As one of the 8 people that bought a PS Vita, I'm still annoyed how they supported the Vita so poorly and made sooo many bad decisions with it. I wouldn't buy a new PS handheld unless it was literally 100% PS5+ compatible. I was really unenamoured with the PS4 in general too. I'd rather stick with PC handhelds or Nintendo.
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The Sony Playstation 6 (PS6)
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I had the Vita twice, still have my PSP. I have my fingers crossed for this one if they do make it, it does sound like it will have an AMD chip and run PS5 games. But I understand your comment due to the abysmal way they treated the Vita.
I know it's rumored to have an AMD chip but it's also rumored to only have a 6 core CPU. Will it run every PS5/PS4 game? Or will it be some select whitelist of titles a la the Playstation TV? I don't care if it can play some lightweight PS5 titles, I mean EVERY title.
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turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
It'd sure be amazing if it could run all PS games in one console (even if some are done in emulation).
Well Sony are forcing devs to update games to support it’s new ‘power profile’ on the PS5, and many believe that is actually a lie and what they are doing is forcing devs to get their games running on lower power for the handheld. Could be true, we shall have to wait and see, but any PS5 game can run on a current AMD powered PC handheld, and none of those are using a custom chip design with custom features that were developed in collaboration between Sony and AMD.
Good. Software first. Hardware second.
PS5 and Series X have not been great console. SDKs and specs weren't finalised until the consoles hit retail. We had to wait 1.5 years for next gen patches and almost 3-4 years for games that maximised the hardware.
PS6 won't be a repeat. PSSR has launched and makes the PS5 Pro a real life sdk for PS6 and PS6 handheld that will also use ai upscaling.
Today, the power and specs of your hardware is irrelevant if gaming studios have not optimised for it. Gaming studios often have coding freezes 1-2 years before launch to focus on quality assessment. This means no introduction of new frameworks or specs. Therefore if you as Sony present your new spec after this, you will have to wait until 2-3 years post game launch to see the game optimised for it. More often than not, studios don't like allocating resources towards re-engineering old titles for customers who have already paid!
This is why Sony and AMD are being open and transparent about the new work that they are doing together. This enables developers to start work early.
What does this mean? More optimised games when the PS6 and handheld launch! 😎
Rumour has it that PS6 bill of materials has risen to $970.
That's just parts. Excluding R&D, assembly, manufacturing, distribution and retailer margin.
I think it will be a $1,200 device sold like a phone $70/month for 24months years including Playstation Plus.
The handheld will likely be the "cheaper" device.
Even if the handheld is $699 it will be hard for some to justify.
The issue is that the most popular games are fifa, roblox, cod, fortnite, madden, minecraft and valorant. Those games look and run pretty much the same on a 5090 as a base ps5 - especially if your display is limited to 60-120fps which is the case for most consumers.
It would have helped if ps6 was released this Christmas for gta6 as the flagship console.
Basically the PS6 will be a "nice to have" rather than a must because developers will continue to make games for the base console probably until 2029-2030.
That's just parts. Excluding R&D, assembly, manufacturing, distribution and retailer margin.
I think it will be a $1,200 device sold like a phone $70/month for 24months years including Playstation Plus.
The handheld will likely be the "cheaper" device.
Even if the handheld is $699 it will be hard for some to justify.
The issue is that the most popular games are fifa, roblox, cod, fortnite, madden, minecraft and valorant. Those games look and run pretty much the same on a 5090 as a base ps5 - especially if your display is limited to 60-120fps which is the case for most consumers.
It would have helped if ps6 was released this Christmas for gta6 as the flagship console.
Basically the PS6 will be a "nice to have" rather than a must because developers will continue to make games for the base console probably until 2029-2030.
At that price point, it may be the first Playstation since the PS1 that I don't buy at launch. I mean, the PS5 games already look amazing, how big of a leap can it possibly be anyway? PS2 -> PS3 was the last time a new gen console really floored me with the performance boost. Diminishing returns ever since...
I think the PS6 will be what the PS5 misleadingly advertised itself to be: A 4k/120fps console.
The reality is that neither it or the Series X even run most games games at 4k/60. When they do it's either linear single player titles or graphical settings are at low without ray tracing.
Hence why some people feel that the jump from PS4 Pro to PS5 was marginal. Mainly just ran games at a steady 30fps or added a 60fps mode for less demanding ones. You can see it in Assassins Creed Shadows, Crimson Desert and Cyberpunk 2077. Choice between quality and performance mode has huge compromises at either end. This is why I ended up selling my Series X. The difference between 4k with DLSS on my PC versus soft looking dynamic 1000-1200p was too big.
Felt like my PC was current Gen but Xbox not much more visually impressive than my PS4 PRO owned 6 years ago.
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
I see no reason for the PS6 to come out until at least another 3 years, mainly because I haven't seen so many great games or exclusives this generation.
GTA VI is going to come out this year, haven't seen TLOU 3, etc. I want more games, no better hardware.
If the jump is only going to be for improved fps, I prefer them to put more effort into games and exclusives.
Also, better wait for prices to go down. No point in releasing a PS5 or new Xbox for 900$, no one will buy them.
GTA VI is going to come out this year, haven't seen TLOU 3, etc. I want more games, no better hardware.
If the jump is only going to be for improved fps, I prefer them to put more effort into games and exclusives.
Also, better wait for prices to go down. No point in releasing a PS5 or new Xbox for 900$, no one will buy them.
Populus
macrumors 604
According to most leaks, PS6 is being released on schedule (holidays 2027) because this type of projects carry many years of development, securing the design from AMD, securing the chip manufacturing capacity (TSMC), and delaying the console launch would make the company lose a lot of money. Also, if they delay the launch, they will go behind the competition, with a less powerful machine.
I fully believe the rumors of the launch of the PS6 in the scheduled date, but I also believe that the price tag is going to be quite high, at a minimum of $900/€900. Hopefully they will be able to slowly lower the price on the following years… otherwise my PS5 Pro could be my last video game console.
Sucks that we are mainly playing remakes, remasters and not enough new single player titles.
It will have more vram than PS5 Pro therefore it will cost more. I agree that production will commence as contracted years ago. TSMC are busy and there is no delaying or pissing off chip makers in this climate.
Subsidising it with the expectation to recover some money on games doesn’t work. 15 years ago consumers would buy multiple single player title one after the other. Today, someone will buy a live service title and only play thst for years.
A while ago Sony did that 75% of PlayStation owners only play two games. I had friends like that. They would only alternate between FIFA and COD.
I think the tiers will be like this:
Broke: Buy PS Portal to Cloud stream
Entry level: PS6 Handheld(Equivalent to base PS5)
Flagship: Playstation 6
PlayStation Plus Premium will likely increase in price by 20-30%. That should help Sony generate more money.
Sensamic
macrumors 68040
If prices keep going up, whether that's hardware or games, I bet the videogame industry will get a massive hit by consumers and sales will decline big time.
There's so much you can push consumers. No matter the costs get bigger. Do something to change that. Make games smaller, there's no need for 40+ hour games.
Switch 1 was a hit because of a good price and concept. Games are a hobby, and if you pay 1.000$ for a console and 80$ for a game, I bet people will use that money towards other hobbies more affordable. Not to even mention the cost of life is getting more expensive in other critical areas.
I'm pretty sure the videogame industry is not one to get a pass in higher prices.
There's so much you can push consumers. No matter the costs get bigger. Do something to change that. Make games smaller, there's no need for 40+ hour games.
Switch 1 was a hit because of a good price and concept. Games are a hobby, and if you pay 1.000$ for a console and 80$ for a game, I bet people will use that money towards other hobbies more affordable. Not to even mention the cost of life is getting more expensive in other critical areas.
I'm pretty sure the videogame industry is not one to get a pass in higher prices.
Also more and more kids/people are fine with playing games on their phones and tablets, they don't necessarily need a dedicated gaming device.
I forget where I read this, but kids don't consider themselves "gamers" any more, but rather they identify to a specific game, like minecraft or fortnite.
Populus
macrumors 604
Yeah, definitely. Gen Z and Gen alpha use their smartphones and tablets increasingly more and more as gaming devices, and if this economic trend continues, less and less younger-young people will play on gaming consoles.
I feel like us, the older-young people, mainly millennials, are the biggest gaming demographic target for gaming consoles, because we grew up with the first popular machines from SEGA, Sony and Nintendo, and nostalgia sells a lot. We’ve known the most relevant video game sagas such as Sonic The Hedgehog, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Zelda, Super Mario… and we’ve played most of their iterations, if not all.
Sony launched a ps5 monitor last year. They might grow the audience for PlayStation by targeting esports gamers thst buy PCs. We could see a PlayStation keyboard and mouse!
blog.playstation.com
First look at PlayStation’s 27” Gaming Monitor
Built for desktop gaming with a PS5, the upcoming monitor combines bold visuals and performance and includes a charging hook for the DualSense wireless controller.
blog.playstation.com
BlankStar
macrumors 6502a
Sony confirmed that they're stopping with physical games in 2028. They better give that PS6 a big fat SDD then.
Feel like my PS5 Pro isn't even close to being fully used. I remember being impressed with the loading times on the PS5, but wonder what a PS4 Pro with (by Sony supported) SSD would've been like compared to the PS5 base. And games didn't look that much better those first years because they were also being released for the PS4. If that same logic is applied to the PS6...
Then like other people here said, the PS6 will be the first console that I probably won't be buying on launch. The price will have to be really sharp and the PS6 better have some killer feature, or I'll be waiting several years before buying it.
Feel like my PS5 Pro isn't even close to being fully used. I remember being impressed with the loading times on the PS5, but wonder what a PS4 Pro with (by Sony supported) SSD would've been like compared to the PS5 base. And games didn't look that much better those first years because they were also being released for the PS4. If that same logic is applied to the PS6...
Then like other people here said, the PS6 will be the first console that I probably won't be buying on launch. The price will have to be really sharp and the PS6 better have some killer feature, or I'll be waiting several years before buying it.
Populus
macrumors 604
Wait, what? No more physical games? What about their BluRay movie business? I mean, a similar decision cost Microsoft the XBOne generation… and now there won’t be any backlash?
I buy most of my games digital, but I still have an optical drive in case I want to rent or buy a used game.
And I only buy games when they’re in sales, at a reduced price. If there aren’t physical games, digital ones are going to get more expensive with the drawback that you won’t be able to re-sell it.
I suspect this is going to affect launch sales, as well as the overall popularity of gaming consoles…
Yeah, same. I may stick with my PS5 Pro got a long, long time…
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That will be the way forward for purists. Own a ps5 to play ps5 and ps4 disc based games but also own a ps6 to play ps6 exclusives.
dukebound85
macrumors Core
i may never buy a console again. I do not have faith that any digital purchases will be mine based on actions Sony has done lately with the whole movie removal thing
It's ok, I can embrace the long game library I need to play on the ps3/ps4 and xbox
I will not spend 1k on a console that can only be a console.
It's ok, I can embrace the long game library I need to play on the ps3/ps4 and xbox
I will not spend 1k on a console that can only be a console.
At a $1,000 it will be
That will depend on final spec. Old rumour were 30-32GB DDR7 unified RAM but to keep retail price reasonable, Sony could lower that to 24GB.
The same if true for storage. It might have 1TB instead of 2TB in order to save $100USD off the price.
RAM and storage are the biggest constraints both for pricing and supply.