iPhone 8(+) The Verge: What if iPhone 8 Plus is better?

harpyeagle

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The author may have been hanging around here in MacRumors for long as I see all the points he is bringing up have already been discussed. Don't see anything new...
 
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iMi

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Well, in that case Jony Ives will have a heart attack and the words "incredible" and "amazing" will once again be used sporadically and in healthy proportion with the rest of the words in the English language.

Also, the world will probably end...
 
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Wackery

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Well, in that case Jony Ives will have a heart attack and the words "incredible" and "amazing" will once again be used sporadically and in healthy proportion with the rest of the world in the English language.

Also, the world will probably end...
I can already imagine Jony curled up in a ball, murmuring “seamless bezels” over and over
 
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kevjen888

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imo those people who keeps bring up 8 Plus is better than X are those folks who're trying to justify their purchases. no other way around it. X is clearly the flagship iphone, not even close. just like S8 and Note8 of Samsung, though two share most of the internal hardware, but it's clearly Note8 is a notch above S8 (no pun intended).
 

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imo those people who keeps bring up 8 Plus is better than X are those folks who're trying to justify their purchases. no other way around it. X is clearly the flagship iphone, not even close. just like S8 and Note8 of Samsung, though two share most of the internal hardware, but it's clearly Note8 is a notch above S8 (no pun intended).
What exactly has the X brought new to iPhones other than Face ID, gesture swipes, and new design?
 

lordofthereef

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What exactly has the X brought new to iPhones other than Face ID, gesture swipes, and new design?
The screen technology, for sure. I’m personally more pumped for the screen quality than any other feature that I can’t just get in another iPhone.

I’ve long thought the home button wasn’t necessary. Though idk if that’s bringing something new to iPhone more than taking something vestigial away.

At the end of the day you have three items that the phone brings new to the iPhone. I think that’s more impressive than most any other refresh. Usually there’s just one large bullet point.
 
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Benz63amg

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imo those people who keeps bring up 8 Plus is better than X are those folks who're trying to justify their purchases. no other way around it. X is clearly the flagship iphone, not even close. just like S8 and Note8 of Samsung, though two share most of the internal hardware, but it's clearly Note8 is a notch above S8 (no pun intended).
Iphone 8 Owners are totally trying to justify their purchase but nothing they say will change facts. The OLED display in the iPhone X by itself is light years ahead of the LCD that is present in the iPhone 8 / 8 Plus which makes buying the X worth over buying the 8
 
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cwosigns

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Valid points for sure (I actually picked up an 8 Plus but also plan on getting the X). And while I've been using Plus versions since the iPhone 6, rarely do I use them in landscape mode. If I want to watch a movie, I'll use my iPad. At least 90% of the time I use my phone in portrait orientation, and the X will give me more usable space I think. But time will tell I guess.
 

KingslayerG5

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Generation 1 (2007-2009)
iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3Gs

Generation 2 (2010-2013, 2016-Present)
iPhone 4
iPhone 4s
iPhone 5
iPhone 5c
iPhone 5s
iPhone SE

Generation 3 (2014-Present)
iPhone 6
iPhone 6s
iPhone 7
iPhone 8

Generation 4 (2017-Present)
iPhone X

Like automobiles, one design generation last 4-5 years even if only minor cosmetic changes. Not 2 years.



^ My 1999 Civic fell in the 6th gen (1996-2000). I could recognize one just by the tail lights being white/red.


The H8 with 8

I don't understand the hate on the 8 or double standards. It gets called iPhone 6sss or 7s for looking the same as the previous three models. But then people view 4 & 5 completely differently?

The 5s should be called the 4sss or 4sss Plus (0.5" increase). The 5 design even had strips of top and bottom glass at the back. The 4 was still in its cocoon before its final metamorphosis as the 5s / SE.



The gap between iPhone 6 to 8 (2014-2017) is wider than 4 to 5s (2010-2013). From 8 Plus (3rd gen) to X (4th gen) is smaller of a gap than 3Gs (1st gen) to 4 (2nd gen). Same SoC and amount of RAM. But many base upgrades superficially.

2G -> 3G, metal to plastic
4 -> 5, glass to metal
6 -> 8, metal to glass
X -> ?, glass to metal?

Gen 1
Multi-touch
320p
Cover Flow
Ambient sensor
Proximity sensor
Accelerometer
Skeuomorphism design
Copy & paste
Video recorder
128MB & 256MB RAM
Mini-sim

Gen 2
Retina Display
640p
FaceTime
Front camera
LED flash
Gyroscope
Fast App Switching (multi-task bar)
Dual core
Siri
iMessages
iCloud
Apple Maps
Touch ID
Dual-tone flash
Flat design
iOS4 - iOS7 (Forstall/Ive)
Wi-Fi "n"
4G
512MB & 1GB RAM
Micro and nano sim

Gen 3
Plus model
750p/1080p
Apple Pay
Force/3D Touch
Telephoto
Dual front speakers
Water/dust resistance
Raise to wake
True Tone display
2GB and 3GB RAM
Wi-Fi ac
Hexa-core
Wireless charging
Fast charging
Minus headphone jack

Gen 4
OLED
Gesture swipes
Face ID
Animojis
Minus home button
Minus Touch ID
Raise prices

^ Notice X's short list?

Gen 2 was the best to ever do it, feature-wise and design. Retina Display, FaceTime, iMessages, and part of iOS4 to iOS6/Forstall era/skeuomorphism. But it also made iOS uglier by 2013. Wished the flat design didn't come until 2014 by iPhone 6.

My personal picks to collect...
iPhone
iPhone SE
iPhone X

Add...
iPhone 7 (prefer metal)
iPhone 8 Plus (have one Plus)
iPhone 4s (strongest twin of the 4)
iPhone 3Gs (first internal upgrade)

Avoid the 6 and 6s. Adding a Plus model will add versatility in your lineup. Maybe keep 6s for being the last to have headphone jack for that size. But nah, rather have the matte 7. Too ugly antenna lines.

Keep it varied
Gen 1 pairs - 2G (1st), 3Gs (3rd)
Gen 2 pairs - 4s (2nd), SE (6th)
Gen 3 pairs - 7 (3rd), 8 Plus (4th)

My favorites from that group ^
1. iPhone SE (space gray)
2. iPhone X (silver)
3. iPhone 7 (matte black)
4. iPhone 8 Plus (silver, my lone white-front)
5. iPhone 4s (black)
6. iPhone
7. iPhone 3Gs (black)

Best design - Gen 2, 1, 4, 3
Best specs - Gen 4, 3, 2, 1

X may not be paired after five years if its successors ends up being more awesome. X becomes the iPhone 4 and iPhone 6/6 Plus of its generation. The 1st gen design but the worst at aging (same 3GB RAM as 7+/8+).

Stuff ranked it -
1. iPhone 5
2. iPhone
3. iPhone 4

https://www.stuff.tv/features/ranked-every-iphone-in-order-greatness/5-iphone-6
 
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HarryWild

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Valid points for sure (I actually picked up an 8 Plus but also plan on getting the X). And while I've been using Plus versions since the iPhone 6, rarely do I use them in landscape mode. If I want to watch a movie, I'll use my iPad. At least 90% of the time I use my phone in portrait orientation, and the X will give me more usable space I think. But time will tell I guess.
No, the 8+ has much more usable space because the X is more rectangular then that of the 8+. In other words, X's width is narrower then the 8+.
 
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Benz63amg

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Generation 1 (2007-2009)
iPhone
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3Gs

Generation 2 (2010-2013, 2016-Present)
iPhone 4
iPhone 4s
iPhone 5
iPhone 5c
iPhone 5s
iPhone SE

Generation 3 (2014-Present)
iPhone 6
iPhone 6s
iPhone 7
iPhone 8

Generation 4 (2017-Present)
iPhone X

Like automobiles, one design generation last 4-5 years even if only minor cosmetic changes. Not 2 years.



^ My 1999 Civic fell in the 6th gen (1996-2000). I could recognize one just by the tail lights being white/red.


The H8 with 8

I don't understand the hate on the 8 or double standards. It gets called iPhone 6sss or 7s for looking the same as the previous three models. But then people view 4 & 5 completely differently?

The 5s should be called the 4sss or 4sss Plus (0.5" increase). The 5 design even had strips of top and bottom glass at the back. The 4 was still in its cocoon before its final metamorphosis as the 5s / SE.



The gap between iPhone 6 to 8 (2014-2017) is wider than 4 to 5s (2010-2013). From 8 Plus (3rd gen) to X (4th gen) is smaller of a gap than 3Gs (1st gen) to 4 (2nd gen). Same SoC and amount of RAM. But many base upgrades superficially.

2G -> 3G, metal to plastic
4 -> 5, glass to metal
6 -> 8, metal to glass
X -> ?, glass to metal?

Gen 1
Multi-touch
320p
Cover Flow
Ambient sensor
Proximity sensor
Accelerometer
Skeuomorphism design
Copy & paste
Video recorder
128MB & 256MB RAM
Mini-sim

Gen 2
Retina Display
640p
FaceTime
Front camera
LED flash
Gyroscope
Fast App Switching (multi-task bar)
Dual core
Siri
iMessages
iCloud
Apple Maps
Touch ID
Dual-tone flash
Flat design
iOS4 - iOS7 (Forstall/Ive)
Wi-Fi "n"
4G
512MB & 1GB RAM
Micro and nano sim

Gen 3
Plus model
750p/1080p
Apple Pay
Force/3D Touch
Telephoto
Dual front speakers
Water/dust resistance
Raise to wake
True Tone display
2GB and 3GB RAM
Wi-Fi ac
Hexa-core
Wireless charging
Fast charging
Minus headphone jack

Gen 4
OLED
Gesture swipes
Face ID
Animojis
Minus home button
Minus Touch ID
Raise prices

^ Notice X's short list?

Gen 2 was the best to ever do it, feature-wise and design. Retina Display, FaceTime, iMessages, and part of iOS4 to iOS6/Forstall era/skeuomorphism. But it also made iOS uglier by 2013. Wished the flat design didn't come until 2014 by iPhone 6.

My personal picks to collect...
iPhone
iPhone SE
iPhone X

Add...
iPhone 7 (prefer metal)
iPhone 8 Plus (have one Plus)
iPhone 4s (strongest twin of the 4)
iPhone 3Gs (first internal upgrade)

Avoid the 6 and 6s. Adding a Plus model will add versatility in your lineup. Maybe keep 6s for being the last to have headphone jack for that size. But nah, rather have the matte 7. Too ugly antenna lines.

Keep it varied
Gen 1 pairs - 2G (1st), 3Gs (3rd)
Gen 2 pairs - 4s (2nd), SE (6th)
Gen 3 pairs - 7 (3rd), 8 Plus (4th)

My favorites from that group ^
1. iPhone SE (space gray)
2. iPhone X (silver)
3. iPhone 7 (matte black)
4. iPhone 8 Plus (silver, my lone white-front)
5. iPhone 4s (black)
6. iPhone
7. iPhone 3Gs (black)

Best design - Gen 2, 1, 4, 3
Best specs - Gen 4, 3, 2, 1

X may not be paired after five years if its successors ends up being more awesome. X becomes the iPhone 4 and iPhone 6/6 Plus of its generation. The 1st gen design but the worst at aging (same 3GB RAM as 7+/8+).

Stuff ranked it -
1. iPhone 5
2. iPhone
3. iPhone 4

https://www.stuff.tv/features/ranked-every-iphone-in-order-greatness/5-iphone-6
It’s not about the number of differences the iPhone X has over the previous gen, it’s how significant the changes are and the OLED display is the most major upgrade the iPhone has ever received, on a device such as the iPhone where the screen is literally everything you stare at it’s a massive upgrade that far makes up for any other possible change Apple could have included
 
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thadoggfather

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Oct 1, 2007
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The 7/8 p3 screen is pretty epic For LED no less

But infinite blacks and improved contrast will be pretty siiiick and more epic. For sure.

I'm worried about brightness
 

Relentless Power

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The Verge can post whatever they want to believe might be the better iPhone. But all that matters, is what the user truly wants. If somebody wants the latest iPhone and technology, obviously that would be the iPhone X. But if somebody's upgrading from an iPhone under the 7, and they're not interested in an OLED display or Face ID, then the iPhone 8 would be The primary choice.
 

gadget123

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Apr 17, 2011
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The Verge can post whatever they want to believe might be the better iPhone. But all that matters, is what the user truly wants. If somebody wants the latest iPhone and technology, obviously that would be the iPhone X. But if somebody's upgrading from an iPhone under the 7, and they're not interested in an OLED display or Face ID, then the iPhone 8 would be The primary choice.
If a larger plus version comes next year and the notch goes and Touch ID returns it will make the X look a bad purchase.

Only ten months to find out hence why I wouldn’t touch the X as it doesn’t even have a full years tech cycle.
 

Diorama

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Oct 6, 2017
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Gen 3
Plus model
750p/1080p
Apple Pay
Force/3D Touch
Telephoto
Dual front speakers
Water/dust resistance
Raise to wake
True Tone display
2GB and 3GB RAM
Wi-Fi ac
Hexa-core
Wireless charging
Fast charging
Minus headphone jack

Gen 4
OLED
Gesture swipes
Face ID
Animojis
Minus home button
Minus Touch ID
Raise prices

^ Notice X's short list?
Notice that you just compared every new feature released over 3 years with one phone? Did the iPhone 6 have 3D Touch? Hexacore? Telephoto? 3GB RAM? Wireless charging?

It is an absurd comparison, wait until the XI, XII, and XIII are out, then make your list.
 

Patriks7

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If a larger plus version comes next year and the notch goes and Touch ID returns it will make the X look a bad purchase.

Only ten months to find out hence why I wouldn’t touch the X as it doesn’t even have a full years tech cycle.
That's a huge "if". Only likely thing of those happening is a larger Plus version. Notch is here to stay and Touch ID isn't coming back. And who's to say Apple won't shift to a later release date?
 

Mercenary

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Sep 17, 2012
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Iphone 8 Owners are totally trying to justify their purchase but nothing they say will change facts. The OLED display in the iPhone X by itself is light years ahead of the LCD that is present in the iPhone 8 / 8 Plus which makes buying the X worth over buying the 8
Errrmmm. OLED is not new and has been on Samsung units for years. Higher resolution in fact
 

Leo90

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I bought an iPhone 8 Plus over an iPhone X and I don’t regret one bit. I wanted to have the latest Apple’s SOC in a familiar design which I happen to love. I like the bezels on the plus model and the screen real state (bigger than on current X). Besides, saving up £200 will help me towards my next holiday trip. All in all, I am a very happy iPhone 8 Plus user and I could not care less about what “expert” media outlets are saying.
 

KingslayerG5

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Other than the new cosmetic design, how big of an upgrade after one year?

2009-2010
3Gs -> 4?

2013-2014
5s -> 6?, same RAM

2016-2017
7 Plus -> X?, same RAM

If you already own SE, you wouldn't need the 6s because it already has the A9 chip and headphone jack. The 7 (4.7", matte black) is more complimentary to the SE. Best of Gen 2 and 3 design together.



SE killed any interest of the 6/6s thanks to the price, A9 chip, same rear cam as 6s the same way 7/8 Plus killed any interest of the 6/6s Plus by having water/dust resistance, dual front speakers, 3GB RAM, and Telephoto.

The 8 series doesn't have antenna lines looking like a 4/4s throwback and 7 in black hides them better. The irony is 6/6 Plus is the best-selling iPhone model ever but aged the worst from Gen 3.

Gen 1 - 2G, 3G/3Gs
Gen 2 - 4/4s, 5/5s/SE
Gen 3 - 6/6s, 7/8/9?
Gen 4 - X/XI? XII/XIII?

If X wasn't being called X to honor the original iPhone, it wouldn't feel so special and maybe many would wait on the 2018/2020 models which would be the 2nd/4th of the generation for the X design.

The 8 gets called out being the 4th same-looking design but 5s wasn't? The 7 was the 3rd same-looking design off the 6 but nobody called it out for 3Gs or 5?

The 8 is a 6 with glass back, but isn't the 3G/3Gs just a 2G with a plastic back? The 5 design was used thrice when it mostly looked like the 4 series in shape and nobody complained about the SE.







7 Plus > 8 Plus? Front cam in dynamic range and low light...
 

BarrettF77

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Given I read Apple relaxed resting of the dot projection, I can see quality control may have just gone out the window for the Ten. Seems like an Apple move to focus on sales and not quality control.

Looking better each day why I and my wife like our 8 plus despite iOS 11 being a steaming pile.

Apple has become so messy and the clarity and simplicity that existed under Jobs return clearly no longer exists.