Is there any evidence of this? Seems it would make the whole encrypted thing they made a big deal of kind of redundant.
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Is there any evidence of this? Seems it would make the whole encrypted thing they made a big deal of kind of redundant.
It sounds like you've been with the wrong laptop for a while. Glad you're happy with your new machine!
But for me, I'm glad Apple made the design concessions they did. The 2016 MBP is a well balanced machine for my needs, which include lots of typing (I love the keyboard, but to each their own) and heavy photo work. I'm also doing some video editing in FCP and it works well enough for me. The battery life is great, and the screen is gorgeous.
Everyone has different needs. Apple is expensive, well-designed, and they make compromises in design to ensure an even experience. What they fail at, is letting people like the OP understand that they are NOT their target audience. Apple is not premium because they are perfect for everyone. Apple is premium because they are well-balanced for their target audience.
Why all these power users are still hanging around MacRumors complaining about the MBP confounds me. Just move on. We can all still be friends!
But for me, I'm glad Apple made the design concessions they did. The 2016 MBP is a well balanced machine for my needs, which include lots of typing (I love the keyboard, but to each their own) and heavy photo work. I'm also doing some video editing in FCP and it works well enough for me. The battery life is great, and the screen is gorgeous.
Everyone has different needs. Apple is expensive, well-designed, and they make compromises in design to ensure an even experience. What they fail at, is letting people like the OP understand that they are NOT their target audience. Apple is not premium because they are perfect for everyone. Apple is premium because they are well-balanced for their target audience.
Why all these power users are still hanging around MacRumors complaining about the MBP confounds me. Just move on. We can all still be friends!
Within a story often we can find the truth.
So this tale is about a guy with an "ancient" MBP that died, but when he turned to buy a new one, it couldn't handle all of the "work he threw at it."
So he only dumped the previous machine because it got sick, but how was he working BEFORE? I mean, he had this ancient machine and now he suddenly needed 32GB of RAM.
I'll simply say this...
Uh huh. Sure.
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When has Apple ever had a machine that competes with gaming notebooks in terms of price and power?
I dont think ever. Apple has always been a premium brand and they build their machines to be more balanced. I actually had the same attitude in 2009. I bought this 15 inch Sager computer with the best GPU you could fit into a 15 in case and a fast duel core cpu. 4gigs of ram. It was a great machine but, it was also noisy, the fan was loud, OS took a while to boot into, and support probably wasnt going to be close to what Apple provides at the Apple store 4 miles away from my house.
I agree you can get a better machine for hundreds of dollars less, but Apple excels in many other areas and they were never really trying to compete with those guys in the first place.
I dont think ever. Apple has always been a premium brand and they build their machines to be more balanced. I actually had the same attitude in 2009. I bought this 15 inch Sager computer with the best GPU you could fit into a 15 in case and a fast duel core cpu. 4gigs of ram. It was a great machine but, it was also noisy, the fan was loud, OS took a while to boot into, and support probably wasnt going to be close to what Apple provides at the Apple store 4 miles away from my house.
I agree you can get a better machine for hundreds of dollars less, but Apple excels in many other areas and they were never really trying to compete with those guys in the first place.
TBH these days all the premium windows machines are starting to go the way of Apple pricing anyway, given what you get. SP4, SB, Razer [ok, they've always been expensive]. You can't count the more modular, larger windows laptops because it's not generally a fair comparison in quality, fit/finish, battery life or power draw. Sure, you can buy an MSI or an Asus for a grand less, but they're 2 inches thick, plastic, and generally have lackluster TN panel 1080 displays. Alienware are a bit more solid, but when you move up into the 2k area with premium components you're climbing into premium price territory again, and those things are HEAVY AS ALL GET OUT!
The sad truth is that there's really nothing SPECIAL about the 2016 MbP. It's got it's Touch Bar gimmick [similar to the SB detachable keyboard or Razer Chroma keyboard] and it's got OS/X and a VERY extremely well integrated ecosystem between phone, pad, and laptop.... but hardware wise it's really not a heck of a lot different than ANY of those aforementioned premium machines [specs and pricing fluctuate a little, but fit/finish/battery life are typically really close]
Hold the torches and the pitchforks guys, I'm not done yet
That's not saying that the 2016 MbP isn't a great machine in it's own right: The performance you get out of the 35w R9 460 is absolutely PHENOMENAL for a 35w card, the 15" i7 may not be as fast as my 7700k, but it's a very solid performer in it's own right, and the machine as a whole runs cool enough for heavy transcoding and other heavy lifting tasks.
Also, the force touch track pad, which I just used to look up the correct spelling for Phenomenal.
And as I stated in my last post, here's where Apple really DOES excel: it does what it does while being an EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE machine to use. Razer 14" will kill your neck after an hour. the 17" will randomly shut down on you [seriously, Lisa W/ Mobiletechreview reviewed it and had the same problem I did with the thing] SB too top heavy, SP4 kinda sorta but not really mappable [I hate that word].
Of course all of the above is subjective, but the best machine for you is the one you can use for hours and not feel like you got hit by a truck, you can get things done on, and can ultimately enjoy using. For some people, that's a huge desktop replacement laptop. . . and if you only want to have ONE computer to rule them all, I can see the allure. As for me, I'll stick with the MbP. Sure, it doesn't have a GTX 1080, and it doesn't work [for now] with the Razer Core, and I have to boot into Windows to play FFXIV [because the Mac client is complete trash] but at least I have a SOLID DEPENDABLE Machine I can sit here and write books in forums on without destroying the muscles under my shoulder blades
Sorry for the long post guys. . . . that whole objectivity thing ya know
The sad truth is that there's really nothing SPECIAL about the 2016 MbP. It's got it's Touch Bar gimmick [similar to the SB detachable keyboard or Razer Chroma keyboard] and it's got OS/X and a VERY extremely well integrated ecosystem between phone, pad, and laptop.... but hardware wise it's really not a heck of a lot different than ANY of those aforementioned premium machines [specs and pricing fluctuate a little, but fit/finish/battery life are typically really close]
Hold the torches and the pitchforks guys, I'm not done yet
That's not saying that the 2016 MbP isn't a great machine in it's own right: The performance you get out of the 35w R9 460 is absolutely PHENOMENAL for a 35w card, the 15" i7 may not be as fast as my 7700k, but it's a very solid performer in it's own right, and the machine as a whole runs cool enough for heavy transcoding and other heavy lifting tasks.
Also, the force touch track pad, which I just used to look up the correct spelling for Phenomenal.
And as I stated in my last post, here's where Apple really DOES excel: it does what it does while being an EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE machine to use. Razer 14" will kill your neck after an hour. the 17" will randomly shut down on you [seriously, Lisa W/ Mobiletechreview reviewed it and had the same problem I did with the thing] SB too top heavy, SP4 kinda sorta but not really mappable [I hate that word].
Of course all of the above is subjective, but the best machine for you is the one you can use for hours and not feel like you got hit by a truck, you can get things done on, and can ultimately enjoy using. For some people, that's a huge desktop replacement laptop. . . and if you only want to have ONE computer to rule them all, I can see the allure. As for me, I'll stick with the MbP. Sure, it doesn't have a GTX 1080, and it doesn't work [for now] with the Razer Core, and I have to boot into Windows to play FFXIV [because the Mac client is complete trash] but at least I have a SOLID DEPENDABLE Machine I can sit here and write books in forums on without destroying the muscles under my shoulder blades
Sorry for the long post guys. . . . that whole objectivity thing ya know
TBH these days all the premium windows machines are starting to go the way of Apple pricing anyway, given what you get. SP4, SB, Razer [ok, they've always been expensive]. You can't count the more modular, larger windows laptops because it's not generally a fair comparison in quality, fit/finish, battery life or power draw. Sure, you can buy an MSI or an Asus for a grand less, but they're 2 inches thick, plastic, and generally have lackluster TN panel 1080 displays. Alienware are a bit more solid, but when you move up into the 2k area with premium components you're climbing into premium price territory again, and those things are HEAVY AS ALL GET OUT!
The sad truth is that there's really nothing SPECIAL about the 2016 MbP. It's got it's Touch Bar gimmick [similar to the SB detachable keyboard or Razer Chroma keyboard] and it's got OS/X and a VERY extremely well integrated ecosystem between phone, pad, and laptop.... but hardware wise it's really not a heck of a lot different than ANY of those aforementioned premium machines [specs and pricing fluctuate a little, but fit/finish/battery life are typically really close]
Hold the torches and the pitchforks guys, I'm not done yet
That's not saying that the 2016 MbP isn't a great machine in it's own right: The performance you get out of the 35w R9 460 is absolutely PHENOMENAL for a 35w card, the 15" i7 may not be as fast as my 7700k, but it's a very solid performer in it's own right, and the machine as a whole runs cool enough for heavy transcoding and other heavy lifting tasks.
Also, the force touch track pad, which I just used to look up the correct spelling for Phenomenal.
And as I stated in my last post, here's where Apple really DOES excel: it does what it does while being an EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE machine to use. Razer 14" will kill your neck after an hour. the 17" will randomly shut down on you [seriously, Lisa W/ Mobiletechreview reviewed it and had the same problem I did with the thing] SB too top heavy, SP4 kinda sorta but not really mappable [I hate that word].
Of course all of the above is subjective, but the best machine for you is the one you can use for hours and not feel like you got hit by a truck, you can get things done on, and can ultimately enjoy using. For some people, that's a huge desktop replacement laptop. . . and if you only want to have ONE computer to rule them all, I can see the allure. As for me, I'll stick with the MbP. Sure, it doesn't have a GTX 1080, and it doesn't work [for now] with the Razer Core, and I have to boot into Windows to play FFXIV [because the Mac client is complete trash] but at least I have a SOLID DEPENDABLE Machine I can sit here and write books in forums on without destroying the muscles under my shoulder blades
Sorry for the long post guys. . . . that whole objectivity thing ya know
Great post ! You are spot on with your observations.
People like to complain but in reality there are not that many computers that actually compare to the MacBook family. And yes, they all have their own quirks and faults.
It is not really possible to have 'one computer to rule them all' I feel. A notebook is not a desktop and probably never will be, as there will always be a requirement for more speed.
Out of curiosity what are you using the dual 1080 machine for, is it just gaming? I was thinking of getting something similar for my 3D work [yep from Dell......]
You know, I use both. I have a top end Windows desktop with a 7700k + [and my wife STILL doesn't know this] 2 x GTX 1080ti in SLI. 32 gig ram, dual m.2 512 SSDs (one of them is even NVME!)
But when I'm not gaming [the true point of this machine] or doing heavy transcode work -- I have a top shelf 15" 2016 MbP. It can still run all my games [FFXIV in Windows, Battle.net games in OS/X], has great battery life, and enough power that I can still do light-medium transcoding on it [it's more convenient]
I've been through Razer's 14 and 17" offerings, The Sp4 and SB 1st gen. . I even bought my son a 17" Alienware Kaby lake + GTX 1070. ALL of those machines are great machines. . . but the one I'm REALLY comfortable on is the MbP. Not because it's OS/X, Not because it's "made by Apple". . but because it is a comfortable machine to use for me, especially in situations where I don't feel like firing up a higher end gaming desktop to write E-mails and browse Facebook.
At the end of the day, this is what matters. It's actually OKAY to buy a laptop PC, or a Galaxy S8+, or a [insert random smart watch or fitness tracker here].
There are a lot of great machines out there these days. The MacBook Pro 2016 is still one of them. It's not as powerful as a 2017 Blade Pro or as battery efficient as a Surface Book, But it's still got amazing power for it's power draw and great battery for it's configuration.
So with all that, O/P, It's awesome you found a machine you're comfortable with ^^. I won't ask why you chose to put up this post advertising it, because I think we all understand the relative . . . turbulence with apple product satisfaction these days, and definitely get people wanting to air their relative disappointment (or to help justify their decision making process. . . it can go both ways). When the next model comes out, or the next iPhone, watch, Pad, etc. . I'm sure we'll see you again. . and you'll still be as welcome as always
I agree. Nowadays, Windows 10 is well functioning and stable operating system which I'm always happy to use. Why fight over either one's superiority over other?
I love my MBPtb 15" for its form factor and speed (I even like the keyboard, but believe the touch bar is Apple's yet another failure in implementation.), while I also own Lenovo X1 Carbon for my windows machine and easy carrying. I sometimes carry both laptops even.
You don't have to be so patriotic to Apple or any other company. It's your money, and you can freely purchase any machine you would like. You just have to consider the opportunity cost or risk whatever whenever you purchase a certain software on either platform. But otherwise, people should make their own choice and be happy with it.
Nothing wrong with a Dell, its on my short list for laptops.
If you compare features, the Dell beats out the MBP: PCWorld Puts Latest 15 in. Macbook Pro Against XPS 15
Oh come on maflynn... The XPS only beats the MBP in two departments: graphics and price. In everythign else, you either have feature parity or the MBP is vastly superior (especially where it comes to WiFi, battery and mobility)
Y'see, that's the thing. I still remember with pride a meeting where I had to explain and demonstrate an interoperability concept in August 2011, my early 2011 MBP was running 4 VMs at once, two Win7, two XP and although it sounded like a jet about to take off it worked perfectly. Nothing WinTel they had there could do the same job without severe compromise. I couldn't take my home production workstation so I took my MBP and it was just fantastic. Since then, it's had two new batteries, a 1TB premium SSD fitted, a second memory upgrade, and has done the job well since. Since 2015-ish though it was just not up to the job but I grudged paying for a MBP that was a one-off deal with limited upgradeability, but for the upgradeability of my 2011 MBP it would have gone end-of-life in 2014 for me. For me, that early 2011 MBP was just perfect, a perfectly engineered bit of kit that lasted way beyond anything I could have hoped for, it made Apple nothing in money beyond 2011 though and that's not exactly good corporate business.TBH these days all the premium windows machines are starting to go the way of Apple pricing anyway, given what you get. SP4, SB, Razer [ok, they've always been expensive]. You can't count the more modular, larger windows laptops because it's not generally a fair comparison in quality, fit/finish, battery life or power draw. Sure, you can buy an MSI or an Asus for a grand less, but they're 2 inches thick, plastic, and generally have lackluster TN panel 1080 displays. Alienware are a bit more solid, but when you move up into the 2k area with premium components you're climbing into premium price territory again, and those things are HEAVY AS ALL GET OUT!
The sad truth is that there's really nothing SPECIAL about the 2016 MbP. It's got it's Touch Bar gimmick [similar to the SB detachable keyboard or Razer Chroma keyboard] and it's got OS/X and a VERY extremely well integrated ecosystem between phone, pad, and laptop.... but hardware wise it's really not a heck of a lot different than ANY of those aforementioned premium machines [specs and pricing fluctuate a little, but fit/finish/battery life are typically really close]
Hold the torches and the pitchforks guys, I'm not done yet
That's not saying that the 2016 MbP isn't a great machine in it's own right: The performance you get out of the 35w R9 460 is absolutely PHENOMENAL for a 35w card, the 15" i7 may not be as fast as my 7700k, but it's a very solid performer in it's own right, and the machine as a whole runs cool enough for heavy transcoding and other heavy lifting tasks.
Also, the force touch track pad, which I just used to look up the correct spelling for Phenomenal.
And as I stated in my last post, here's where Apple really DOES excel: it does what it does while being an EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE machine to use. Razer 14" will kill your neck after an hour. the 17" will randomly shut down on you [seriously, Lisa W/ Mobiletechreview reviewed it and had the same problem I did with the thing] SB too top heavy, SP4 kinda sorta but not really mappable [I hate that word].
Of course all of the above is subjective, but the best machine for you is the one you can use for hours and not feel like you got hit by a truck, you can get things done on, and can ultimately enjoy using. For some people, that's a huge desktop replacement laptop. . . and if you only want to have ONE computer to rule them all, I can see the allure. As for me, I'll stick with the MbP. Sure, it doesn't have a GTX 1080, and it doesn't work [for now] with the Razer Core, and I have to boot into Windows to play FFXIV [because the Mac client is complete trash] but at least I have a SOLID DEPENDABLE Machine I can sit here and write books in forums on without destroying the muscles under my shoulder blades
Sorry for the long post guys. . . . that whole objectivity thing ya know
I want a machine that I can use as a mobile workstation for when I can't access my full-fat workstation at home. I'm on the road too much and really need a solid machine.
In two/three years time, when the new technologies are around I'll be able to upgrade a substantial portion of this machine myself without risk of damaging it or paying for a specialist service. I'm not keen on digging out my soldering iron from my spares cupboard either... Also, if I wanted, I could simply bin this one and get a brand new tech replacement in two years time and still have spare money left from buying my new machine over a replacement MBP. If I burn it out due to lower build quality then so be it, it's got a three year full warranty included free of charge with a new-for-old clause.
I really do want a MBP, if Apple announced today that they were going back to producing proper machines built to proper standards, i.e. pre-2013 (ish) then I'd probably still buy one. I still want a new Mac Pro as well, that's one that's into 2018, maybe, if they can somehow get the tech specs past the aesthetic design committees trying to make it thinner and more glamorous.
I don't get those who are getting all defensive about Apple... Apple are the ones who are pushing away customers by chasing the churn money through early obsolesence and high prices these days. If more like me walk then Apple will either reverse their process deterioration or come clean that they're chasing the marketing bucks and are really a tech version of Nike where they're nothing but a marketing house
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Yep, some very good Dells out there, I do like them but they didn't have what I wanted beyond kit with 2016 specs. Dell have upped their game from a few years ago but they still have serious issues around support and service (at least they do here in the UK).
I disagree, you get more ports, you get a 4k screen, a better keyboard, its faster. The laptop is more upgradable, and costs less then the MBP. That's more then two departments
In fact in nearly every metric that is important, the Dell does beat the MBP
I disagree, you get more ports, you get a 4k screen, a better keyboard, its faster. The laptop is more upgradable, and costs less then the MBP. That's more then two departments
In fact in nearly every metric that is important, the Dell does beat the MBP
Well, we already had a very extensive discussion about it, so I won't start it again. In the end it depends how you count.
Agreed, but you were the one who revisited it by saying the XPS beats the the MBP in only two categories, and so I pointed out that's not true.
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Some people are very emotionally invested in Apple and love apple for a variety of reasons. I've been a fan of Apple since the Macintosh SE days, but that doesn't mean I always bought Macs. Back in the day, the platform wars reached religious war proportions and so seeing some folks today defend apple no matter what, is not surprising. I don't knock them either. If they're happy with what they have, more power to them.
I only worry about myself and I really do try to buy the best tool for the job, but I do love how Apple designs its equipment and the MBP is a beautiful machine, no question. Personally, I go beyond that and try to determine if the laptop (any laptop) provides value for my limited funds. Most of the time MacBook Pros have, I have long said the 2012 rMBP was (and is) the best laptop I've ever owned.
Now that I'm looking for a 15" laptop (or will be by the fall), I feel for my needs, the MBP is not fully meeting that criteria, perhaps the 2017 model will change that opinion, because there are things I do like about it but there are things about the MBP I do not like. I'll wait and see what WWDC brings for OSX and whether Apple addresses the shortcomings in the MBP in the next version.
Being a fairly new owner of a Mac, (Early 2015 MBP 13), I have been able to experience the platform at probably its finest. Maybe if I was switching to one of the 2016 models, today, it would have been a struggle. I bought mine while visiting the US and realized after returning, I would need a thunderbolt GB Ethernet adapter. It was a huge struggle finding and spending an additional 50% to buy it. I needed it though, because wired networks are more accessible here.
Apart from that, the machine has been solid, but within the last 6 months, I noticed the lamination on the display started stripping. I came across an article on Macrumors with information about getting it fixed. Unfortunately, its expensive to travel to the US and I only visit for business purposes, so I won't be there until around spring of 2018. Hopefully, the warranty on this particular repair (3 years after purchase), will hold out until then. I have a copy of the page I will be carrying as proof along with my receipt.
Its unfortunate something like this is happening on such a high quality product (5 years after the first generation). I have an HP Elitebook, Surface Pro 3, Acer Aspire and never seen anything like this happen on any of them. So, after spending nearly $1,600, I was expecting better from Apple.
I checked out the 2016 model briefly last year, had no intention whatsoever in buying one. The keyboard just like the 12 inch MacBook is startlingly weird. Taking into account all my existing peripherals, such as my DELL monitor, USB A devices, it would be a struggle integrating it (dongle life). That said, USB C is the future of the Mac and I think once Apple recoups the cost of production on this revision, the 2017 and 2018 models pricing will will come back in alignment with previous generations. Right now, its an expensive must have for those who need it. That said, if you are on a 2015, 2014 or 2013 model, you can still can skip this generation for a while.
With all the negatives and quirks mentioned, I have come to love macOS (well I have since OS X back in 2001 when I first saw the photo realistic icons and GUI). I have already made up my mind, my next major notebook purchase will be a Mac, but probably not until 2020. I might segway between now and then between either a Surface laptop or an entry level Surface Book.
I am also thinking about an iPad Pro with smart keyboard next year, but I won't commit to that until I see how Apple handles the repair of the display on my Early 2015, when I travel to the US next year.
Apart from that, the machine has been solid, but within the last 6 months, I noticed the lamination on the display started stripping. I came across an article on Macrumors with information about getting it fixed. Unfortunately, its expensive to travel to the US and I only visit for business purposes, so I won't be there until around spring of 2018. Hopefully, the warranty on this particular repair (3 years after purchase), will hold out until then. I have a copy of the page I will be carrying as proof along with my receipt.
Its unfortunate something like this is happening on such a high quality product (5 years after the first generation). I have an HP Elitebook, Surface Pro 3, Acer Aspire and never seen anything like this happen on any of them. So, after spending nearly $1,600, I was expecting better from Apple.
I checked out the 2016 model briefly last year, had no intention whatsoever in buying one. The keyboard just like the 12 inch MacBook is startlingly weird. Taking into account all my existing peripherals, such as my DELL monitor, USB A devices, it would be a struggle integrating it (dongle life). That said, USB C is the future of the Mac and I think once Apple recoups the cost of production on this revision, the 2017 and 2018 models pricing will will come back in alignment with previous generations. Right now, its an expensive must have for those who need it. That said, if you are on a 2015, 2014 or 2013 model, you can still can skip this generation for a while.
With all the negatives and quirks mentioned, I have come to love macOS (well I have since OS X back in 2001 when I first saw the photo realistic icons and GUI). I have already made up my mind, my next major notebook purchase will be a Mac, but probably not until 2020. I might segway between now and then between either a Surface laptop or an entry level Surface Book.
I am also thinking about an iPad Pro with smart keyboard next year, but I won't commit to that until I see how Apple handles the repair of the display on my Early 2015, when I travel to the US next year.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/02/facebook-surveillance-tech-ethics
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/01/facebook-advertising-data-insecure-teens
It is their business model to make money from user data. Its not Apple's business model.
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Hopefully they sort that. I had a friend ditch his Macbook for a 2015 13" machine because he had to return 3-4 Retina Macbooks in about 6 weeks due to keyboard failures (various keys just stopped registering). Otherwise he LOVED that machine - just couldn't afford to keep wasting time returning them and restoring to a new one all the time.
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Crypto isn't a silver bullet. It depends who holds the keys and how many of them there are.
You can have crypto everywhere - if the government has a key, or has compromised either the server or your machine so it can look at the data before it is encrypted or after it is decrypted, you're still exposed.
I don't want to leave the Mac ecosystem, I'm just not thrilled with the current offering of 15" MacBook Pros. $300 higher price for the touchbar gimmick and no physical escape key. Everything else I could live with and be happy with. Would it be nice to have 32GB of RAM? Yes but I can live without that for a few more years if I have to. I'd like them to offer the exact same machine for $300 less without the touchbar, and I know I'm not alone in this desire. That's a machine I'd buy.
That's my #1 concern as this laptop will not be used by just myself, but also my daughters for their school work. If I feel the keyboard is too fragile, then I'll find a laptop that offers a better experience,
Well stated.
The XPS is a good machine. As stated elsewhere, as a result of the MBP/TB shortcomings for us, and of course the concerns about repair (have had keyboards replaced and batteries - each if not under warranty costing more than $1,000), etc., we are running tests on the XPS15. Impressed to date, but will run for a full six months before a decision is made.
Will be interesting to see how or if indeed Apple meets the valid criticism head on...
I get where you're coming from here, I really do. I grew up with computers, watched as Moore's law caused an explosion of performance every new generation. I was in awe and even to this day I'll dump massive cash on my addictions for the latest greatest performance parts and machines.
But let's face it: We haven't seen a really compelling reason to upgrade since Sandy Bridge. Intel is at the end of their rope and Nvidia PROBABLY doesn't have something as magical as Pascal coming out next year. The PC market is stagnant, and OEMs are doing everything they can to squeeze every drop of performance out of their machines. Soldering everything together on the mainboard reduces latency [and theoretically power draw]
At the end of the day, even the 2016 MbP has a 5+ year life cycle even without being able to upgrade, simply due to the stagnation of performance improvements year on year. I know that view isn't for everyone, but I'll gladly sacrifice upgradability knowing that in 2-3 years I'll only see a 10-15% improvement in CPU performance in a day and age where most performance is overkill for the generic user anyway. Now, MAYBE Ryzen will change that, but it's way too soon to tell at this point.
I said Apple slipped up...in other words, had a misstep. Apple has not addressed the pro market with the available chips out there. They can come out with a very Apple MBP and use better chips while not compromising their ethos.
The ATI chips can be replaced with NVIDIA, Apple can get them selves the latest from Intel who is rushing out chips now to compete with AMD. Apple can use faster more current memory, instead of legacy memory. There are improvements in these details that would hush everyone.
I have to agree. I see that the machines are not hundred percent ideal but they are far from awful (I mean have y'all worked with a windows computer? Those are truly horrifying). Yes, they are too expensive and that is a huge problem but it's not a bad machine. I think they really should have waited until WWDC this year. But again, a lot of Pro Users would have been pissed and switched to Windows (or at least said so). So, yeah. Not the best but far from the worst. And Mac is far superior in some use cases. I am currently studying Software Engineering and in my class it's 40/60 on Windows and Mac (with mac being the 60%). And some Windows users are contemplating if they should switch to Mac, as we have far less problems.
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Soooo, you compared specs from a Mac with a Windows Computer? You just assumed that it was underpowered? I get it, Money is a factor when you have to make a decision but to solely base your decision around specs is just not enough when it comes to Mac. Macbooks with "less" power perform better than most Windows Computers out there with better specs, as the software is optimized for the machine. Of course, if you wanted a gaming machine you have to go with Windows but why did you buy a Mac in the first place?
I hope you'll be happy with Windows but I just have to say that I think you overreacted a bit. Price is a viable problem but blaming Apple for the 6th Gen i7 is just wrong. Intel is at fault here. Of course Apple could have waited until WWDC but that would not have changed your decision as there was no new MBP to choose from when you needed it.
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