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The better screen and better front facing camera are facts.
I think there are many, many people who would say they believe the current Samsung displays are better beause they prefer more saturated colors. I think the Pixel 2 has a better front facing camera also from what I've seen and read so again, these are all opinions. You cannot make objective opinions facts.
 
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Its all about choice and I'm sure glad Apple offers both to satisfy many. Weren't there complaints about not having enough choices?

There is no need to defend or boast as people will purchase what they like.
 
I think there are many, many people who would say they believe the current Samsung displays are better beause they prefer more saturated colors. I think the Pixel 2 has a better front facing camera also from what I've seen and read so again, these are all opinions. You cannot make objective opinions facts.

We aren't talking about those phones are we? We are talking about the iPhone 8 and the iPhone X. The iPhone X has a better display and better front facing camera than the iPhone 8. Fact. Try sticking to the conversation, eh?
 
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your being happy doesn't change the facts about which phone is superior.

You're really good at quoting people. Could you quote the part of my post where I say the iPhone 8 is objectively better than the iPhone X.

What's that? You can't? Because I didn't? Then kindly apologise for your ridiculous attack on my opinions.

I was very, very careful to make it clear that I was expressing a personal view. Because I know there are frothing fanatics who view any comparison of any phone against the iPhone X as serious as a physical attack on their first-born child.

If I can't tell the difference in screen quality — and I can't — and if I can't tell the difference in speed — and I can't — then it's ridiculous to consider these invisible features as worth paying 50% more for.

They're phones. Get over it. And get over yourself.
 
We aren't talking about those phones are we? We are talking about the iPhone 8 and the iPhone X. The iPhone X has a better display and better front facing camera than the iPhone 8. Fact. Try sticking to the conversation, eh?

Well there are people who have have issues with PWM such as myself so I’ll take LCD all day and also a bigger screen vs a smaller notched screen. So again opinion versus fact.
 
I wonder how many people have actually had first-hand experience of both the 8 and the X.

I have. I bought the X and kept it for a month before exchanging it for an 8, which I've now had for about a month.

My own view is that I'm guessing that for most people there are very few differences between the two except (a) screen size and shape, (b) physical size and weight, and (c) FaceID and TouchID.

If there's a difference in speed I haven't noticed it. Both are great. If there's a difference in screen quality I haven't noticed it. I suspect you'd have to put them side-by-side to notice a difference. Even if there is a difference, it's nothing like as revolutionary as retina vs non-retina. That was a huge leap forward.

My own preference is for a rectangular screen. And I prefer small and light. As for FaceID vs TouchID, again the 8 comes out on top for me. FaceID is really clever, but TouchID is just better. In my opinion. For me. In my view.

Given the big difference in price, "downgrading" to the 8 (not the 8+) from the X was a no-brainer and I'm very happy with my choice and delighted with my phone.

I am not seeking the validation of others. I am not jealous that other people have more money than me. I bought an iPhone X. I could afford an iPhone X. In the end it wasn't for me.

I have (and had the X for five weeks, so I really got to know the phone.

As a purely personal matter, while the X is brilliant hardware (not just a brilliant first attempt, it is genuinely brilliant, even if it's not perfect), the UI/UX was an uneven experience and when all things were considered I preferred the UI/UX of the TouchID phones. Reasonable people are going to come to different conclusions. One of the enlightening things about all the discussion (and rants, from both sides) here has been realizing how many people had bad experiences with TouchID, even after the introduction of Gen 2 TouchID with the 6S. I'd had no idea.

The real differences in my view are FaceID and gestures (in comparison to TouchID and a somewhat hardware-centric UI). It's a personal call.
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There is a difference. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it isn't there.

See, this is what I am talking about. The X screen is far better and if you don't notice that, then your palette is not very good or you are not being truthful.

Good for you. I am really happy that you are happy with your choice. In the end, that is all the matters. However, don't use your happiness with the 8 as a reason to make ridiculous statements. The X is the better phone, it may not be right for you, but that doesn't make the fact that it is the better device any less true.

Again, good for you. I am glad you are happy, but your being happy doesn't change the facts about which phone is superior.

If the X is so objectively great, why is such a stream of condescension necessary? A few responses.

First, the post you quoted didn't say there was no difference, he said there's no observable difference in speed. Geekbench 4 says he's right on that.

Second, the X display is only better from certain perspectives, and it has serious drawbacks at this time. While the color accuracy, DPI and contrast ratios are truly magnificent (they really are), a noticeable number of people experience eye strain and/or headaches as a result of the PWM brightness control as implemented by Apple. Further, image burn-in is an issue with OLED displays, and has been seen in display units at Apple Stores. Whether this becomes an issue in real life use or is only an issue under display conditions remains to be seen, but if it develops in ordinary use it's a big drawback.

And that's not even mentioning The Notch. Personally, I think it's a non-issue, but there are plenty of people who disagree. Part of the reason I regard it as a non-issue is because I never used an app that was affected by the notch, but some apps are affected and if you want to use that app it's actually pretty big design defect.
 
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The colours of the X screen are rich and impressive. Having said that, the LCD on the iPhone 8 is also gorgeous and in no way makes me feel short-changed. What would make me feel short-changed however is to have all that beautiful X gamut in a screen that is the shape of literally no media anywhere on this planet.
 
Better screen, Better front camera, etc. Guys like you are fooling yourself.
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Biggest BS statement I have read in awhile. Seriously? You think calling it the X is the only reason it is a special iPhone? You are delusional.
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I own both. I prefer the X. To me, it is the superior phone.



There is a difference. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it isn't there.



Yes, they are both great. The X is better.



See, this is what I am talking about. The X screen is far better and if you don't notice that, then your palette is not very good or you are not being truthful.



Again, this is a ridiculous statement.



Good for you. I am really happy that you are happy with your choice. In the end, that is all the matters. However, don't use your happiness with the 8 as a reason to make ridiculous statements. The X is the better phone, it may not be right for you, but that doesn't make the fact that it is the better device any less true.



Face ID is just as fast. I mean people really fool themselves into not looking at the facts. In this Trump world, I am not surprised.



Again, good for you. I am glad you are happy, but your being happy doesn't change the facts about which phone is superior.

You sure don’t know the difference between a fact and somebody else’s opinion do you? You seem incensed that the person you quoted had a different viewpoint to yourself and consistently rubbished everything they said. Not everybody is or was happy with the X and best is often subjective to the individuals tastes and needs.
 
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You sure don’t know the difference between a fact and somebody else’s opinion do you? You seem incensed that the person you quoted had a different viewpoint to yourself and consistently rubbished everything they said. Not everybody is or was happy with the X and best is often subjective to the individuals tastes and needs.

Actually, you don't know what you are talking about. Your opinions don't change facts. Your opinions don't get to have the same veracity that facts enjoy. There are these things called specs, ya know? It is what we judge things by...it's how we get our facts, generally speaking with electronics. According to industry specs, the iPhone X has a better display and better front-facing camera than the iPhone 8. FACT! That's all I said. Your opinion holds no sway over facts. You and others like you love to say your opinion should be respected and let loose over facts. No, that is not how it works. It is a fact that the Earth is not flat, but if your opinion is that it is flat, it doesn't mean I need to respect your opinion because your opinion flies in the face of facts. It seems to me that you are the one who can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact, nor can you seem to understand that a fact, regardless of your opinion, is still a fact. According to industry specs, the iPhone X display and front-facing camera is better than the iPhone 8. FACT. Your opinion of that fact doesn't change it.
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But they aren't. Seth Matthews said so. ;)

Wrong. Why lie? Look up at my posts back earlier in the thread. I specifically say they are both good phones. No doubt, but the iPhone X is better.
 
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Actually, you don't know what you are talking about. Your opinions don't change facts. Your opinions don't get to have the same veracity that facts enjoy. There are these things called specs, ya know? It is what we judge things by...it's how we get our facts, generally speaking with electronics. According to industry specs, the iPhone X has a better display and better front-facing camera than the iPhone 8. FACT! That's all I said. Your opinion holds no sway over facts. You and others like you love to say your opinion should be respected and let loose over facts. No, that is not how it works. It is a fact that the Earth is not flat, but if your opinion is that it is flat, it doesn't mean I need to respect your opinion because your opinion flies in the face of facts. It seems to me that you are the one who can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact, nor can you seem to understand that a fact, regardless of your opinion, is still a fact. According to industry specs, the iPhone X display and front-facing camera is better than the iPhone 8. FACT. Your opinion of that fact doesn't change it.
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Wrong. Why lie? Look up at my posts back earlier in the thread. I specifically say they are both good phones. No doubt, but the iPhone X is better.
why so salty people? just let people purchase the phone they want in peace. Gosh.
 
Actually, you don't know what you are talking about. Your opinions don't change facts. Your opinions don't get to have the same veracity that facts enjoy. There are these things called specs, ya know? It is what we judge things by...it's how we get our facts, generally speaking with electronics. According to industry specs, the iPhone X has a better display and better front-facing camera than the iPhone 8. FACT! That's all I said. Your opinion holds no sway over facts. You and others like you love to say your opinion should be respected and let loose over facts. No, that is not how it works. It is a fact that the Earth is not flat, but if your opinion is that it is flat, it doesn't mean I need to respect your opinion because your opinion flies in the face of facts. It seems to me that you are the one who can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact, nor can you seem to understand that a fact, regardless of your opinion, is still a fact. According to industry specs, the iPhone X display and front-facing camera is better than the iPhone 8. FACT. Your opinion of that fact doesn't change it.
At no point did I say the iPhone X was not a better phone on paper than an iPhone 8.

Having a better spec sheet doesn’t automatically mean it’s better for everybody’s needs though and certain features on the X are unappealing to some. That’s all people are saying here, especially those retuning the phone in favour of the 8. You need to chill out and respect that others have a different opinion to yourself.
 
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Actually, you don't know what you are talking about. Your opinions don't change facts. Your opinions don't get to have the same veracity that facts enjoy. There are these things called specs, ya know? It is what we judge things by...it's how we get our facts, generally speaking with electronics. According to industry specs, the iPhone X has a better display and better front-facing camera than the iPhone 8. FACT! That's all I said. Your opinion holds no sway over facts. You and others like you love to say your opinion should be respected and let loose over facts. No, that is not how it works. It is a fact that the Earth is not flat, but if your opinion is that it is flat, it doesn't mean I need to respect your opinion because your opinion flies in the face of facts. It seems to me that you are the one who can't distinguish between an opinion and a fact, nor can you seem to understand that a fact, regardless of your opinion, is still a fact. According to industry specs, the iPhone X display and front-facing camera is better than the iPhone 8. FACT. Your opinion of that fact doesn't change it.
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Wrong. Why lie? Look up at my posts back earlier in the thread. I specifically say they are both good phones. No doubt, but the iPhone X is better.

Your Post is highly disingenuous to others who have merely expressed their own opinion based on what they feel is a better iPhone between the iPhone X and iPhone 8. Thats what the Realdeal82 was saying. It's all subjective, because the consumer will make that decision which is a better iPhone regardless of what specifications say otherwise. Thats what others are conveying. Perhaps re-read some of the last posts for clarification.
 
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At no point did I say the iPhone X was not a better phone on paper than an iPhone 8.

Having a better spec sheet doesn’t automatically mean it’s better for everybody’s needs though and certain features on the X are unappealing to some. That’s all people are saying here, especially those retuning the phone in favour of the 8. You need to chill out and respect that others have a different opinion to yourself.

I'd add that:

1. Many of the specs that drive performance are in fact identical (e.g., CPU, GPU, RAM)

2. Other key specs are neither better or worse. Although you'd get a different idea reading here, FaceID is not "better" than TouchID, nor vice versa; they're simply different. Apple has probably decided to put its money and effort behind FaceID so that will be where future development goes, but in 2018 they're basically just an even choice, partisans notwithstanding.
 
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Better is a word that shouldn’t even be used in such a personal device. It’s such a subjective term to each person and how they perceive what the phone does for them versus another phone.

Well put. The specs on both of the phones being nearly identical this is one topic that I really didn't think would warrant this much discussion. But it's interesting to read nonetheless.

When I got myself the X a buddy tagged along and bought himself the 8 Plus. Both are really fantastic devices, and I'm personally happy that both exist. The plus-models have always been just a tiny bit too large for me to comfortably use one handed (small hands damnit), so I appreciate the somewhat leaner form factor of the X.

To each his / her own. Aren't options a great thing to have?
 
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Your Post is highly disingenuous to others who have merely expressed their own opinion based on what they feel is a better iPhone between the iPhone X and iPhone 8. Thats what the Realdeal82 was saying. It's all subjective, because the consumer will make that decision which is a better iPhone regardless of what specifications say otherwise. Thats others are conveying. Perhaps re-read some of the last post for clarification.

Whatever. Liking a phone better over another phone is different than the phone itself being better. I have no doubt that many people in here like the iPhone 8 better than the iPhone X. That doesn't change the fact that the iPhone X is the better device. You can argue until your blue in the face, but it is true. I am not being disingenuous at all to anyone.

The more appropriate thing for you guys to say is that while the iPhone X is a better device than the iPhone 8, I like the iPhone 8 better for my personal needs. Your accepting facts, and then offering an opinion. Not saying it that way is disingenuous.

Reply as you wish. I am done.
 
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I am waiting for the XS Plus even tho I probably won’t be able to afford it. (I rather spent my money on traveling the world).

The X screen is just too tiny for me. When I held my 7 Plus next to it, it felt like a downgrade to me but of course that is personal preferences.

I personally don’t give 2 f for OLED. I would take an led screen in a X „Plus“ housing if it means it could be cheaper
 
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Whatever. Liking a phone better over another phone is different than the phone itself being better. I have no doubt that many people in here like the iPhone 8 better than the iPhone X. That doesn't change the fact that the iPhone X is the better device. You can argue until your blue in the face, but it is true. I am not being disingenuous at all to anyone.

The more appropriate thing for you guys to say is that while the iPhone X is a better device than the iPhone 8, I like the iPhone 8 better for my personal needs. Your accepting facts, and then offering an opinion. Not saying it that way is disingenuous.

Reply as you wish. I am done.
A couple of us have pointed out to you that nobody is saying the 8 is better than the X yet you’ve missed it again.

People have said they like the iPhone 8 better than the iPhone X but you’ve gone on a rant because those people have not said it the way you like.

The X and 8 are essentially the same phone with the X having a better screen and camera. If the consumer doesn’t really care about a slightly better screen and camera and FaceID is not at all a killer draw, then they might well feel that the 8 is better for them. That’s not changing any facts because you still get to say the X is physically a slightly better phone. I don’t know why that is so difficult to accept?
 
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Whatever. Liking a phone better over another phone is different than the phone itself being better. I have no doubt that many people in here like the iPhone 8 better than the iPhone X. That doesn't change the fact that the iPhone X is the better device. You can argue until your blue in the face, but it is true. I am not being disingenuous at all to anyone.

It appears others agree that you are being disingenuous based on your reasoning to see others views whats considered is subjective for the iPhone 8/X. No one cares what others say or thinks is a better iPhone, it only matters what that person specifically chooses based on their own preferences. I have no idea why you need to refute every Post or misinterpret things to fit your Own narrative. That's why I suggested you re-read the post(s) in this thread.
 
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Yet, an article is an opinion. Guess what? The best iPhone for you is the one that best fits your needs. It doesn't need to be an iPhone X.

Well said ! I bought X on launch day but it's too small to me so I sold it and got myself a Note 8. And two weeks later, I switched back to iPhone 8 Plus lol. I think I will hold on to my 8 Plus until the X Plus comes out later this year.
 
The X and 8 are essentially the same phone with the X having a better screen and camera.

I don't think that Matthews' point should be conceded. What if the X display gives you headaches? What if three months from now it turns out that a large number of these OLED displays have serious burn-in issues? There are trade-offs with the OLED display, some of which we don't have complete information about yet.
 
I don't think that Matthews' point should be conceded. What if the X display gives you headaches? What if three months from now it turns out that a large number of these OLED displays have serious burn-in issues? There are trade-offs with the OLED display, some of which we don't have complete information about yet.
I’ve never been fussed on OLED so what you say is entirely possible.,
 
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