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The True Detective Season 1 (HBO) Thread *SPOILERS*
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If I could give you an award for posting the most awesome thing I've ever seen on the internet, I would.
And those examples illustrate very clearly how even the best TV shows eventually run out of good material.
Marty and Rustin won't be back for True Detective Season 2. They couldn't, even if they wanted to. We know where they end up. We've gotten the best, most interesting bits of their stories over the part seventeen years.
haha, not taking any credit for this one! But imagine they'd included the 'orginal' logo from Lucas Arts at the beginning though ... that yellow king!
If only that crown had five instead of six spikes!
...But imagine they'd included the 'orginal' logo from Lucas Arts at the beginning though ... that yellow king!
...it all makes sense now.
Brilliant. If it weren't Cranston's last chance, McConaughey would take the Best Actor Emmy. Absolutely incredible.
Deeply satisfying I have to say. Hope they'll release the bluray soonish so I can actually understand a thing here, last dialogue was almost inaudible.
And Rust really got cruicified...
Funny: I've bought this stars lithography by Thomas Ruff two weeks ago.
Edit: this* IMDB board post is off the hook! Most of the topics there are a lame back an forth why this show is god given / god awful but I found this really interesting as it fully fleshes out one of the equally dominant and obvious layers of the show that I personally have next to no knowledge about, except that I've read and liked Lovecraft. Loved this post especially as the connection of the Islamic theme regarding darkness(es) and The Green Man is really exciting. Already ordered Chambers book - you can read it online for free here.
* hmmm. link doesn't really work that well. Here's the post. OP is an interesting read too.
"(i'm french so sorry in advance)
I think i can help for understanding Rust vision.
I think there is also some kind of islamic mysticism influence mixed with christian mysticism (to be fair there is a lot of common ground between the two).
Usually in a lot of mystical tradition you have to go through hell in order to change. In True detective, this hell is symbolise by Carcosa (shh i don't understand why so many people hate the final, Carcosa is certainly one of the best depiction of hell in a tv serie).
What the travel through hell produce in gnostic story is essentialy a dissolution of the ego, where the individual came back into nothingness. But it's by this dissolution that change can occur.
Now, to came back into the islamic tradition we have to understand that the mystic as to turn into is internal world in order to know God. But this internal travel is not without danger, and islamic mystic has made a great job in trying to map this travel.
Remember when Rust says he saw two kind of Darkness. It's the exact same things in islam.
When you turn inward you have first to travel the first Darkness, which is only Darkness, who can catch Light and block her.
And there is the 2nd Darkness which is call "luminous Blackness" or "the Night of Light".
The first Darkness, is the darkness that prevent seeing.
The second one however is what can't be seen because, as the absolute subject(God or transcendatal subject if you are a kantian ) it is the cause of seeing.
So the Black light is essentialy "what make one see but is itself invisible". Essentialy when a mystic encounter this Black light it's the stage of the reasorbtion into god. I think it's what happens to Rust when he says something as "it's like we are all connected".
Another things that says to me that islam mysticism can be of some help to understand the ending of True detectiv is the place of Al-Khidr.
You see, Al-Khidr is the one who guide the mystics into there travel. It helps anyone who is seeking God. He is essentialy the one who initiate the mystics.
Do you want to know his nickname? "Green man".
Yep, i really think that the badguy is some kind of depiction of Green man. And in some way it's essentially what happens in Carcosa. Rust was initiated to some kind of mystical knowledge.
(But Al-Khidr is a good guy normally, don't know why he will take the face of a murderer)
And for the last : One of the point in a mystical initiation is to create the "interior men". In christian gnosis, it's Christ (who has to be understood as an interior figure), in islam it's the man of light. Which seems exactly what Rust as become at the end.
Now this "interior man" as for function to reunite the individual to the other world. He is the world who pass things through the divine world to the material world."
And Rust really got cruicified...
Funny: I've bought this stars lithography by Thomas Ruff two weeks ago.
Edit: this* IMDB board post is off the hook! Most of the topics there are a lame back an forth why this show is god given / god awful but I found this really interesting as it fully fleshes out one of the equally dominant and obvious layers of the show that I personally have next to no knowledge about, except that I've read and liked Lovecraft. Loved this post especially as the connection of the Islamic theme regarding darkness(es) and The Green Man is really exciting. Already ordered Chambers book - you can read it online for free here.
* hmmm. link doesn't really work that well. Here's the post. OP is an interesting read too.
"(i'm french so sorry in advance)
I think i can help for understanding Rust vision.
I think there is also some kind of islamic mysticism influence mixed with christian mysticism (to be fair there is a lot of common ground between the two).
Usually in a lot of mystical tradition you have to go through hell in order to change. In True detective, this hell is symbolise by Carcosa (shh i don't understand why so many people hate the final, Carcosa is certainly one of the best depiction of hell in a tv serie).
What the travel through hell produce in gnostic story is essentialy a dissolution of the ego, where the individual came back into nothingness. But it's by this dissolution that change can occur.
Now, to came back into the islamic tradition we have to understand that the mystic as to turn into is internal world in order to know God. But this internal travel is not without danger, and islamic mystic has made a great job in trying to map this travel.
Remember when Rust says he saw two kind of Darkness. It's the exact same things in islam.
When you turn inward you have first to travel the first Darkness, which is only Darkness, who can catch Light and block her.
And there is the 2nd Darkness which is call "luminous Blackness" or "the Night of Light".
The first Darkness, is the darkness that prevent seeing.
The second one however is what can't be seen because, as the absolute subject(God or transcendatal subject if you are a kantian
) it is the cause of seeing.So the Black light is essentialy "what make one see but is itself invisible". Essentialy when a mystic encounter this Black light it's the stage of the reasorbtion into god. I think it's what happens to Rust when he says something as "it's like we are all connected".
Another things that says to me that islam mysticism can be of some help to understand the ending of True detectiv is the place of Al-Khidr.
You see, Al-Khidr is the one who guide the mystics into there travel. It helps anyone who is seeking God. He is essentialy the one who initiate the mystics.
Do you want to know his nickname? "Green man".
Yep, i really think that the badguy is some kind of depiction of Green man. And in some way it's essentially what happens in Carcosa. Rust was initiated to some kind of mystical knowledge.
(But Al-Khidr is a good guy normally, don't know why he will take the face of a murderer)
And for the last : One of the point in a mystical initiation is to create the "interior men". In christian gnosis, it's Christ (who has to be understood as an interior figure), in islam it's the man of light. Which seems exactly what Rust as become at the end.
Now this "interior man" as for function to reunite the individual to the other world. He is the world who pass things through the divine world to the material world."
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