The Truth About AT&T Network

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  1. myphone macrumors 6502

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  2. Vandam500 macrumors 68000

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    This statement here:

    "Plus, AT&T gives you access to over 100,000 apps so you can track your flight, translate a word, play a game, scan a barcode and much, much more. "

    Is so unbelievably misleading. No where does it say you need a iPhone to have those apps. So anybody reading that and doesn't know much about it will get screwed over when they purchase a phone that isn't a iPhone and don't even have access to 50 apps let alone 100,000.

    I can seriously see a lawsuit coming if they don't fix it to say it's only for the iPhone
     
  3. TEG macrumors 604

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    Sounds like they are trying to build some positive PR.

    As for the App thing, Apple is not the only company that has Apps. All the WinMo phones have Apps, as do most of the new Nokia and Samsung phones, and that is not even counting the Android phones coming soon.

    TEG
     
  4. Blazer24K macrumors member

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    The "truth" is that it's mostly EDGE....

    But I will say this - AT&T got hosed on the ruling that allowed Verizon to keep showing AT&T's coverage map. The reality is that the map Verizon shows on-air is not accurate, even for just 3G coverage. Verizon's map doesn't even show my tiny little neck of the woods (tuscaloosa, al) as having 3G coverage, even though we do. I would have to assume there are hundreds of other areas around the US going unaccounted for as well.

    All that being said... It's nice to see AT&T get hosed for once considering they've been doing it to their customers for years. :p
     
  5. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Well what got AT&T hosed is Verizon proved that they pulled that map of AT&T OWN wireless web site. It not hard to find the 3G map is correct according to the Web site.
     
  6. strike1555 macrumors 6502

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    Ironic how they call Verizon misleading yet that page is absolutely full of deception.
     
  7. heavensblade23 macrumors regular

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    That's totally misleading...they're intentionally conflating 'coverage' with '3G coverage' when they are not the same.
     
  8. Dr Kevorkian94 macrumors 68020

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    that may mostly be edge but in all the big cites there is 3g and i think att should come out with a commercial like Verizon but with this map because all there counter were bad in my opinion.
     
  9. blancoBronco macrumors 6502a

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    Not really. Unless it says "3G", you can't assume that it is. If people want to think that all their coverage has 3G, AT&T is going to let them. It's up to the customer to know the difference
     
  10. ToroidalZeus macrumors 68020

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    That very well might be the textbook definition of deceptive marketing.
     
  11. aristobrat macrumors G4

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    Depends on how you define 'mostly'.

    In terms of miles covered, yes.
    In terms of population covered, no.
     
  12. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Don't act as is AT&T is the only one trying fool people. It was Verizon who made it seem like AT&T's 3G coverage maps meant coverage of everything. They knew exactly how to scare the ignorant which is most of the population. AT&T is just doing the same thing now, but in reverse.


    BTW ..... I had no clue about the A-list thing. Is that new?
     
  13. heavensblade23 macrumors regular

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    They talk about coverage and their 3G network in the same paragraph as if all their coverage is 3G coverage. That's no accident.
     
  14. blancoBronco macrumors 6502a

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    You don't know their intent. And don't say "ya, I do. why else would they..." No, you don't. You should know the difference. And if you don't, then work on your reading comprehension.

    Like I already said, if they don't directly say "our 3G coverage is..." then you cannot assume anything about it. They simply say "coverage", so as a reasonable person, you should understand that as the basic coverage, I.E. EDGE
     
  15. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    Not in the courts it isn't. Verizon proved that much. :)
     
  16. eyespii macrumors 6502

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    im willing to bet most people in this country don't know the difference between 3G and EDGE. In fact, I'll bet that most have never even heard of EDGE.
     
  17. heavensblade23 macrumors regular

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    My reading comprehension is fine, the issue here is that I didn't just fall off the turnip truck unlike some people.
     
  18. ToroidalZeus macrumors 68020

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    It really depends on the judge or the jurry.
     
  19. jav6454 macrumors P6

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    No... AT&T is defining coverage only (ie can be anything from pure GSM to HSDPA)... now if they said 3G coverage, then yes, tat would be deceptive.
     
  20. ToroidalZeus macrumors 68020

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    "Actual coverage area may differ substantially from map graphics"
     
  21. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    Their 3G coverage is 230 million or 75% of Americans, which is 70 million fewer people.

    They're also apparently counting roaming in that 300 million, and glossing over the fact that millions of those "covered" people cannot live and own an iPhone (much less any ATT phone) in those areas because they're not within range of ATT's own towers.
     
  22. waffle911 macrumors regular

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    Ya, we DO know their intent (it's inferred by context of their situation with Verizon). Or rather, we may not know definitely, but we have every reason to believe that this is the most likely intent on their part.

    AT&T is saying both that their "3G experience" is vastly superior to Verizon's, and that Verizon's ads are flat out lying about AT&T's "coverage". They fail to mention that Verizon is solely targeting AT&T's 3G coverage. Verizon makes their intent much more clear in this regard, that they only mean AT&T's 3G coverage, and they go so far as to put fine print that says this map is only representative of 3G data coverage and not of voice or slower data coverage. AT&T's wording is of that which is above the average American's ability to deconstruct and analyze for its true meaning without being specifically lead to do so, or having it pointed out to them. Misleading? Definitely. All they do is skirt around the awkward elephant in the room. That's mostly why Verizon won that lawsuit, is because Verizon specifically says "lack of 3G coverage". AT&T will say they have either or, but never both as one item, but say it in such a way as to sound like they are one item. Granted, Verizon is also playing a bit on consumer ignorance as to what 3G actually is and does (it doesn't help all that much with actual phone calls), and AT&T is making it a bit more clear that Verizon's map doesn't accurately represent AT&T's overall coverage. In my eyes, Verizon's the less guilty of two conmen.

    So if you live in a city with AT&T's 3G coverage, that's great. But if you don't, then AT&T's "superior 3G experience" doesn't do you any good, while Verizon's "perfectly acceptable" 3G in more areas does. It all depends on where you live/travel, and what your priorities are.
     
  23. blancoBronco macrumors 6502a

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    so, I'm right?
     
  24. hitman45400 macrumors regular

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    All i have to say to this is, 'Consumer Beware.'
    If the customer doesn't research what they are going to be buying, then odds are it's going to be a cheap phone where all they want to do is call, or they are just plain stupid.
    Before i make any purchase, i research it, and if people are getting pissed because they didn't take the time to look into a CONTRACT, then they don't deserve to complain, so take some personal responsibility.
    And how is this misleading? They DO have the largest coverage map, and nowhere on that page does it say the 3G is the same as the rest of the map.
    In no way is this misleading, you just have to pay attention.
    And my final point, more phones have apps then just the iPhone.
     
  25. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I find that AT&T marketing here is much more deceptive than what Verizon did. Verizon was crystal clear on what they were comparing.

    AT&T on the other had is trying to trick you into thinking otherwise.

    over 100k apps --- don't tell you it only on one phone
    Coverage -- imply that it is all 3G


    On Verizon they make it clear they are comparing 3G only. Now yes it tricks some people but for most people I think they can understand the difference. AT&T is much more difficult to figure out it out.
     

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