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I must agree with Gruber, the updated MLB At-Bat is great because I can now get updates on all games with a quick glance without having to engage with my phone and I think we all know the stated reasons for times when engaging with your phone may not be appropriate or convenient.

You must have been reading my mind because I almost considered starting a thread asking why does the Watch need a so-called "killer app?" And my mind began to think back to 2007. I don't recall a killer app for iPhone. Even when the app store came about a year later, I don't recall any one app the masses generally found they couldn't do without other than as you allude to the phone harnessing the power of the Internet.

Now that I think about it, the way so many people on these forums complained about how the watch is "useless" without a paired phone, couldn't the same thing be said for iphone? How useful would it be if it weren't able to connect to the web in any way (WiFi or cellular)?

One could argue the killer app on the original iPhone was Safari. The killer "app" for the watch might be Siri.
 
I mean, Duh. What can you really do on a watch to make the damned thing worthwhile owning? Now you'll have folks constantly looking at their watch, tapping it, looking closely at it. What odd behaviors this device will bring about, second only to the readers/ texters while walking city streets with the iPhone crowd.
 
Kontrolln for the Nest is another great app for the watch. When it get stuffy I always want to turn on the fan, and I can do it from my watch now.

oddly, the apple watch name for it is nestapp on the watch and in the watch app, which is probably a bug.
 
I feel like when ever someone talks about what the watch can do, they need to always (yes, ALWAYS) put it in the context of why it's better to do it on the watch instead of the phone. Both devices are mobile. Both devices use apps. One screen is small on your wrist, the other is about 4-6 times larger in your pocket. Your pocket is about 10 inches from your watch.

So instead of saying "with the Apple Watch, you can use a calculator" you should say "using a calculator app on the watch is better than the one on your phone because...".

Right. There are really very, very few reasons doing an "app" on the wrist is better than the phone.

It's the same debate about a "real" computer being better than a smartphone for doing nearly everything. The difference is the smartphone is always in your pocket while your laptop or desktop is not and that makes it worth the tradeoff. Now with a watch you don't have to dig in your pocket for your phone for everything. It's another level of convenience but likewise comes with its own tradeoffs. I don't think anyone would argue that significantly smaller screens are ever going to be as good as larger ones for most things.
 
One could argue the killer app on the original iPhone was Safari. The killer "app" for the watch might be Siri.

That I don't agree with. Safari was OK, but I had decent mobile browser experiences before iPhone and Safari.

I think you were spot on with the Internet in general though. When I think about the things I do with my phone - for instance, back in '09 my finances were tight so I couldn't get my iBook repaired (my MacBook had been stolen), but with access to google docs and Office compatible files I was able to work on papers as well as submit collaborative work that could be accessed later through my university's computers. My iPhone 3G became my de facto computer.
 
Workflow is one of my favorite iPhone apps... and I was pumped when I saw it has Apple Watch support. Being able to tap my watch screen and do some pretty complex tasks without even reaching into my pocket was pretty attractive. Unfortunately, I've found the watch app to be terrible.

First of all, the app will sometimes cause the entire watch to crash and restart (which is not unique to Workflow, but needs to be corrected asap).

Secondly, it's so miserably slow that it is considerably faster to pull my phone out of my pocket, unlock it, open the Workflow app, and hit the button I'm trying to access. I have no idea why it is so slow... but I'm not exaggerating. I tested it this morning, and it is literally much faster to get my phone out.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, some of the most useful workflows I use get halfway through the process, and then tell me to "handoff to the iPhone". Why would I start something on my watch that I'm going to have to pick up halfway through on my phone? It completely defeats the purpose.

I'm hoping these issues get worked out as developers have more "hands-on" time with the watch. But right now, I find Workflow to be virtually unusable.
 
It's the same debate about a "real" computer being better than a smartphone for doing nearly everything. The difference is the smartphone is always in your pocket while your laptop or desktop is not and that makes it worth the tradeoff. Now with a watch you don't have to dig in your pocket for your phone for everything. It's another level of convenience but likewise comes with its own tradeoffs. I don't think anyone would argue that significantly smaller screens are ever going to be as good as larger ones for most things.

Amen to that.
 
Is the general consensus that this thing is not a must have device? Also, if you feel that way, is there something in particular that WOULD make it a must have device? Just curious, as a still interested but yet to take the plunge outsider.
There really isn't any consensus one way or another. It's simply whatever it is to you as an individual based on your life, your needs, your wants, etc.

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Having had the Pebble since inception (original Kickstarter plastic, then Steel), the "must have" feature is not having to pull your phone out for every text, email, phone call...you can screen your notifications from your wrist. The busier you are, the more valuable this capability becomes. Once you get used to having these simple things on your wrist, at a glance, there's no going back, IMO. But Pebble can't get the software right. So while their hardware has some good features, the experience lacks an integrated "package" of software/hardware that I'm expecting Apple can deliver.

Looking forward to what Apple's Glances can bring to the table with respect to applications...I'm a heavy OmniFocus and Evernote user (productivity apps if you're not familiar with them), so expect useful capabilities there too. But the "must have" feature is the ability to leave your phone in your pocket unless needed.
Yup, that is ultimately the main thing that it comes down to.
 
I feel like when ever someone talks about what the watch can do, they need to always (yes, ALWAYS) put it in the context of why it's better to do it on the watch instead of the phone. Both devices are mobile. Both devices use apps. One screen is small on your wrist, the other is about 4-6 times larger in your pocket. Your pocket is about 10 inches from your watch.

So instead of saying "with the Apple Watch, you can use a calculator" you should say "using a calculator app on the watch is better than the one on your phone because...".

Right. There are really very, very few reasons doing an "app" on the wrist is better than the phone.

Using a calculator app on your watch is better than the one on my phone because I don't have to pull my phone out of my pocket at the dinner table.

Getting my heart rate on my watch is better than on my phone because my phone can't tell me my heart rate.

Having my next calendar appointment appear on my watch face is better than in the notification center on my phone because I can lift my wrist up and glance down to look at it instead of reaching into my pocket, hitting the home button to turn on the phone, swiping down from the top then glancing at the next calendar appointment on the screen.

I can go on...
 
Using a calculator app on your watch is better than the one on my phone because I don't have to pull my phone out of my pocket at the dinner table.

Getting my heart rate on my watch is better than on my phone because my phone can't tell me my heart rate.

Having my next calendar appointment appear on my watch face is better than in the notification center on my phone because I can lift my wrist up and glance down to look at it instead of reaching into my pocket, hitting the home button to turn on the phone, swiping down from the top then glancing at the next calendar appointment on the screen.

I can go on...
And that's assuming you even heard the alert and/or felt the vibration for it and didn't just completely miss it when the phone was in your pocket or lying on the table or something like that.

As for heart rate, while it's definitely much more convenient with something like a phone, just thought I'd point out there are apps on the phone that will measure your heart rate as well (using the camera and the flash light).
 
apple or the dev. still need to optimize the app load time better…
all this technology and i still see the spinning loading icon?! :rolleyes:
 
Yes, I definitely have enjoyed some of that convenience. However, outside of notifications, I always wonder if I should have just pulled my phone out for doing anything more significant.

Occasionally when shopping I will use my watch for a shopping list (Google Keep) which is handier. The Turn-by-Turn directions are nice on my wrist.

But as you said - not really "must haves". I feel awkward talking to my wrist as well, just to give it voice commands. I always feel self conscious about that. We'll see :)

I don't think we're ever gong to see a "killer" app for smart watches that make them a must-have/use device.
I'm really enjoying the convenience of not having to pull out my phone constantly to check calendars/notifications/texts and even the occasional call. Wife and I have incredibly busy and complex schedules. I'm also very forgetful so the little reminders help me a lot.

Down the road wearable tech is going to transform into much more - I don't know what, that will make it more needed. It won't just be a smart watch.

No matter what, though, don't know how or when people will ever get over talking to their wrist AND having both sides of a conversation public. Maybe a resurgence of the little bluetooth earpieces?

It's a cool piece of tech, but no, not a must-have.

At the risk of repeating myself, I had a Newton and a MessagePad 2000. Loved them and used them to death, but look where they went. But, I think of them as the distant ancestors to the now ubiquitous tablets.


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One could argue the killer app on the original iPhone was Safari. The killer "app" for the watch might be Siri.

I agree. Safari in my pocket was HUGE. So was having Google Maps. I cannot tell you how many of my friends were intrigued by the iPhone because of that.

Also - it meant that your iPod was always with you. The iPod was often "optional" for folks. But now since it was in your phone, it was always around.

The Apple Watch has nothing like these. In fact, it is the opposite of the iPod/iPhone integration we see above. This has nothing to do with the Apple Watch either. I can generalize that to the entire SmartWatch category. I find the same things about my Google Wear device.
 
Funny, instead of a calculator I just use Siri for math now. When she works, she works pretty well.

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apple or the dev. still need to optimize the app load time better…
all this technology and i still see the spinning loading icon?! :rolleyes:

Yeah, those loads suck. I wonder what's happening when that spinner is going...BLE communication?
 
I feel like when ever someone talks about what the watch can do, they need to always (yes, ALWAYS) put it in the context of why it's better to do it on the watch instead of the phone. Both devices are mobile. Both devices use apps. One screen is small on your wrist, the other is about 4-6 times larger in your pocket. Your pocket is about 10 inches from your watch.

So instead of saying "with the Apple Watch, you can use a calculator" you should say "using a calculator app on the watch is better than the one on your phone because...".

Right. There are really very, very few reasons doing an "app" on the wrist is better than the phone.

Just an (somewhat) opposing view:
1. For a lot of apps (that I haven't seen, since I don't have my watch, yet), it does make sense to use the phone, but where I work, if you want to use your phone, you have to stop, and when things on campus can be over a mile away, sometimes just getting the info you need by looking at your wrist is more convenient.
2. Reading e-mail - I'll take the phone
3. Reading web pages - I'll take the phone
4. Reading books - I'll take the hardback
5. Checking the time - I'll take the watch
6. Seeing who is calling - I'll take the watch, then use the bluetooth headset to answer the call (handsfree, we don't have to stop walking)
7. Stock quotes - I'll take the watch
8. Weather - I'll just look out the window
9. To-Do List - Phone, or computer...
10. Heart/pedometer - Watch

I guess the point is that we may be agreeing, but from two different angles. Maybe it's just to use the best tool for the job...
 
They would have a lot more apps on the watch store if they would hire some fing reviewers. I have an app update to add watch functionality that's been waiting 16 days to go into review. Over half a month apple really? Wtf you have how many billions in cash so hire some reviewers.
 
Looking forward to what Apple's Glances can bring to the table with respect to applications...I'm a heavy OmniFocus and Evernote user (productivity apps if you're not familiar with them), so expect useful capabilities there too. But the "must have" feature is the ability to leave your phone in your pocket unless needed.

OmniFocus has a great watch app, very well designed. I use it all the time, to decide what to do next, check off tasks, and add new ones as I think of them. I use Evernote a lot on my iPad and Mac but have been less impressed with their watch app so far.
 
A couple that I like are:

Insteon: this one is great if you have Insteon connected light switches/devices in your home. I can turn on/off lights, dim them, turn on/off "scenes", control my Nest Thermostat (though I'm interested in a native app from Nest) and even open my garage door all from the watch, and it is nicely designed.

Transit Stop: this is great if it is available in your city for public transit. I live in Chicago, so I use it on my way out the door every morning to make sure I don't have to wait for the bus.

I may post others as I start using them/ as more become available.
 
Just an (somewhat) opposing view:
1. For a lot of apps (that I haven't seen, since I don't have my watch, yet), it does make sense to use the phone, but where I work, if you want to use your phone, you have to stop, and when things on campus can be over a mile away, sometimes just getting the info you need by looking at your wrist is more convenient.
2. Reading e-mail - I'll take the phone
3. Reading web pages - I'll take the phone
4. Reading books - I'll take the hardback
5. Checking the time - I'll take the watch
6. Seeing who is calling - I'll take the watch, then use the bluetooth headset to answer the call (handsfree, we don't have to stop walking)
7. Stock quotes - I'll take the watch
8. Weather - I'll just look out the window
9. To-Do List - Phone, or computer...
10. Heart/pedometer - Watch

I guess the point is that we may be agreeing, but from two different angles. Maybe it's just to use the best tool for the job...

no mention of dictate texting? i find that to be the most useful, especially while driving. i'm quite surprise on how well it work, 8/10
 
I mean, Duh. What can you really do on a watch to make the damned thing worthwhile owning? Now you'll have folks constantly looking at their watch, tapping it, looking closely at it. What odd behaviors this device will bring about, second only to the readers/ texters while walking city streets with the iPhone crowd.

youre thinking about it wrong.

the best uses for the AW (or wearables) wont be dicking around w/ apps on them. it will be what they *do* for you. im a developer and i sit around all day in an office. now my watch is tracking my activity and reminding me to get my ass up every hour. this is useful. likewise w/ the move and exercise goals, which utilize game theory to make them more engaging for me. likewise with pushing only notifications i care about to me, displayed immediately on my wrist and invisible to all others. in the future it will also mean opening doors, cars, etc.

wearables *do*.
 
Is the general consensus that this thing is not a must have device? Also, if you feel that way, is there something in particular that WOULD make it a must have device? Just curious, as a still interested but yet to take the plunge outsider.

I am absolutely loving my Apple Watch, but I'm not sure I would call it a "must have". That said, I would really miss it if I didn't have it.
I didn't have high expectations of gaming or super complex tasks on my wrist. I like watches already and was thrilled at the idea of having one that did so much more than just tell time.
I really enjoy the fitness tracking capabilities and I love not pulling out my phone for every little thing.

I really do feel like I'm becoming more productive - and that surprised me. I find myself checking the phone a lot less unless I absolutely "need" to. The watch is very much in the background, doing its thing, yet feels increasingly indispensable.

Getting back to what you asked ... It's hard to put it into words. To me, there is nothing that really screams, "OMG, where has this been all my life?!"; however, the longer I have it, the more I would not want to part with it.
 
Downloaded CalcBot the first day I got my watch...it has been very useful, glad they put this app out!

The first developer to do this was destined to make a lot of money, whether they charged for it or not.

I have never understood why Apple chose not to offer their calculator app for the iPad when it launched, and not the Watch.

Makes no sense to me.
 
These gadgets are just making the humankind dumber and dumber.

Look at the the pathetic apps that lists stuff to do: cut hair, call mom, go to store, clean up garage, etc.

Why can't you use your brain to calculate the tip? Work that brain muscle more. I mean I can see how the iPhone has greatly enhanced life in the perspective of being able to go everywhere using GPS/navi apps, calling people seeing how their are doing via FaceTime, sending messages with videos and voice, all sorts of life enhancing product apps.

Now you just have these answers to no problems to begin with - the apple watch is just superfluous. It's almost as if people are trying so hard to come up with an app that makes the watch useful.
 
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