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Sure, pay extra €300 if you value all these things. However people buying 16e mainly care about lower price and good battery life.

As for the newer chip, read post #19.
I see it like this:
You can pay half the price for half a phone or full price for a complete phone.
Buying the most affordable because it’s the most affordable isn’t the same as buying the best value.
An iPhone 14 is pretty cheap right now, but I would advice anyone waste their money on it.
 
A newer chip with like her support and more RAM, double the starting storage, brighter screen with ProMotion, dual camera system, Dynamic Island, always on display,… for just a couple hundred more you get double the phone.
17 and 16e both have 8gb of RAM. Just to clarify that one point.

Some features don't matter to some people, so it's very much a personal choice. At the end of the day, the 17 is 33% more expensive than the 16e (sometimes more, depending on where you get the 16e). It's up to each person to decide if those extra features are worth that extra 33% or not. Some people don't even notice ProMotion, for example.
 
More like €300 here... so not really worth it for the differences you mentioned. As for the A19 chip, the 16e came out before it was available… and the next 17e will also get it.

No offence, but that's a "where you live problem" rather than Apple's.

In most major markets, the difference is only US$200 or equivalent. Apple charges US$100 for the bump from 128GB to 256GB for iPhone 16e. So, many people see the upgrade to iPhone 17 as only US$100.
 
No offence, but that's a "where you live problem" rather than Apple's.

In most major markets, the difference is only US$200 or equivalent. Apple charges US$100 for the bump from 128GB to 256GB for iPhone 16e. So, many people see the upgrade to iPhone 17 as only US$100.
And in Australia, it’s a $400 difference. Apple sell the 16e for $999, and the 17 for $1399. Not everyone gets dirt cheap American pricing.

For the record, the Air is $1799, Pro $1999, and Pro Max $2199.
 
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And in Australia, it’s a $400 difference. Apple sell the 16e for $999, and the 17 for $1399. Not everyone gets dirt cheap American pricing.

For the record, the Air is $1799, Pro $1999, and Pro Max $2199.

Another “look at where you live” situation.

Your Australian prices include taxes. Your government charges 10%. If we remove tax, the difference is US$235, which is far from the $400 you described.

If you prefer no to pay taxes, fly to Hong Kong and get your iPhone there.
 
Another “look at where you live” situation.

Your Australian prices include taxes. Your government charges 10%. If we remove tax, the difference is US$235, which is far from the $400 you described.

If you prefer no to pay taxes, fly to Hong Kong and get your iPhone there.
I’d rather live in a society that tries to look after its population, so I won’t be trying to dodge my taxes by buying a $750 return ticket to Hong Kong to save $200

But I’m only adding another data point. Everyone’s value calculation is different even before taking local pricing into account!
 
I’d rather live in a society that tries to look after its population, so I won’t be trying to dodge my taxes by buying a $750 return ticket to Hong Kong to save $200

But I’m only adding another data point. Everyone’s value calculation is different even before taking local pricing into account!

Sure, but it's important to provide the right data. A lot of the EU posters complain about high prices, but they shut up when presented with the fact those prices include 20% or more in VAT.

Most customers in the U.S. pay sales tax as well, so it's important to compare apples to apples, which is the pre-tax price.
 
And in Australia, it’s a $400 difference. Apple sell the 16e for $999, and the 17 for $1399. Not everyone gets dirt cheap American pricing.

For the record, the Air is $1799, Pro $1999, and Pro Max $2199.

In addition, you seem to have forgotten that AU dollars are not the same as US dollars.

The AU $999 price for the iPhone 16e converts to approximately US $649.58.
The AU $1399 price for the iPhone 17 converts to approximately US $909.35.

So ~$250 difference, not $400. And those dirt-cheap American prices are not quite as dirt cheap as you allege.
 
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Oh my goodness, I wasn’t trying to start a fight! My post was only meant to be a friendly anecdote from a different perspective.

Sure, but it's important to provide the right data. A lot of the EU posters complain about high prices, but they shut up when presented with the fact those prices include 20% or more in VAT.

Most customers in the U.S. pay sales tax as well, so it's important to compare apples to apples, which is the pre-tax price.
Fair enough. It seems so bizarre to me that shops might list pre-tax prices that I forget that's how it's done in the U.S. My bad. I can't complain about Apple's methods for pricing here, as their prices are usually just the U.S. price converted to Australian dollars, plus the 10% GST. From my observations, they will usually adjust the price when a new model is released.

In addition, you seem to have forgotten that AU dollars are not the same as US dollars.

The AU $999 price for the iPhone 16e converts to approximately US $649.58.
The AU $1399 price for the iPhone 17 converts to approximately US $909.35.

So ~$250 difference, not $400. And those dirt-cheap American prices are not quite as dirt cheap as you allege.
Wow, I must be such an idiot! How stupid of me for not realising that Australia and the U.S. are different!

Anyone who watches or listens to the news here knows the exchange rate. Today, an Australian dollar buys 65 cents US, which is about normal. Back, I don't know, 15-20 years ago or something, the AU$ would buy US$1.10, but that didn't last. Our exporters hated it!

Overall, purchasing power is fairly similar between Australia and the U.S. There is less of a wealth gap here, with poorer Australians being better off than their equivalent in the U.S., and I think the middle class might be a larger percentage of the population here, so in relative terms, the prices are actually broadly equivalent. Upgrading a phone is still a considerable cost, with Pro Max prices getting perilously close to second-hand car prices!

So maybe Apple behaves better internationally than other companies do, but it's common knowledge that buying things here will often cost a lot more than buying the same thing elsewhere.
 
17 and 16e both have 8gb of RAM. Just to clarify that one point.

Some features don't matter to some people, so it's very much a personal choice. At the end of the day, the 17 is 33% more expensive than the 16e (sometimes more, depending on where you get the 16e). It's up to each person to decide if those extra features are worth that extra 33% or not. Some people don't even notice ProMotion, for example.
Can’t disagree with any of that.
I just think spending money on the 16e is a waste of it.
 
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My brother just upgraded from an XR to the 17. Very nice phone. I still prefer a Pro Max due to the cameras and the larger screen, but the 17 is one of the best upgrades for people on older phones in years.
 
Maybe I’m a crotchety old sod but I just don’t get why phone speakers would be a selling point at all. The iPhone Air sounds worse than other models but they were already crap to start with. If I’m watching a video outside my house I’ll probably have AirPods in; if I’m at home I have a TV. I have a couple of Homepod Mini’s for music at home and any sensible shower not involving a romantic partner doesn’t even last the length of a rock song. If you put better speakers in these things it just encourages more people to initial a private public conversation on their phone that make it look like they’re eating a slice of toast.
i think i may just be a crotchety old sod too.

well said on all points!

i also -really- dont get why people use the phone in the way you describe either. how in hell is it that common!! put the dang thing up to your face like it's intended to be used and youll most certainly have a better time hearing and being heard on the call!! i dont get it.
 
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Maybe I’m a crotchety old sod but I just don’t get why phone speakers would be a selling point at all. The iPhone Air sounds worse than other models but they were already crap to start with. If I’m watching a video outside my house I’ll probably have AirPods in; if I’m at home I have a TV. I have a couple of Homepod Mini’s for music at home and any sensible shower not involving a romantic partner doesn’t even last the length of a rock song. If you put better speakers in these things it just encourages more people to initial a private public conversation on their phone that make it look like they’re eating a slice of toast.

The answer is so simple: convenience.

Same reason why wireless charging exists. People don't want to carry a charging cable. People don't want to carry and pull out AirPods.
 
No offence, but that's a "where you live problem" rather than Apple's.

In most major markets, the difference is only US$200 or equivalent. Apple charges US$100 for the bump from 128GB to 256GB for iPhone 16e. So, many people see the upgrade to iPhone 17 as only US$100.

You mean $200 before tax… so in reality the difference is bigger than the price shown on their site.

The 16e does everything I need, so why would I spend more money on a product with features I don't need?
 
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The answer is so simple: convenience.

Same reason why wireless charging exists. People don't want to carry a charging cable. People don't want to carry and pull out AirPods.
I guess this is why we can't have nice things :(
 
i think i may just be a crotchety old sod too.

well said on all points!

i also -really- dont get why people use the phone in the way you describe either. how in hell is it that common!! put the dang thing up to your face like it's intended to be used and youll most certainly have a better time hearing and being heard on the call!! i dont get it.
Worse still are the people who do it with Airpods or headphones in, unaware that holding their phone to their mouths is doing nothing!
 
Nope. For some reason Apple moved the bottom speaker to the left side. And it sounds noticeably worse imo, on top of being much easier to block in regular use.
Regular use for me is holding it in my right hand with my pinky giving some support, so it would block the right speaker placement. I guess if you are left-handed or just prefer using your non-dominant hand then the base 17 is better placement.
 
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