The other thread i was following was getting ridiculously long, so here goes. Tons of people rag on the AppleTV because I think they miss the biggest points in my opinion. Sure, i can see why you want DVR functionality, etc. But thats not the point. Just follow me for a second here. Everyone agrees that an iPod is a million times nicer than a CD discman with a huge carrying case of CDs. Its so nice in fact, that the iPod has become a household name. Now shift for a second from the portable devices and lets go back to where a lot of other music listening goes on: my living room (and the rest of the house). The AppleTV + iTunes has replaced my 300 disc CD changer on my stereo and AV system. No more sifting through CDs and burning new discs of content that I download. I just scroll the the list right there on my TV and choose what I want (all in HD, with album art intact). It finally brings all the great upsides of iTunes/iPod to my main living room stereo. Lets say that I dont care about online rentals or the iTMS. I'm just a person who listens to music (and judging by the number of iPod owners, thats quite a few of you). If you're into music and you listen to music at home, what's your alternative? An iPod dock sitting on my stereo rack? Then i have to walk up to the thing and spin the dial on a little bitty screen to play music (which is somewhat akward when its sitting on a dock). Or how about Airport Express? Nice, but now i've got to go to my main computer to play music, or keep a Macbook in the living room as a remote. AppleTV is to my living room as my iPod is to my car. All this without even mentioning all the TV shows and movies that i can download online. I know some of you are against pirating and whatnot, but think of it this way: the AppleTV is basically your "ThePirateBay" player right on your TV. For me, i can't understand how I could justify the purchase of an iPod but not the purchase of an AppleTV. Is the portable music market just a million times bigger than the home theatre and stereo system market?