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63dot said:
they had very little trouble dismantling saddam in the first gulf war
Comes back to the SAS again. General Peter de la Billiere convinced Stormin' Norman to send in the special forces and weaken the Republican Guard's anti-aircraft capability prior to the main assault. By the time they'd done their stuff, the USAF and RAF could go in and bomb the hell out of the Republican Guard with no comeback.

I felt sorry for the Iraqis to be honest. Saddam ordered them into Kuwait then ordered them to sit there and defend it, with the only outcome being total annihilation. No wonder so many of them were found wandering dazed in the desert, and they were the lucky ones.
 
I remember the SAS taking out a whole load of Cruise misiles in the Gulf war... with knives.

Loads of the things they took out, how? buy sneaking in using special techniques of evasion to get to the men controlling them and slitting there throat from behind (so deep that you hit the neck and hear no more gargling)
 
ham_man said:
Wanna talk about the pot calling the kettle black... :rolleyes:

Yeah sure...

I can pick through any amount of your posts if you like? Including private messages preaching to someone on a subject you blatantly know nothing about.

So yeah, lets talk about it hammy

"we're the best, 'cos we does got the biggest nukes, we'll blow the koreans up in 30 minutes" yeah..
 
BakedBeans said:
Yeah sure...

I can pick through any amount of your posts if you like? Including private messages preaching to someone on a subject you blatantly know nothing about.

So yeah, lets talk about it hammy

"we're the best, 'cos we does got the biggest nukes, we'll blow the koreans up in 30 minutes" yeah..
No no no. The Americans say, "the americans have the most elite soldiers in the Special Forces"; the Brits (well, you) say, "the SAS pwnzors the american special forces. AMERICAN SPECIAL FORCES SuCK! AMERICANS ARE EGOTISTICAL"

Dude. They are on par. As an American, I would much rather be on the side with the SAS than the side without. And, I am sure that the SAS would much rather be on the side with the American Special Forces than on the side without. What the hell are we arguing about? You're inability to recognize that the American army does have its merits...or...nope, thats it...

And what the hell is this deal with knives? What does it matter if they use rocks or guns con silencers or knives or bananas...? :confused:
 
I'll add another vote for Rome.

BTW... the arguments about the "weakness" of the US military because of Iraq seem to completely miss the point of what constitutes military strength. The reason the US is still in Iraq is because they are trying to ensure a stable government is installed, not because they had any trouble defeating the Iraqi military.
 
BakedBeans said:
Well, that is an improvement over "most elite force the world has ever known"

I don't know who wrote the books you have read but i am willing to be it was an ex us army/navy/airforce guy.

The general consensus is that delta are pretty much a joke and that the who american army isn't the brightest bunch of sparks. Im not saying it because i don't like america or anything (i have many times thought about moving there) but the forces are widely known to be poor comparatively.

the sas and sbs (the sbs more so) are "were its at"

Wow, I realize you have a lot of pride in your little country over there, but come on. Where do you get this stuff? Does it hurt your own ego too much to acknowledge that the US has a good military? Sounds like a lot of bad sterotypes caught up in your head. (not really anything new on these boards.. but...:rolleyes: )

I don't even like the military, war, the administration, whatever. But insinuating that the US army is stupid or saying that nothing in the US military compares to the SAS is ridiculous. Would England's military even be in the top ten at this point?
 
decksnap said:
Would England's military even be in the top ten at this point?

1) It's the UK, not England.
2) Yes it would, and is internationally recognised as such.
 
decksnap said:
I realize you have a lot of pride in your little country over there, but come on.

This little country?

The one that has to change your metaphorical nappies (sorry "dypers") every time we go to war?

Would England's military even be in the top ten at this point?

Sir, No Sir. Your bombs are much bigger than ours, Sir. You are almighty america, Sir.

You can beat the rest of the world if you wanted to, sir.

Even Vietnam, sir.
 
BakedBeans said:
This little country?

The one that has to change your metaphorical nappies (sorry "dypers") every time we go to war?

Hmm yes. Very mature. Don't you go to war when we tell you to go to war? :rolleyes:

OK I'm done. :eek:
 
decksnap said:
Wow, I realize you have a lot of pride in your little country over there, but come on. Where do you get this stuff? Does it hurt your own ego too much to acknowledge that the US has a good military? Sounds like a lot of bad sterotypes caught up in your head. (not really anything new on these boards.. but...:rolleyes: )

A good military, no we don't, we just spend a lot of money on our military to make it look good.

I mean just look at how good our military has done in korea, vietnam, and iraq. Wooo go US military.


And anyways the best superpower by far is of course the JLU
 
I would have to vote of Alexander the great, it says he is great in his name for crying out loud. The odds vs him where huge, if i have my number right he won a battle with 50,000 men vs something like 250,0000. He controlled a very small country which took over all greece, middle east, egypt and india.

British empire comes 2nd.
 
If they all had to fight, the USA, as nukes come to mind (and we have the most) when placing them in context of there time.. the British or Roman empire.. as for lasting effects on my life Roman empire(US is not inculded because i live in it)
 
ham_man said:
FINALLY! Something we can all agree on! :D

the SAS are great, and delta force are great, and the justice league are even better than the both of them, but who can beat austin powers?...well, maybe only his swedish love pump :)
 
eva01 said:
I mean just look at how good our military has done in korea, vietnam, and iraq. Wooo go US military.
That comment seems to willfully ignore historical context. The US military could have utterly annihilated any of those countries without ever resorting to nuclear weapons. They, however, chose to try and avoid civilian casualties instead of completely annihilating an enemy, as many of the other historical superpowers would have done to their enemies.

In any war designed to bring an opposing nation and its government to the point of surrender, the US is absolutely unequaled in the world today and they are far from incompetent.
 
Heb1228 said:
In any war designed to bring an opposing nation and its government to the point of surrender, the US is absolutely unequaled in the world today and they are far from incompetent.

Thanks for the laugh.. that incompetent comment really cracked me up. :)
 
Heb1228 said:
That comment seems to willfully ignore historical context. The US military could have utterly annihilated any of those countries without ever resorting to nuclear weapons. They, however, chose to try and avoid civilian casualties instead of completely annihilating an enemy, as many of the other historical superpowers would have done to their enemies.

In any war designed to bring an opposing nation and its government to the point of surrender, the US is absolutely unequaled in the world today and they are far from incompetent.

the usa could have won in vietnam and made them the 51st state, and they could have annexed somalia in the 1990s and iraq a couple of years ago and made them a part of the united states if the will was there

but let's say the will was there, and the united states, who were the most instrumental nation in beating hitler and tojo, was willing to take over vietnam, somalia, and iraq, did so, then what would the moral outcome be?

i have no doubt that the united states could take over a dozen times those three countries but in the 21st century, is that how things are done?

we are not the empires of portugal, spain, france, and the united kingdom and we should not try, in this day and age, to do so even though we could if we wanted to

the united states could blow up the world many times over...should it?

and if there is a god, like i believe, he would not allow the usa to be a modern day rome (but why god allowed alexander the great and rome to exist and won't, in my opinion, allow the usa to do the same is a mystery to me

i believe we are in the last days, as mentioned in revealation, and maybe it's my personal bias that the usa will not end up being the world power run by the anti-christ bent on world domination

...but george w. bush seems to fit the bill better than any world leader i have ever seen in my life
 
63dot said:
we are not the empires of portugal, spain, france, and the united kingdom and we should not try, in this day and age, to do so even though we could if we wanted to


You could if you wanted to? Well, that might be true of tiny little places like somalia and 'nam but I think you might get a little resistance from russia, europe, china etc.
 
BakedBeans said:
You could if you wanted to? Well, that might be true of tiny little places like somalia and 'nam but I think you might get a little resistance from russia, europe, china etc.

sure the usa would get resistance, and it would take an insane leader of the usa to try anything that stupid...hmm, come to think of it...well, that's for the political forums and i can't wait until i have enough posts (100?) to lay in on old george

with russia, when they were the soviet union, war with them meant mutually assured destruction and the end of the world

but now with one superpower, there would be nobody to stop them and the iraq war now is an example of no strong nations (militarily) to oppose the usa to go into a country which had nothing to do with 9-11 and attack them on the charges of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction...and now that the truth is out and there are even republicans questioning our moves in recent years, i feel ashamed and responsible in some way...and i didn't even vote for president bush
 
63dot said:
...and i didn't even vote for president bush

I'm not a Bush fan either...but I always wonder how Gore would have handled 9-11 if he had been elected. Scary. Kerry creeps me out too. I hope the next election give us some decent choices. But no matter who it is or which party they come from.... there gonna be something someone doesn't like.

As far as the strongest power goes.... Well seeing that we are on MacRumors...I'd say the US. Its the country where Apple is located :D
 
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