The reason why Apple may never offer quick settings controls
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Abazigal
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To me, apple rationale would be that there is no real need to. iOS is, by its very nature, quite power efficient. I am indifferent to leaving wifi and Bluetooth on 24/7 simply because the impact on battery life is so minimal. Your iPhone defaults back to 2g in sleep mode. The only time I really need airplane mode is if I suddenly lose reception.
If anything, apple should continue to work in making these toggles more intelligent and capable of managing themselves so we don't have to.
If anything, apple should continue to work in making these toggles more intelligent and capable of managing themselves so we don't have to.
BvizioN
macrumors 603
I know perfectly what they are!
I have Cidia tweak of quick settings on my notification screen and also on a bottom of home page! Many times I have wondered why my interntet has stoped working just to find out that by mistake I have pressed the "DATA" OFF.
But I still don't think that's the reason. If Apple want's to implement it, they could find a very simple and easy way to avoid any of the concerns mentioned above.
You don't think it's worth her time to learn something so trivial? Have you asked her? Sorry, I'm an 'older woman' and frankly you may be selling your mother short. First, chances are you only need to show her once. Second, whether you realize it or not, there are times when you may not be around to do it for her. She should learn to do it for herself. If for no other reason than learning new things keeps us young.
Stop sheltering her. Teach her or give her the manual.
As for your reason Apple shouldn't provide quick toggles, well, when one first get an iPhone or iPad it doesn't come with wifi automatically turned on, nor does it come with Bluetooth automatically turned on, etc. Unless the buyer has it set up for them they have to go digging into Setting at least once for the initial setup. Especially for wifi.
I got my first smartphone in 2003. And I've had at least one of every flavor (including WebOS). Frankly the Settings in IOS are the most buried of any OS I've ever used. They are scattered all over the place and not necessarily in the most logical place. Some are in Settings (usually buried) some are in the app ( but not all). For as long as I've been using IOS I still have it hunt for some things that I change rarely.
If Apple doesn't give quick Settings they should at least move the most changed settings to one place and at the top of the menu rather than buried several layers down. THAT'S what confusing. Not what those setting do but how to find them easily if you don't use them frequently.
I hear sales of drawers have increased massively due to people's furniture overflowing with unused Android phones.
I mean, come on, get real.
Adding toggles for bluetooth, GPS, ... to save your battery life is admitting that you have to use them in order to get decent battery life. That you have to "babysit" your iPhone like you would a computer. Apple wants you to use the device without having to care about these things. I do understand and like the idea. (I still don't understand the whole concept of 'Sync' on Android). But it still is nice to have the option to turn off stuff quickly that, in reality, does eat up your battery.
Frankly, I use them often on my S3 but I never really missed them on my iPhone.
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Agreed. This really needs to change in iOS7, either by keeping the settings in the settings menu (and providing a direct link in the app itself) or just by putting them in the app itself. Make it happen, Ive.
Frankly, I use them often on my S3 but I never really missed them on my iPhone.
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Agreed. This really needs to change in iOS7, either by keeping the settings in the settings menu (and providing a direct link in the app itself) or just by putting them in the app itself. Make it happen, Ive.
I think the real reason is security. Anytime you make a way to work features into the lock screen , you open holes for someone to exploit that feature to take advantage of it, and do things to your phone. As it is, the iOS lock screen is more secure than the Android lock screen.
I think if they really cared about people like you claim they would offer optional app like sbs setting in itunes app store (they could even make it free app), those who want it, know it, would use it with no problems and with comfort.
Because it doesn't manage itself very well.
I goto work and I need to choose which wifi network to use or not use.
I go home and I want my Bluetooth to connect to other devices then my phone and I need to turn it on and off.
I want location services to be off at certain times because location data is imbedded in photos and sometimes that location is sensitive.
I goto bed and I need to turn do not disturb on and off because it can't be scheduled for weekends.
Business trip and I'm turning on airplane mode.
So yeah, if it managed itself I'd agree with you. Why Apple doesn't use location based settings like the competition can blows my mind. Why not know when I'm home and turn off my Bluetooth? Or whatever.
No, I am not selling her short, nor am I sheltering her. I teach her the things that matter, group messaging, photo streaming, editing her photos, trimming clips of baby videos so they can be sent via imessage... the list goes on and on. And she's an ace it all.
worrying about LTE being on and off is something I don't even want to have to worry about. Like many others have said on this thread, the phone should manage itself, and I still maintain that worrying about toggles shouldn't be a daily duty of owning a phone. I don't teach it to her because for her there is little to no benefit, nor does she care.
You seem interested and tech savvy in these things, and that's great. I think it's awesome that you've gone ahead and got yourself every version of smartphone.
My parents aren't like that, and they don't want to be. They each had a motorola startac for 10 years before switching to the iphone (and believe it or not, my dad owns a tech accessories business, and he's successful). Trust me, we tried to persuade them to get something newer after having the startac for a few years, but they weren't interested. Nothing provided an experience as easy as the startac. They were not willing to sacrifice usability and intuitive design for a color screen, the ability to take photos, have email on their phones etc. The iPhone brought them even more usability and intuitive design than the motorola, and so they switched, and now they use the devices very well.
Quick toggle settings go against what they want out of their phones, and I understand why.
Thank you for your concern, but no, I am not selling my mother short. In fact, I see the way she stubbornly wants simplicity out of her phone as comparable to Apple's strive for an uninterrupted experience when using their products.
They want the user to get to their photos, communication tools, videos, music, memories, games, etc, all without interruption. My mom wants the same thing. And there's nothing wrong with that.
jabingla2810
macrumors 68020
Now you're thinking!
We agree.
My point wasn't that the settings should completely disappear, it was that "quick settings" are not the answer.
charlituna
macrumors G3
You think Apple won't be happy to educate them when they show up at a store demanding a new phone and this is all that is wrong.
They are. Just like when folks come in that their receiver doesn't work cause they left the plastic on, only one speaker works etc
Parise
macrumors 6502a
I know you Apple diehards won't like this idea one bit... but what if.... Apple gave the user the ability to turn off and on the quick setting menu in the notification bar like it does for EVERY OTHER NOTIFICATION? Ship the product with it turned off, so that these individuals who you claim have no idea what the settings are for won't even know to activate it.
Corollary: Even the least tech savvy people I've ever met who own an iPhone know wtf Airplane mode is for.
Corollary: Even the least tech savvy people I've ever met who own an iPhone know wtf Airplane mode is for.
wknapp0924
macrumors 6502
I change mine all the time, my office has zero service most the time so it zaps my battery, so I turn off my data when I walk in my office, and then when I am out and about i quickly switch my data back on with my JB toggles, I sometimes like it brighter and darker, but that could be fixed if apple allowed F.Lux to be on an unjailbroken device. I use my toggles daily. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't.
Parise
macrumors 6502a
You must not have Sprint as your provider then
Consider yourself lucky. My data connection is so bad that my 4S battery could be 3092843 mAh and still die in 3 hours.
Oh, I know. I just figure most people don't have a big need to be able to quickly changes these settings.
The ideal solution to me would be using geofencing to automatically enable/disable settings.
That'll fix the problem without making the user do any work at all
Good guess ;-) - I'm on VerizonYou must not have Sprint as your provider then
IMO, there are two fronts why Android has these toggles and they seem so functional:
1. Battery management in Android isn't as efficient as it is with iOS, which requires having to give users a switch to contribute with the efficiency
2. Android users are more into tinkering, and this would clearly give them a proof of Android's "openness"
As said before, these toggles and their effectiveness on battery life would be so minimal with iOS. My cousin switches back-and-forth between 3G and EDGE every hour so, which raises the question whether if it's even worth it considering how frequent they toggle it.
Should Apple include some toggles? Definitely! But personally I wouldn't seen use of any toggle beyond the brightness, which can easily be fixed with a volume slider replacement.
1. Battery management in Android isn't as efficient as it is with iOS, which requires having to give users a switch to contribute with the efficiency
2. Android users are more into tinkering, and this would clearly give them a proof of Android's "openness"
As said before, these toggles and their effectiveness on battery life would be so minimal with iOS. My cousin switches back-and-forth between 3G and EDGE every hour so, which raises the question whether if it's even worth it considering how frequent they toggle it.
Should Apple include some toggles? Definitely! But personally I wouldn't seen use of any toggle beyond the brightness, which can easily be fixed with a volume slider replacement.
Well I'm 'tech savvy because that's what I did for a living before I retired. I was probably using punch cards before most of you were born.
That being said, there are many things I'm not 'savvy' in (such as plumbing or electrical work) but I have found that I needed to learn a lot because there's not always someone around to 'fix it' for me. However, if your parents don't want to know, that's their choice.
But just because some Apple customers have no use for a better way to manage their phones doesn't mean many others don't have the need. It's not always about conserving battery. I leave my wifi and Bluetooth on most of the time. But there are times when I must manage my phone, traveling comes to mind because I travel a lot.
When the first iPhone came out very few people had any experience with smartphones. That was the major reason it was such a success. It was simple enough that most could pick it up and begin using it without much of a learning curve. But that was years ago. The majority of users have moved on and are capable of understanding/learning to use a more complicated device.
There is absolutely no valid reason not to give easy access to the most used settings for people who want/need to adjust them. As I posted before, the current layout is actually confusing and a bit illogical. I worked on software development for close to 30 years. All the way from coding to project management. I'm very, very familiar with what we loving called 'dumb users'. But designing software superficially for dumb users and leaving out users who need better control isn't alway the best idea.
Apple users have progressed. I think the vast majority can handle a change in the UI. When we talked about 'flattening ' a design, we weren't talking about icons. We were trying to simplify the menu structure. Less clicks to get somewhere, more logical menus. I'm hoping that's what Apple means when they say flattening. At the very least make things easier to get to if you do need to use them.
I disagree I believe quick toggles are in Android because they can be.
By that I mean, android didn't always have them. BUT devs could write apps to make them (toggle widget). Then after a while manufacturers started picking up that people liked them and they integrated them into their skins. Then Google saw the popularity and integrated them into stock Android.
Keep in mind quick toggles can be accomplished on pretty much all smart phones natively or using an app. I don't think its fair to say everyone that owns a windows phone or black berry wants to tinker with their phone.
Also I don't think the battery isnt any more or less of an argument then on a iOS. A lot of these parts are shared across manufacturers. The Bluetooth in a windows phone maybe the same exact model used in an Android phone. I've never found leaving my Bluetooth or GPS on any Android device to use less or more battery then my iPhone does.
Check out this link.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html
Apple says to use airplane mode and minimize location services. If they could I'm sure they'd say turn everything off but that would just look bad.
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