The reason why Apple may never offer quick settings controls

[saidtezel]

I disagree I believe quick toggles are in Android because they can be.

By that I mean, android didn't always have them. BUT devs could write apps to make them (toggle widget). Then after a while manufacturers started picking up that people liked them and they integrated them into their skins. Then Google saw the popularity and integrated them into stock Android.

Keep in mind quick toggles can be accomplished on pretty much all smart phones natively or using an app. I don't think its fair to say everyone that owns a windows phone or black berry wants to tinker with their phone.

Also I don't think the battery isnt any more or less of an argument then on a iOS. A lot of these parts are shared across manufacturers. The Bluetooth in a windows phone maybe the same exact model used in an Android phone. I've never found leaving my Bluetooth or GPS on any Android device to use less or more battery then my iPhone does.

Check out this link.

http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html

Apple says to use airplane mode and minimize location services. If they could I'm sure they'd say turn everything off but that would just look bad.

You are right about the hardware similarity part, many components are used by many companies. But take Windows vs OS example, pretty much same mentality with common component usage, and yet OS comes out more efficient with battery hours. Just like that, an iPhone and Android using very similar internal parts may come out having drastic performance differences in videogames. This was an issue with a recent car-racing game.

And the part with toggles, Apple defends the idea of simplicity. "If something is useful, it should be there, if not, there is no reason for it to be there." Looking at it from this perspective, they probably understood how broad market segment would underuse these toggles (enthusiasts and tinkerers aside). Which might be true. I'm a casual/power iPhone user of 5 years and I don't feel those toggles as necessary. Again, maybe your understanding and habits are different, but the way I look at iPhone users around me, they mostly don't miss it.

 

[pcmxa]

You are right about the hardware similarity part, many components are used by many companies. But take Windows vs OS example, pretty much same mentality with common component usage, and yet OS comes out more efficient with battery hours. Just like that, an iPhone and Android using very similar internal parts may come out having drastic performance differences in videogames. This was an issue with a recent car-racing game.

And the part with toggles, Apple defends the idea of simplicity. "If something is useful, it should be there, if not, there is no reason for it to be there." Looking at it from this perspective, they probably understood how broad market segment would underuse these toggles (enthusiasts and tinkerers aside). Which might be true. I'm a casual/power iPhone user of 5 years and I don't feel those toggles as necessary. Again, maybe your understanding and habits are different, but the way I look at iPhone users around me, they mostly don't miss it.

Out of curiosity do you have links to any Mac vs PC or iPhone vs android tests of battery life? I did look for the Mac vs PC but all I found was that windows drains a mac book faster because the bootcamp drivers are inefficient. Nothing about tests on native, similar hardware.

With android vs iPhone it is also not clear since many of the anecdotal data are based on vastly differing hardware

I just switched from ups to android (a pretty seamless process) and have found the battery life to be comparable even without the toggles. That said, I like having them for this situations where battery drain is likely to happen or where I don't want geoencoding.

Once I finish setting up my geofencing though, I hope not to need them at all, though they will make a nice confirmation that my daytime work settings and my leaving the house settings are working correctly.

I agree that apple and android should ask for an os that names it all for you. It shouldn't be something the user needs to do, but clearly we aren't there yet

 

[cynics]

You are right about the hardware similarity part, many components are used by many companies. But take Windows vs OS example, pretty much same mentality with common component usage, and yet OS comes out more efficient with battery hours. Just like that, an iPhone and Android using very similar internal parts may come out having drastic performance differences in videogames. This was an issue with a recent car-racing game.

And the part with toggles, Apple defends the idea of simplicity. "If something is useful, it should be there, if not, there is no reason for it to be there." Looking at it from this perspective, they probably understood how broad market segment would underuse these toggles (enthusiasts and tinkerers aside). Which might be true. I'm a casual/power iPhone user of 5 years and I don't feel those toggles as necessary. Again, maybe your understanding and habits are different, but the way I look at iPhone users around me, they mostly don't miss it.

Of course iOS is more efficient. Not only is it written better its doing less. Watching a YouTube video while typing this is gonna burn through more battery then youtube suspended in the background. DOS is more power efficient then windows at idle too, it also takes more work to screw things up.

I think my point is and back on topic a little more about iOS and less about alternatives. If you are going to have an option its better (to me) to have that option done easier. I don't think hiding it is the best way of doing things.

 

[aslucher]

From personal experience with my iPhones and quite a few of my friend's and family's iPhones, I agree with this post.

First of all college graduates may buy the phone but just because they graduated and have a degree, doesn't mean they know everything? Why else would people ever continue schooling? Multiple degrees, Bachelors, Masters, etc

Secondly and back to what I initially started with, I have a jailbroken iPhone 5. So do a few of my friends. I have the quick toggles in my notification center and so do they. Ive tried so many other "quick" ways from activator to sbsettings. Countless times I've had my pocket hit so many different toggles and I don't know what's happened. Some of my friends and family HAVE come to me going what's happened to my phone? When the problem just that BiteSMS was toggled off or LTE was toggled off or something that simple yet so detrimental to their use of the phone.

I've been jailbreaking and programming for iPhones since the original. Not only for me, but for my friends and family. I'm literally countless people's go to man when it comes to anything Apple. I feel as though I know so many ins and outs of the iPhone and yet the toggles STILL CONFUSE ME SOMETIMES.

Tim Cook is right. We may meddle. We may change or alter, but at the end of the day we purchase Apple products because they handle so many other tasks for you. This being one of them for me. There isn't something quick enough that's really efficient enough to be fully added. Well yet I should say, who knows this year I guess?

 

[K-Funk]

Wow, this thread convinces me I made the right decision in getting an Android. By the logic of some here, Apple should just do away with settings altogether.

 

[aslucher]

Wow, this thread convinces me I made the right decision in getting an Android. By the logic of some here, Apple should just do away with settings altogether.

No it comes down to this, it's a touch screen. We all want perfect touch screen phones and instantaneous results once the phone is in your hand and at the same time we want it to distinguish our hands from your upper thigh.....

 

[cynics]

No it comes down to this, it's a touch screen. We all want perfect touch screen phones and instantaneous results once the phone is in your hand and at the same time we want it to distinguish our hands from your upper thigh.....

How is this different from anything else on the phone? More importantly do you pockets have a laying of material between it and your thigh?

I don't get how you are toggling things on and off via your pocket but not be calling people, deleting contacts or anything else. What keeps your thigh from entering the settings menu and reeking havoc?!?

 

[aslucher]

How is this different from anything else on the phone? More importantly do you pockets have a laying of material between it and your thigh?

I don't get how you are toggling things on and off via your pocket but not be calling people, deleting contacts or anything else. What keeps your thigh from entering the settings menu and reeking havoc?!?

The material inside your pocket? Have you seen that stuff? Personally I live in Phoenix, Az a normal day makes that material slightly damp and it attracts anything. And the screen design doesn't account for that. Yes it has proximity sensors and what have you but especially if the home button is pressed in pocket, it's designed off of your electrical current in your entire body

Settings app is no where near the same. It isn't a congruent list of toggles all designed for speed. It's designed to be hidden and organized. It hardly ever is pulled open even if it is, one category can be fixed. It's when you have all of them in a row that things get messy. Not to mention most of the "quick" ways are accessing through the lock screen not the home screen

Other people get called sometimes and stuff happens inside my pocket. This was one example. But that is Apple's point. If they can't stop you from making a simple call why add system settings to the loop.

The difference is Apple says no to these "quick" apps. That's the point. To them. They SUCK!!!

 

[cynics]

The material inside your pocket? Have you seen that stuff? Personally I live in Phoenix, Az a normal day makes that material slightly damp and it attracts anything. And the screen design doesn't account for that. Yes it has proximity sensors and what have you but especially if the home button is pressed in pocket, it's designed off of your electrical current in your entire body

Settings app is no where near the same. It isn't a congruent list of toggles all designed for speed. It's designed to be hidden and organized. It hardly ever is pulled open even if it is, one category can be fixed. It's when you have all of them in a row that things get messy. Not to mention most of the "quick" ways are accessing through the lock screen not the home screen

Other people get called sometimes and stuff happens inside my pocket. This was one example. But that is Apple's point. If they can't stop you from making a simple call why add system settings to the loop.

The difference is Apple says no to these "quick" apps. That's the point. To them. They SUCK!!!

I guess I can't relate. I've never has my phone unlock and things start happening inside of my pocket. It's sounds to me that the problem you are having is because they were on the lock screen.

I think most of us (that would find this feature useful) expect better integration. Personally I was thinking from the notification window.

I also would keep my phone in a damp pocket but that's just me.

 

[Vundu]

They just could have quick toggles turned off by default. Problem solved.

 

[moonman239]

I vote for allowing each user to enable or disable this feature. It'll be there if they want it, and it won't be there if they don't.

 

[jonnyb098]

Tim Cook admitted that Apple "can do more" to be more open with their mobile OS. Don't bury the idea of quick toggles just yet.

Apple loves to steal from the jailbreak community and "Auxo" is currently one of the top tweaks and its all about quick toggles.

 

[aslucher]

I guess I can't relate. I've never has my phone unlock and things start happening inside of my pocket. It's sounds to me that the problem you are having is because they were on the lock screen.

I think most of us (that would find this feature useful) expect better integration. Personally I was thinking from the notification window.

I also would keep my phone in a damp pocket but that's just me.

Lol I wish I didn't have to worry about it but 115-118 degrees isn't easy to work in. Not much around sweat in the desert it's what prob affects it the most I think because its warm n right on my thigh as I walk.

The notification center widget is great but if I want my Bluetooth on quick I want to do it through the lock screen. Like that's the point. I shouldn't have to unlock to be easier. I want a better solution and my point is there isn't a good enough solution out there on any side. That's why Apple says no

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Tim Cook admitted that Apple "can do more" to be more open with their mobile OS. Don't bury the idea of quick toggles just yet.

Apple loves to steal from the jailbreak community and "Auxo" is currently one of the top tweaks and its all about quick toggles.

Auxo is amazing I just want better integration with the lock screen

 

[Carouser]

I vote for allowing each user to enable or disable this feature. It'll be there if they want it, and it won't be there if they don't.

I vote for Android retaining this feature and Apple not bothering. Android will be there for those who want it, and Apple will be there if they don't.

 

[cynics]

Lol I wish I didn't have to worry about it but 115-118 degrees isn't easy to work in. Not much around sweat in the desert it's what prob affects it the most I think because its warm n right on my thigh as I walk.

The notification center widget is great but if I want my Bluetooth on quick I want to do it through the lock screen. Like that's the point. I shouldn't have to unlock to be easier. I want a better solution and my point is there isn't a good enough solution out there on any side. That's why Apple says no

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Auxo is amazing I just want better integration with the lock screen

It could be accessed from the notification center ON the lock screen....ooohhhhhh!!! Lol

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I vote for all other smartphone manufacturers retaining this feature and Apple not bothering. All other smartphone manufacturers will be there for those who want it, and Apple will be there if they don't.

Fixed for you

 

[Bearxor]

The phone should be used, not managed

I love this quote. Its exactly why I feel like quick toggles are bandaids for a problem, not a solution to the problem itself. The same way I feel about a notification center.