I'm trying to sell my base model, non-touchbar MBP from 2016 and the offers are astounding. Like $350. I even wrote a note on the ad saying Apple will take it for $420, so stop bothering me with that ****.
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Seems like you could arb the price differential.
I did this with textbooks in the 1990s.
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I think that I'd put an external keyboard on it and use it as a media server at home.
Assuming you are able to avoid spilling liquids upon or dropping 'em, Apple Care is overkill in my semi-humble (techno grouchy curmudgeon) opinion
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I've been on eBay for more than a couple decades now and do not respond to lowball "offers" of any sort. For those who appear to be non-bottom-feeders- on occasion I send a reply saying thank you for looking at my auction. I do not end them early and best of luck bidding...
I noticed that trade in for my 13" is only $580 and its not even three years old. I sold my MacBook Air for almost that much in 2017. I was only looking because I could use more storage, memory, and processor to run some VM's. Otherwise , I love my 13" and I have a 2018 15" for work that I haven't had any issues with.
If you are holding a butterfly model - I'd dump it as soon as you can.
They are not going to age well in terms of resale value (or other, hardware related, factors for that matter)
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I personally wouldn't buy a Butterfly Mac at any price.
They are not going to age well in terms of resale value (or other, hardware related, factors for that matter)
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I personally wouldn't buy a Butterfly Mac at any price.
2017 15, 2.9 Ghz, 512 GB, 16G, $603 - Worcester, MA on Craigslist. It's a nice price for pretty good specs. But I won't touch a 15 after 2015.
2018 Core i9, upgraded storage, and ..... it includes a wired external Apple keyboard. That's a really nice touch. $800.
2018 Core i9, upgraded storage, and ..... it includes a wired external Apple keyboard. That's a really nice touch. $800.
As others said, I wouldn't buy a butterfly generation machine at any price. The fact that Corona has sent most computer prices skyhigh, and at the exact same time butterfly laptop prices have continued to plummet - that says it all.
Yes maybe, I don't know how much a 2016 goes for, but I sold my 2015 13" MBP with i5/8/256 for $600 recently. Seems like pretty good resell value for a 5 year old machine.
I'm also in the boat of not wanting anything to do with a butterfly keyboard Mac. One of my work machines has the butterfly keyboard and I hate typing on it. And the Apple warranty does nothing to sway me, because who wants to deal with a return and being out of a laptop for some period of time and all that? Not to mention I'd like to think I may want to keep the machine for more than 4 years (my 2013 MacBook Air lasted me 7 and is still running great as a hand-me-down to my family). No thanks.
Anecdotally, I picked up the last 15" before the 16" upgrade with 22 battery cycles on it, i9, 32 gigs of ram, 1TB HD for $1800 shipped in February... I've gotten used to the keyboard now... This was a nearly $4000 machine when bought last October...
I'm thrilled with it after coming from a maxed out late 2013...
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This was a nearly $4000 machine when bought last October... I'm thrilled with it after coming from a maxed out late 2013...
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I just got a 16... There's problems with them? I heard about the excessive fan speed for the 5500 model, but the 5300 supposedly has less noise. I play PC games on mine and do not feel the noise is excessive.
I'm not seeing any of the 16s for sale locally. I think that the reason for all of the refurbs is because most Apple Stores are closed so people can't play around with them in the local store and people are buying one to see if they like it and then some are returning them and getting a different configuration or going with the 13.
This forum is where the people with MBP problems show up so you're going to see mostly problems which doesn't tell you the number of people that are happy with the systems. Overall, my impression is that people are happy with the 16. That's from my regular browsing of threads. Do people have problems? Of course. but the overall complaints seem a lot lower than models from prior years.
I've got some great resale value in the past but these days I just go trade in thru Apple. I still get a decent flip price almost as good as ebay/craigslist, no slow purchasing customers thinking about it or trying to get a deal, and I don't have to worry about returns or unhappy customers which is especially nice imo after the keyboard issues of recent years.
I also think that laptops are like cars - the more you spec them up, the more you're likely to lose when it comes to selling it on as the potential number of buyers for these 15 & 16" machines with 32GB RAM, lots of video RAM and more than 1TB HDD are pretty small in the scheme of things.
That's because the buyers of used equipment are doing so to save money, that is they're going the used market for a reason and will avoid over-spec'd computers because of the price. They want a cheap computer and will not be willing to pay the premium that comes with 2TB storage or 64GB of ram.
On the corporate scene, there are a lot of custom builds ordered for various warranted and unwarranted reasons.
Last place where I worked, the (newly minted) DevOps teams ordered up ridiculously over-configured MBP's and no one could convince the higher-ups in that area otherwise. The sad an ironic part was that I could blow all of them away in terms of productivity from the command line with a very humble Mac by comparison (running mostly Dockerized stuff and accessing cloud-based resources)
I've always aimed for mid-tier computing above base models at home and work- both in the office and in rack after rack of enterprise data center gear (firewalls, routers, servers, switches, SANs, ...). This approach has served me and the places I've worked quite well over the years.
I'll also say that yes, Apple and other portable computer manufacturers have done an excellent job of emulating the auto industry. The configuration many of us seek is not "a standard model" so invariably we end up ponying up more money lol
On the corporate scene, there are a lot of custom builds ordered for various warranted and unwarranted reasons.
Last place where I worked, the (newly minted) DevOps teams ordered up ridiculously over-configured MBP's and no one could convince the higher-ups in that area otherwise. The sad an ironic part was that I could blow all of them away in terms of productivity from the command line with a very humble Mac by comparison (running mostly Dockerized stuff and accessing cloud-based resources)
I've always aimed for mid-tier computing above base models at home and work- both in the office and in rack after rack of enterprise data center gear (firewalls, routers, servers, switches, SANs, ...). This approach has served me and the places I've worked quite well over the years.
I'll also say that yes, Apple and other portable computer manufacturers have done an excellent job of emulating the auto industry. The configuration many of us seek is not "a standard model" so invariably we end up ponying up more money lol
Load can change with time, though, and you don't necessarily know what the company pays for bulk purchases.
We use Zoom a lot and people have reported performance problems with CrashPlan (backup service) on our standard laptops (which are high-spec). We weren't using certain communications tools as much while we were in the office. The change means better specs are needed as opposed to being nice to have in the past.