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Also Apple have been very conservative with the battery life figures (which I give them a lot of credit for). I could get two days out of my 42mm, but charging it overnight is so easy I can't imagine why I wouldn't do it anyway.

Completely support and agree with this.
My daily watch wearing is 14 -15 hours.
When I put it on the charger, it typically still has a 70%+ charge. Same here, 42mm.
 
It's not meant to solve a problem, but to extend the usefulness of your phone. If you can't see the obvious convenience of what it does, you're just being obstinate. So many people have explained it to people like you, but as the saying goes, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you".

Not essential, but very, very useful.

At this point it seems not essential and not especially useful....especially these 5 items are the 'most useful' things that can be drummed up besides notifications, weather and a second rate fitness tracker.
 
How come those links to go a different website rather than the iTunes store?

We like to promote our MacRumors sister website AppShopper where possible.

What are the odds you would be willing to share a copy of the bezel you added...or point me in a direction where I could find them?

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How can they call a watch with less than a day battery life revolutionary?

I really fail to see the problem. The watch charges from 0 to 80% in less than 1h30. And you don't have to charge it in one go. Even if you want to sleep with the watch on your wrist (why ???), you can charge it a bit while you're in the shower, a bit at the office and that should be enough to go through days to days. Besides, it's healthier for the battery.
 
Also Apple have been very conservative with the battery life figures.

All the figures Apple gives are for the 38mm. Since all the watches have the same internals, the extra 16 mm^2 on the 42mm are mostly extra battery (and screen). So the 42mm will last significantly longer than the 38mm...
And I really don't see the point of the 38mm when even the 42mm is on the small side. Just look at the mechanical watch people, including women, wear nowadays. They're all huge, the 42mm watch is tiny in comparison...
 
At this point it seems not essential and not especially useful....especially these 5 items are the 'most useful' things that can be drummed up besides notifications, weather and a second rate fitness tracker.

These are "suggestions" MR has come up with to fill space. Only the first one can I see being very useful (to some). The others are just pppffft. Who wants to pick at a small calculator on a watch-notice the function is not even on the same face as the numbers-like that's convenient.

Regardless, very, very useful, even with just the apps it comes with. It's different for everyone. Some reviewer is going on an on about his "most important and usefull app", it's some MLB app. This app means nothing to me, but for him it's essential.
My calendar is busier and more complicated than Chinese math. So useful to check upcoming events and get alerts and just glance at them on the wrist.
I'm not surgically attached to my phone. Never miss important messages and calls.

You don't find it essential to you, and that's fine. How about suggesting what would make it useful to you. Get your needs known. Push the app developers and Apple to new offerings.
 
All the figures Apple gives are for the 38mm. Since all the watches have the same internals, the extra 16 mm^2 on the 42mm are mostly extra battery (and screen). So the 42mm will last significantly longer than the 38mm...
And I really don't see the point of the 38mm when even the 42mm is on the small side. Just look at the mechanical watch people, including women, wear nowadays. They're all huge, the 42mm watch is tiny in comparison...

I had a 38mm and would have >50% charge left at the end of the day.

The 42mm fits my wrists fine, but the 38mm looked better to me. I know plenty of people with tiny wrists for whom the 42mm would be a terrible fit, plus a good fit is required for the heart rate monitor to work correctly.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, but in the UK I don't routinely see women wearing large mechanical watches.
 
For me, wearing a watch is purely a fashion thing, and time telling is just a bonus. From that standpoint, I'd have no issues buying an Apple watch as I own 12 other watches already. BUT, will the thing last and be functional beyond 3 years? Even my cheaper watches (I have several fossil) have lasted 10+ years

I'm still using my Iphone 3GS (7 years old in June), so why not?
I also find this "questioning" kind of absurd considering how durable Apple are usually.
It will at least do what it does now seems a given.

Will you get software upgrades for 10 years.
No you will not.
Just like someone is not opening your fossil to upgrade it 10 years later.

And even if it "only" lasted 10 years.
If you haven't already sold it by then.

That's $35-$55 dollars a year for a computer on your wrist that ALSO has an esthetic value. Something you, or someone else (if you passed it on) used to death for 10 years! I spend 3 times that on coffee per month!

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I have to agree with you, and even though it's faster toniest swipe up on my phone and get a bigger calculator. The fitness features, time and weather at the turn of your wrist is the only useful stuff on the watch. Some people will justify how it has replace their phone and maybe it has but let's be serious it requires your phone to function past the basic and the apps are all laughable. Just a bunch of water down tap and hold apps.

It's a $400+ waste of money, I don't see a killer app happening any time soon. It would require a supporting killer iPhone app too.

Right... And when it sells 30-35M next year, you will off course laugh at those that are buying those "useless" watches and feel superior about not owning one... Just like now.

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I think the Apple watch is still a gimmick, and more of a toy than a tool. I used to feel the same way about the iPad, though. My opinion changed as the iPad became a more mature product (a few months after the iPad 2 was released was about when I accepted it as a 'useful buy'). I have an iPad 3, and for me, it's still more of a toy/media tool than it is a tool for productivity... but I don't look at it like it's fluff, even though there was a time that I did.

With that all said, as things currently stand, I think the Apple watch is fluff. There's not enough battery life, and 99% of the apps I have seen just don't make sense. When I'm wearing a regular mechanical watch, I tend to pull my phone out to check the time instead of tilting my wrist to look at the time. If my phone contends for convenience at that level, how could these miniaturized apps for the watch contend with their full-sized counterparts on my phone? I think it will take more than just one iteration of the Apple watch to cycle through before the tech becomes more than just fluff. Right now, I would prefer something along the lines of a Fitbit over an Apple watch: It would wake me up when I want, track my sleep, have a pedometer, check time, etc... all I want, all I need out of a watch, better battery life, and straight to the point.

Something that would amaze me (and immediately make me want to buy one of these watches)... which just isn't possible right now... is if you could fit a significant amount of storage onto the watch (1TB or more), and essentially use it as a wireless (fast) USB drive. Just not really feasible right now. I'm sure there's some other great things the watch will do one day. However, one last thing that would impress me is if the thing didn't need to be charged every single day.

Most people finish the day at 30-50%, so how is battery life insufficient.
Reviews on battery life have been uniformly quite positive. You sound like you're reading off some old cue cards that haven't been updated.
 
Agree on this. The "killer App" will be different for everyone based on their need.

Absolutely agree. This watch is about presenting to you in a faster and more convenient way information that is important to you. But what is important to one person is very different to another. What will make this a widely used product is when app developers have produced more and more ways to view more and more cuts of more and more information, meaning that more and more people can find a good reason to own the watch.

In terms of what I want to see on my wrist I think I am probably 50% there in terms of current ecosystem. I can see the remaining 50% taking four to five years before it is there.

The same goes for "doing" stuff on the watch. There are somethings I want to do on the watch: am probably 20% there in terms of current ecosystem on that one.
 
It's amazing and mostly Apple's fault that people often don't "get" the Apple Watch...

They emphasized it as a sort of app platform, because currently there aren't (yet) enough integrated systems to utilize it ... the one use (unlocking doors at Starwood hotels) is the best example of how they will lend value beyond the glances, notifications and mini-apps.

It's key thing first is... it's a watch to tell time. Secondly, but potentially far more useful depending on your lifestyle/work, is the ability to triage notifications and alerts without having to have your phone out or necessarily even on you if you are in range of it. This is far handier than people who don't get a lot of emails or need to be aware of things think, but for those of us who do the Apple Watch is very handy indeed.

As others have pointed out, this is the first step into integration into the Internet of Things... it will look rather old school to be whipping out your phone every time you turn around, rather using a wearable of which something your hand/wrist is the most natural will be the norm.

It's right there, it's right then, and it actually saves you time (how ironic in a device primarily designed for telling how much time has passed)?

I'll say it again, you might not see the distinct need for one today, but in a few short years they will be every bit as necessary as your phone.
 
No *****. That's exactly what I was thinking..."Quit showing me all the amazing and wonderful things I could be doing with the WATCH I DON'T YET HAVE!".

How about a useful story on what's being done to address the backlog of missing 42mm SS w/ SSLB watches? How about a nice graph or something that summarizes all of the reports of who ordered their watch when and whether or not they've gotten theirs? Lord knows there's enough data in the Forums for one of the MacRumors interns to build a us a pretty graph.

Dual test with Graphs: Profit Customer Pain:

How about a graph showing how the faster path to high profits for the watch achived by not adding third shifts, overtime (if that is available in Apple sweatshops) etc. Combined with what I am sure must be a new Apple metric to explore. A human Pain - Anxiety (Joe got his before me) study on how much anger and abuse people paying $600+ for stainless steel watch bands (I know they're worth it) and all the other band / watch combos that have been micro researched before people break and - gasp - cancel orders!

Seems millions have indeed ordered these things. A quick recoup of R&D costs will go a long way with investors once they can get down to real cost for the real money maker - The $1,000 version with SS band.

If they start applying this info to computers I'm out - can't afford a standard jewelry markup scheme applied to Faux "Luxury" computers.
 
These are "suggestions" MR has come up with to fill space. Only the first one can I see being very useful (to some). The others are just pppffft.

How are the todo managers not useful ? I use todos everyday, dozens of times a day, it's just part of my workflow whether it's professional or personal. I won't be using the two MR presented since I'm partial to wunderlist, but having your todos on your wrist is a huge help.

But there are a lot of much more useful apps on the watch not shown there. For instance, CityMapper makes a lot more sense on a watch rather than on a phone, and for people relying mostly on public transports it is a great help...

Likewise, an application like Hours makes more sense on a watch than on a phone, and it is a great help for people who try to keep track of the time they spend on various projects.
 
I'll say it again, you might not see the distinct need for one today, but in a few short years they will be every bit as necessary as your phone.

Or it won't and there might be some other wearable that makes more sense. Too soon to tell.
 
To me it seems like people are coming at the purpose of the watch from the completely wrong perspective. The watch, in my view, shouldn't be a primary window through which you view most apps. Ideally, the watch is just an accessory that you can use to glance/act on notifications and do a few low level tasks that can be done quickly on the watch without pulling out the phone (for example, calling for an Uber). The third party apps should play very little into the calculation of whether you get one, because the apps really shouldn't be something you're fiddling with a lot.

From there you have to decide if the cost of the device is ok for you in terms of what you're getting. Many people spend far more than then cost of the Watch and Watch Sport on time pieces that do far less than Apple's product. Does that mean everyone should buy one? No. If you're not really someone who wears a watch then I don't really see why, as things currently sit, you'd buy an Apple Watch.
 
To me it seems like people are coming at the purpose of the watch from the completely wrong perspective. The watch, in my view, shouldn't be a primary window through which you view most apps. Ideally, the watch is just an accessory that you can use to glance/act on notifications and do a few low level tasks that can be done quickly on the watch without pulling out the phone (for example, calling for an Uber). The third party apps should play very little into the calculation of whether you get one, because the apps really shouldn't be something you're fiddling with a lot.

From there you have to decide if the cost of the device is ok for you in terms of what you're getting. Many people spend far more than then cost of the Watch and Watch Sport on time pieces that do far less than Apple's product. Does that mean everyone should buy one? No. If you're not really someone who wears a watch then I don't really see why, as things currently sit, you'd buy an Apple Watch.

I agree - although it seems that Apple is conflicted. My perception. Is it for quick glances? If so - then why the push for developers and huge app development. To claim they have x number of apps in their app store? Who cares? The real utility is in the core apps. Just because you have an app in the app store doesn't mean you HAVE to make (or need it to be) it have a Watch component.

Less is more.
 
I laugh about this as I think about the Casio TC-600 I had in HS back in the 80s...

But yeah, this is revolutionary....

My math skills are going to go downhill even more. In highschool my teachers said "Well you won't always have a scientific calculator on you at all times." Turned out they were right—I just have a tiny, always connected computer on me at all times that can quite easily query most of the accumulated knowledge of the human race. Bummer!
 
How can they call a watch with less than a day battery life revolutionary? I simply do not get the appeal. The Apple Watch to me just seems like a colossal waste of money, solving an apparent problem that doesn't even exist.

That less than a day battery life is really not happening from my personally experience, I've been really shocked at how well the watch has held up, I get up around 7:00 a.m. each day and by 10:30 p.m. I still have anywhere between 58% to 78% depending on my daily usage, and I am using the heck out of the watch. I was expecting much worse. So the watch is easily holding its own on battery life. And if that watch was a colossal waste of money, I've sure been using it for a ton of stuff and I'm happy to have "Wasted My Money"

:rolleyes:
 
This watch is about presenting to you in a faster and more convenient way information that is important to you. But what is important to one person is very different to another.

Exactly. And I find it to be a very useful and valuable thing in my life.

As for the current offering of watch apps having low utility, here's where the watch is entirely different kind of device than my phone or iPad. I don't want or need a whole bunch of apps on my watch, and I'm not constantly browsing for something that might be useful. I just want a few that deal with the things that are important to me, and I've got those. I could list what they are, but why? It's going to be different for each person. That's kind of the point of a highly personal device.

I love my iPhone 6+. I also love being able to leave it on my desk or on the counter at home while I'm doing stuff, and still have access to the most important functions via my watch.

So it is most definitely not a useless piece of crap/waste of money for me.
 
I'm still using my Iphone 3GS (7 years old in June), so why not?
I also find this "questioning" kind of absurd considering how durable Apple are usually.
It will at least do what it does now seems a given.

Will you get software upgrades for 10 years.
No you will not.
Just like someone is not opening your fossil to upgrade it 10 years later.

And even if it "only" lasted 10 years.
If you haven't already sold it by then.

That's $35-$55 dollars a year for a computer on your wrist that ALSO has an esthetic value. Something you, or someone else (if you passed it on) used to death for 10 years! I spend 3 times that on coffee per month!

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Right... And when it sells 30-35M next year, you will off course laugh at those that are buying those "useless" watches and feel superior about not owning one... Just like now.

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Most people finish the day at 30-50%, so how is battery life insufficient.
Reviews on battery life have been uniformly quite positive. You sound like you're reading off some old cue cards that haven't been updated.

has zero to do with sales... Apple can sell 100mil watches it won't change the fact that there probably will never be a killer app and that the watch servers no real purpose outside of fitness and being the trendy "it" gadget of the moment for Apple fans. I own one, apps are subpar and outside of fitness its just a watch with notifications. Do I regret my purchase no, would I recommend it to someone who doesn't have the money to spare... nope. It's cool but it is what it is.
 
Downloaded CalcBot the first day I got my watch...it has been very useful, glad they put this app out!

The calculator in my watch in 1984 didn't make me switch to another screen for the operator buttons. And The whole watch was about $10 including the watch app.

After 30 years, what innovation. The UI is worse, I need a separate huge device in my pocket, and the price went up to $300. But at least now you don't look a total dweeb wearing one. Yeah right.
 
Having had the Pebble since inception (original Kickstarter plastic, then Steel), the "must have" feature is not having to pull your phone out for every text, email, phone call...you can screen your notifications from your wrist. The busier you are, the more valuable this capability becomes. Once you get used to having these simple things on your wrist, at a glance, there's no going back, IMO.

It's amazing to me that I don't see this more frequently being offered as THE reason wearables are here to stay.

The Apple Watch is my first smartwatch, and from my experiences with it, I knew from day one I wouldn't be going back to traditional watches. I'm able to more efficiently digest the hundreds of notifications I get each day, which ultimately results in me getting to spend less time glued to my phone (and, funny enough, less time staring at ANY screen overall).
 
Since all the watches have the same internals, the extra 16 mm^2 on the 42mm are mostly extra battery (and screen). So the 42mm will last significantly longer than the 38mm...

Damn, where did you learn math? That was just sad and pathetic.

The area difference between the 38 and 42mm apple watches is 222.42mm^2.
 
How are the todo managers not useful ? I use todos everyday, dozens of times a day, it's just part of my workflow whether it's professional or personal. I won't be using the two MR presented since I'm partial to wunderlist, but having your todos on your wrist is a huge help.

But there are a lot of much more useful apps on the watch not shown there. For instance, CityMapper makes a lot more sense on a watch rather than on a phone, and for people relying mostly on public transports it is a great help...

Likewise, an application like Hours makes more sense on a watch than on a phone, and it is a great help for people who try to keep track of the time they spend on various projects.

Yes, I should have said "ppfffttzzzz" for me, as clarification. I've said it many times, the "it" app(s) will be different for each user.

I also use Wunderlist. on phone/watch.
 
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