'The Samsung Galaxy S6 Sales Disaster'

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by touchstoned, May 24, 2015.

  1. touchstoned macrumors regular

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    I hear a lot of people talking about the S6 hardware being a cut above the iphone 6 and that Apple have to catch up. It doesn't appear that the sales numbers are reflecting this.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...gle-samsung-galaxy-s6-sales-note-launch-date/

     
  2. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 603

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    There is no doubt it is a superb phone, but it's apparently selling very well according to posters on other threads here. Also it depends on which discussion you are in because the iPhone sales are usually compared to the entire Samsung range rather than the flagship devices in its particular market.

    To be honest though, sales should mean nothing to us. We buy what we like and can afford, let Samsung and Apple worry about the books.
     
  3. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    The s4 and s5 were world launches and hit like 80 countries at once.

    This is just click bait journalism
     
  5. The Game 161 macrumors P6

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    S6 edge has eaten into the sales...bit like it matters. IPhone sells millions even if it was an average phone...so sales isnt a measurement on how good a phone is
     
  6. nia820 macrumors 68020

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    Sales isn't a good measure of product quality. S6 is still a more advanced than the iPhone. But the masses like iphone because it's the cool thing to have. It's like with the black berry craze. It was trendy at one point to have a blackberry even though there were better phones out there.

    I have a iphone 6 plus and a s6 edge. And my s6 definitely feels more modern than my iPhone 6. But the average consumer just want a trendy phone with basic features.
     
  7. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    Yes and no.

    Sales do suggest what sort of features matter more to consumers. Specs are the means, user experience is the end. All the specs in the world mean squat if they don't result in a better user experience that the end user can appreciate.

    It's like the parable of the 4 blind men and the elephant. Sales by itself doesn't tell the whole story, but it does offer insight into what products consumers like (and by extension, what features they prize more than others), and so sales shouldn't be discounted entirely either.
     
  8. maka344 macrumors 65816

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    How do you juggle both devices? I'm in the same predicament and love both but realistically I don't need both handsets.
     
  9. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    I completely disagree. If every option were available in every market at every time, I might agree. But sales have so many variables that it's really hard to take them as an indication of much. The S6, for example, has every feature the iPhone 6 does.
     
  10. I7guy macrumors P6

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    Sales lead to revenue which leads to profit. Sheer numbers are meaningless and don't tell the whole story, they do tell part of story however.
     
  11. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    Not all specs are created equal, and the iPhone also competes in ways that cannot be readily quantified on a spec sheet. Not everything that can be measured matters, just not not everything that matters can be measured.

    How do you put a number on a smooth scrolling experience on a touchscreen, or great warranty service, or the benefit of having many apps available on your platform first or exclusively, or intangibles like being able to airplay my iPad to my Apple TV? You can't, but that doesn't mean they are irrelevant, or that they somehow "don't matter" to the end user. Because they clearly mattered to enough people to make Apple immensely profitable.

    This just shows that what makes a great product goes beyond simply cramming the latest and best specs into a metal shell and calling it a day. Apple realised this right from the very start. Samsung realised this too late, and they have effectively marketed themselves into a corner because they chose to adopt Android instead of developing their own ecosystem, and because they decided to prioritise specs over the end user experience. Samsung settled for short-term market share at the expense of long-term sustainability.

    Both Apple and Samsung are now reaping what they have sown. History has spoken and decided who was right and who, well, wasn't as right. :)
     
  12. spinedoc77 macrumors G3

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    Sales can also indicate a product purchased for fashion purposes with less regard to functionality. It happens all the time and there is a huge industry focused on selling fashion first, functionality 2nd. I'm not saying the iPhone isn't functional, I'm just saying that a large part of its appeal is fashion. Nothing wrong with that and Apple is that much more of an incredibly smart company for maximizing this aspect.

    All the specs in the world mean squat if the consumer simply does not want the fashion aspect to represent them. Samsung doesn't engender a sense of fashionability, people don't line up to buy it to fit in with their friends or due to a worry what others will think of them when they flash their phones.

    Interestingly enough Samsung ditched much of there superior functionality like the removable battery, SD card capability, etc and it's possible this may have backfired on them. I suppose Samsung thought they could compete with Apple on the fashion first end.
     
  13. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    But then we're going into the realm of subjective truths vs objective ones. Some people look at an S6 and see a phone that can go toe-to-toe with the latest iPhone and some don't. I also don't know if I agree that history has decided who was right. That's, once again, placing the value of a device on sales. From a corporate perspective, that is true. But value doesn't always equate to sales and sales don't always equate to value.

    Another weird thing you talk about is Samsung "deciding to prioritize specs over end user experience" as if the two are completely mutually exclusive and as if Samsung doesn't think they're actually adding to the UX through their software. I doubt Samsung puts in S-Voice for laughs, they think it is something that the majority of people actually want.
     
  14. I7guy macrumors P6

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    What is missing is Samsung's sales targets as that information will likely never be seen by the public. If Samsung projected to sell 5m devices the first month, by all accounts they are doing well. If they projected to sell 30m devices the first month, not so much.
     
  15. skratch77 macrumors 65816

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    Ceo responds to this saying the news outlets are incorrect
     

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  16. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    True. Until Samsung releases sales figures (and I believe they will eventually have to), all this is pure speculation at any rate.
     
  17. I7guy macrumors P6

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    The mobile phone market seems more divided than some other markets like TVs. I think this market is much more fickle and with good cause as your digital life (and real life) are tied to your phone these days.

    Samsung makes good electronics...our house has Samsung tvs exclusively. Ultimately the same types of things can be done with all phones, just in different ways. A lot of what is discussed here is preference with little objectivity and a lot of subjectivity thrown in.
     
  18. BullittMustang macrumors 6502a

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    I too had both, an iPhone 6 plus and a S6. My original thought was to possibly keep both. Although the S6 is a nice phone with a camera and display that is unmatched, I decided to return it within my 14 return period. The battery life was not very good and niether was the Touch ID. I couldn't see letting a perfectly good 6 plus just sit there not being used. My 6 plus has a crazy good battery, but I'm really missing the beautiful display of the S6. I'm staying put with the 6 plus until I see what the next generation of phones brings.
     
  19. Abazigal macrumors G3

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    Well, even specs can lie.

    Anyone remember Anandtech's article covering the A7 processor in the iPhone 5s, and how it ran rings around quad-core snapdragon processors despite having just 2 slower cores itself? This shows that larger numbers on paper don't always translate into better real-life performance.

    Many people seem to have this mistaken notion that every consumer shops based purely on specs and will automatically choose a device with the largest numbers. I don't think this is always true. There are other factors like the aforementioned "fashion" aspect which are intangible and cannot be readily distilled into a number, but are nevertheless very real factors that influence a consumer's final decision.

    And I guess that when you put an iPhone and a S6 side-by-side, compare only their specs in a vacuum while ignoring everything else, that just irritates me because it's clear this isn't how people shop in real life.

    I agree that it is highly subjective as to how we go about gauging how successful a product is. Why then are we looking solely at specs when there are clearly so many other factors that affect the final value of the device?
     
  20. GadgetSN, May 24, 2015
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    I own a 6+ and Note 4 and carry two phones with me everyday. The 6+ is my main phone simply because it is nicer to use and also looks and feels nicer. The Note 4 feels like another average Samsung product. I like how the S6 and S6 edge have improved in quality but they are still a ugly phones especially from the back.

    The S6 and S6 edge therefore just do not have the physical desirability to attract customers before hooking such customer with specs. Those that dont mind ugly looking phones are then put off by the non removable battery and lack of SD card option.

    I am hoping the Note 5 builds on the S6 and truely changes the game. I prefer Android but currently dislike all Android hardware.

    Samsung also need to realise they will never be in the same league as Apple. They need to stop pricing their devices at similar price points or even worse at higher price points. Its like their 9 series laptops being more expensive that the Macbook Pros. Sony flagship phones are much nicer than Samsungs and sell at much lower prices fromthe outset.
     
  21. Michael Goff macrumors G5

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    No, some people have used both and think they're competitive. :|
     
  22. nfl46 macrumors 604

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    People have being saying this since 2007. Come on, guys, lets find another excuse.
     
  23. jamezr macrumors G4

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    Oh so sales are the deciding factor? Truth is Apple is STILL playing catchup to Samsung and the rest of the Android phones GLOBALLY
    Great so then there is this.......
    So consumer have spoken with the dollars to equal actual sales!

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  25. jamezr, May 24, 2015
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    This is utter BS! The people who buy phones do not make this part of their buying decision. Oh I am going to buy an Apple phone because they make more profit from me! See I like how they can overcharge me and make more profit! No! They buy based on needs and requirements.
    This whole sales only count if you make the profits Apple does is stupid! It does not factor into people's decision to buy a phone.
    Sales are king. Apple/IOS is very far behind Android/Samsung
    Lets add some actual real sales figures to the discussion.


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    It is a direct one to one comparison. Apple makes the iPhone and they are the only one to make a phone with IOS. Apple makes it that way. They don't allow any one else to make a IOS phone. So they put themselves in the this position. You can't punish Samsung (or Android OEMs) because Apple doesn't want to license IOS.
     

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