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The Thrill is Gone
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I'm looking forward to the next great innovation in computers, the tablet computer. I'm not an artist but I think touching the screen is going to be awesome. I tried one at the store and it felt a lot better than it looked like it would. Everything just becomes intuitive when you can touch it. It takes out a little bit of the effort when you can just touch something compared to moving your hand to the mouse, moving the mouse pointer to the thing, then clicking. The only annoying thing about the interface is having to move my hands back to the keyboard to type. I kept expecting a soft keyboard to pop up when I touched a text input. When they make a soft keyboard standard, most people will throw away their keyboards. This is going to be an amazing paradigm shift for computer UI and apple seems to be dead set against it. I know apple thought of people replacing laptops with tablets, but their refusal to put macos on a tablet means we are going to be waiting a long time or forever to get our applications ported to ios.
I think it was $4400 to get it loaded and have 32gb ram. It doesn't come out until march anyway.
Surface book is the appropriate comparison, in which case, the new MBP isn't even in the innovative ballpark.
Sure, you now have a touch bar for a few hundred extra dollars with the MBP, but with the surface book you have a laptop with full touch screen, you can twist the touch screen around and fold it and have a sloped tablet experience while still using the laptop grade performance, or you can flat out remove the screen and have a mobile tablet.
I don't know about you, but I think that's so much more innovative than a simple touch bar. It's strange that Microsoft of all companies built the computer that I thought Apple would have made.
A lot the design professionals I know are extremely interested in the Surface Studio, most are now keenly watching the software development and more inclined to jump on the release of the second generation of the Studio as they rely on their hardware for a living. The Studio is a very niche product, equally I can see it`s uses, my daughter is a keen digital artist I could certainly see her using the Surface Studio in a couple of years.
Personally I have already made the "switch" professionally replacing my outgoing 13" rMBP with a Surface Book with no complaints to date, nor do I anticipate any...
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Exactly my own thoughts
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I tend to think the opposite, had Apple released the Studio it would have WOW`d many, exactly the way Studio has done for Microsoft. Undoubtedly the Studio has it`s shortcomings, equally it`s unique and a Gen 1 product, very much the first of it`s kind. As with all Microsoft`s hardware they will work with their customers to bring an improved model to market year on year, as Microsoft has done with the Surface Pro.
As for Apple`s desktop`s Apple will update them in it`s own good time. Apple has always marched to the beat of it`s own drum, not others.
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I sadly am with you. Same feeling not only for MacBook pro but latest iPhone, iPad, as well. Things just don't feel like they're moving anymore. It feels like a standstill with small changes.
[doublepost=1478869947][/doublepost]Apple is looking a whole lot like Microsoft did back in the day :-( Bad Apple I put it all out there ....
I'm digging the new iPhone 7 Plus with 256GB storage
Some people don't get it, but I don't think it's a mystery why people are angry about the new Macbook Pro. Not enough changes, overly-large price increase and needing overly-expensive dongles. I mean, seriously their spare AC adapter does NOT ahip with a USB-C power able, that's separate?
Apple products have always been premium, but lately Apple is truly abusing the loyalty of Apple fans in a cash grab.
I mean that there doesn't feel like any groundbreaking innovation anymore. I like the new touch bar on the MBP but thats literally it.
I agree that the SB is the best comparison, but not a perfect one as it's got a low powered 15 watt processor (even the new i7 model just released I believe), whereas the MBPs use 28 and 45 watt chips depending on the model. Still, I agree with you that MS is really innovating with their Surface line.
I recently sold my 15 inch 2012 MBPR and bought a new SB (i5 model with Nvidia graphics). The price from BB after all promotional and discounts was $1,250. I'm in IT consulting and use this primarily for work and some photo editing. I love it and it fits my needs. Apple's slow pace of bringing innovation to market has left the door open to Microsoft and other competitors (IMHO of course). Microsoft is stepping up and offering some very compelling alternatives. Some people... like me... are going to jump ship!
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And I feel like now is a bad time because so many of us hardcore fans are starting to linger elsewhere. But then again according to the data these are flying off the shelves...so obviously many people feel differently.
Did you try it with the Pen? no need to touch the keyboard; just tap the onscreen Keyboard, if the pen is active you get a pop up and write directly onto the display.
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Poor ergonomics? It's designed to mirror the ergonomics of drafting tables - like the ones used by architects, engineers, and at Disney for 70 years.
It has perfect ergonomics.
My old drafting table is counter-weighted. Anyone know what the new Surface is like if you're leaning on it when it's at an angle that isn't flat? Also you tend to use a drafting table at a stool, and leaning pretty much your whole upper half onto it, Surface seems too small to really do this. Also that dial thing, does it stick to the screen so it doesn't fall off if you're using it vertically? If it does then wouldn't putting it and using it on the table slowly make it collect dust and just be a pain to use?
Very interested in the Surface computer, but I think it needs a few generations of development to be truly functional.
Then again, a lot of people (most likely professionals considering the price point) get along very well with Wacom's Cintiq line, so I don't really get what all the fuss about ergonomics is about.
I've already mentioned the Cintiq in a previous post. A Cintiq HD and a high spec computer would run about the same cost and offers far more flexibility. The Surface is at the moment, a luxury. If they somehow got the cost down to be more of an educational item I think it could do well. But at those professional costs I don't see a mass uptake.
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"I've been a diehard Apple user for over 20 years and for the first time I'm very disappointed with Apple for leaving desktop users behind like we no longer matter."
The reason Apple hasn't introduced new desktops (yet) is that the appropriate hardware that will be required for releasing a new desktop line isn't available (yet).
Or, to put it another way, the CPU's available -now- would not yield a "big enough jump forward" for Apple.
It's not that they want to "leave desktop users behind".
It's that they want to offer them "a solid jump forward".
As of yet, they can't.
When the CPU's appear, so will the new iMacs (and hopefully, new Minis and Mac Pros's).
"I've been a diehard Apple user for over 20 years and for the first time I'm very disappointed with Apple for leaving desktop users behind like we no longer matter."
The reason Apple hasn't introduced new desktops (yet) is that the appropriate hardware that will be required for releasing a new desktop line isn't available (yet).
Or, to put it another way, the CPU's available -now- would not yield a "big enough jump forward" for Apple.
It's not that they want to "leave desktop users behind".
It's that they want to offer them "a solid jump forward".
As of yet, they can't.
When the CPU's appear, so will the new iMacs (and hopefully, new Minis and Mac Pros's).
That doesn't have anything to do with ergonomics, though, does it?
Furthermore the Surface starts at 3000$, the 27" Cintiq Touch costs 2800$ and while you could argue about the Cintiq being better than the Studio's screen, it's not cheaper.
To be honest I'm completely lost with this thread now, it's gone around in so many circles and now talking about ergonomics? Yes there are some expensive tablets out there but most people who use them have the cheaper $1000 ones, which sit nicely on your lap/desk. Ergonomically... They tend to be more comfortable as you can use them how you want, and change positions easily like go sit on the couch, on your lap in the chair, or perched up on your desk. I think my previous post was more about the ergonomics of it, you just brought up the Cintiq and cost.