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The way Apple handles iOS upgrades is almost criminal.

What do you think about the way apple handles ios updates for older devices?

  • Apple is just trying to make money - a customer should do research before upgrading

    Votes: 113 13.6%

  • It's a little sneaky, but not a big deal

    Votes: 77 9.3%

  • It is plain wrong to offer an upgrade that will slow down a device

    Votes: 129 15.5%

  • Apple should allow users to select an ios that functions well on their device, even a downgrade

    Votes: 374 45.0%

  • other (or: this poll is horrible)

    Votes: 297 35.7%
  • Total voters
    831
Italianblend

Italianblend

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It's really not cool, and here's why:

You have a cool apple device that works fine. Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.

Now, my ipod, ipad, iphone, etc, is slower that it was before. This new ios is slowing things down. And, I can't downgrade back? Now, I have to buy a brand new device so that it runs smoothly when my device was working perfectly a few minutes ago?

Well, personally, I feel as if it's borderline criminal to offer upgrades that cripple their own devices. If apple is the transparent company they claim to be, they should inform its customers as to the version of ios that runs the best on their device, and then allow them to use it.

It really should be done away with, and if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.
 
Italianblend said:
It's really not cool, and here's why:

You have a cool apple device that works fine. Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.

Now, my ipod, ipad, iphone, etc, is slower that it was before. This new ios is slowing things down. And, I can't downgrade back? Now, I have to buy a brand new device so that it runs smoothly when my device was working perfectly a few minutes ago?

Well, personally, I feel as if it's borderline criminal to offer upgrades that cripple their own devices. If apple is the transparent company they claim to be, they should inform its customers as to the version of ios that runs the best on their device, and then allow them to use it.

It really should be done away with, and if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.
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Um, my devices don't slow down from a upgrade actually, unless it is really old, like a 4S, then that is understandable, because you know the device came out over 3 years ago and is still getting updates, unlike Android, and iOS 8.1.1 promises performance enhancements and stability improvements to the 4S/iPad 2.....is the Galaxy Nexus getting any more updates?? What About Android flagships on carriers that dont see updates for a long long time lol...your post is flawed and is pretty factually incorrect

Nexus 4 came out 2 years ago and "Lollipop will be coming 'soon'"

Had a i5 on iOS 8/8.1 and it was buttery smooth , also had a 5S on 8.0 and it was buttery smooth and now I have a Plus on 8.1 that is buttery smooth with Reduce transparency/motion on.


Android's update system is criminal
 
Well, I think there are some flaws in your train of thought here. First, suing Apple on account of this would be a worthless endeavor. Apple knowingly publishes which devices they will continue to support. They publish which devices can support their newest OS as well. There are "unoffical" threads here that show that people have ran the latest OS on unsupported machines and devices as well as people who have even added more RAM to a machine when it was said not to be supported. The point here is that Apple makes it pretty clear when they will not support something and what OS cannot be ran on a device/machine.

Second, if you were a hotshot lawyer and you went to put Apple in their place, then you would likely lose. Apple would have absolutely no issue proving that their latest OS runs on the machines and devices that it purports to run on. They will likely be able to do so without displaying any crippling function unless otherwise advertised. For example, one iPhone in the past got the latest OS upgrade but a certain feature was not available. I don't recall what it was off hand, but it was indeed published. So you would ultimately be wasting your time.

Notwithstanding, although you did a wonderful job of showcasing how incredibly displeased you are with Apple and you have alleged that in order to use the latest OS you must buy a new device, you failed to give any real information that members can use to help you.

What device do you have today that is running the latest OS? How much room do you have on your device? What kind of issues are you experiencing? Slow is subjective. My 4S is slow but it is a 4S and it is near capacity. It runs nearly as well as it did the day I bought it but it is certainly not as fast as say my 6. Go figure. So if you will, pony up some information so we can help you. Since you're not a hot shot lawyer I assume you have some time to elaborate on your issues and perhaps reach a resolution that lets you continue to use your device.
 
I have had to deal with FAR worse performance on Android phones helping people fix them. The general user does not care, just like how some are still using Windows XP with 512 MB of RAM. They don't care that things are sooooooo slow.

This is the same way with Windows OS. There is no "easy" downgrade. To go from Windows 8 to Windows 7, you will need to format and reinstall Windows 7. There is no downgrade and keep my stuff in Windows either.

It is always best to see what the performance is like from other people if you are on an older device.

A new OS on anything that is not mature enough like PCs will have this problem.
 
To echo Bahroo's point -- At least Apple gives you the choice of upgrading.

I've been stuck on Android 4.1.1 for two years and every time I see an article about some awesome new Android update it annoys the crap out of me because, even though I have an Android phone, it doesn't apply to me. Tell me how that's not criminal?

Maybe the updates would slow down my phone but guess what? My phone is slowing down anyway and I'm pretty much using what it shipped with! At least if I had access to updates I could get some useful new features to compensate for the lack of performance but that's just not possible with Android.

I understand why Android phones don't receive updates across all of the different devices but restricted updates to flagship phones and those running Vanilla isn't exactly good for the consumer.

Having a choice is pretty much always better than not having a choice, so while you may think that it's unfair for Apple to offer a new OS that might not run smoothly on older hardware, at least you have the choice to download it or stick with what you have.
 
Italianblend said:
It's really not cool, and here's why:



You have a cool apple device that works fine. Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.



Now, my ipod, ipad, iphone, etc, is slower that it was before. This new ios is slowing things down. And, I can't downgrade back? Now, I have to buy a brand new device so that it runs smoothly when my device was working perfectly a few minutes ago?



Well, personally, I feel as if it's borderline criminal to offer upgrades that cripple their own devices. If apple is the transparent company they claim to be, they should inform its customers as to the version of ios that runs the best on their device, and then allow them to use it.



It really should be done away with, and if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.
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+100000

Compare iPhone 4s on iOS 5 and on iOS 8.
 
How 'bout a poll option "I really like the way Apple does its updates. They are very up front about who gets the updates for what devices."

It seems like you don't like Apple's updates and expected everyone to jump on the bandwagon with you.
 
If you bought a Dell 15 years ago with Windows 98 on it.
And you updated it to Windows 8 today... it'll be slower. It's not criminal. This is an insane poll.

They are spending gobs and gobs of engineering hours making it work with your old device.
 
Italianblend said:
Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.
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So, Apple releases an update. An update your are under no obligation to install. And rather than do some basic research, you just close your eyes and jump in feet first. And now you're upset with Apple?

My ex-wife, who is about as non-technical as you can get, even had the sense to not upgrade until she talked to other 4S owners. She did a basic amount of research and determined that she might not be happy with iOS 8. So she skipped it.

What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility? Unless there was a gun pointed at your head, I fail to see how it's Apple's fault that YOU installed an update without doing your due diligence.

Glad you're not a lawyer. We have enough crap clogging up our legal system.
 
eclipse01 said:
It is the way of life, same goes on PC's when you get the new latest software or OS it is bound to run slower on your older hardware.
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That isn't even remotely a valid comparison. You can at any point install any version of Windows on that PC, and any version of the software for it.

iOS products are carved into stone when you upgrade. If it doesn't work, tough luck. If you don't like it, tough luck. If it runs really poorly, tough luck.

Same thing with apps. Facebook updated its app yesterday, auto-installed onto my new iPhone 6, and it won't load any info at all now.
 
Menel said:
If you bought a Dell 15 years ago with Windows 98 on it.
And you updated it to Windows 8 today... it'll be slower. It's not criminal. This is an insane poll.

They are spending gobs and gobs of engineering hours making it work with your old device.
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Bahroo said:
Um, my devices don't slow down from a upgrade actually, unless it is really old, like a 4S, then that is understandable, because you know the device came out over 3 years ago and is still getting updates, unlike Android, and iOS 8.1.1 promises performance enhancements and stability improvements to the 4S/iPad 2.....is the Galaxy Nexus getting any more updates?? What About Android flagships on carriers that dont see updates for a long long time lol...your post is flawed and is pretty factually incorrect

Nexus 4 came out 2 years ago and "Lollipop will be coming 'soon'"

Had a i5 on iOS 8/8.1 and it was buttery smooth , also had a 5S on 8.0 and it was buttery smooth and now I have a Plus on 8.1 that is buttery smooth with Reduce transparency/motion on.


Android's update system is criminal
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I am applus for Apple trying to update all devices they could. That is including 3 years old iPhone 4S. No body is critizing Apple push updates to older devices. That is crazy.

And honstly, you cannot compare an 15 years old Window 98 PC with 3 years old phone, that is just absured. The 15 years old Windows 98 PC could handle Windows 2000 or XP. While 3 years old phone cannot handle 3 OS update.

While I am glad that Apple offering updates to older devices, I strongly dislike how they lock you into new OSes. I have strong desire going back to iOS 6 with my iPad Mini and iPad 4. The iPad 4 just runs horribley with iOS 8. I do not even want touch this thing anymore, it is just so slow. I hate Apple lock you into the newest OS. That is absured.
 
Upgrades are voluntary. If you trash your device, it was voluntary. Lots of people shouldn't be allowed to own smartphone because they're not, well, smart. And I don't mean the phones.
 
newellj said:
Upgrades are voluntary. If you trash your device, it was voluntary. Lots of people shouldn't be allowed to own smartphone because they're not, well, smart. And I don't mean the phones.
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They are voluntary to a degree. For example, should anything go wrong with your device for some reason and you need to restore you are stuck with getting an update basically whether or not you want it.
 
Husbands 4s runs 8.1 smooth as glass. My new 6 as well.
Whenever there is an update, the system runs a little slowly as it re-indexes and decides where to put things. Often speed picks up in a day or so.
If there are still problems, answers can usually be found, unlike Android.
Each OS offers different pros and cons, and having both I can safely say, it's just personal preference.
Neither company has all the answers, and both are guilty of having head up the *** syndrome.
 
Italianblend said:
if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.
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You know that iOS End User Agreement you don't read and click I AGREE to? It states that YOU as a user agree to whatever Apple wants to do with their iOS and that in return you can use iOS software at no charge in return.

That agreement stands in court.

Also, Software companies are not obligated to support every version of software they release. It is at their discretion.
 
Armen said:
You know that iOS End User Agreement you don't read and click I AGREE to? It states that YOU as a user agree to whatever Apple wants to do with their iOS and that in return you can use iOS software at no charge in return.

That agreement stands in court.

Also, Software companies are not obligated to support every version of software they release. It is at their discretion.
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Does/would every part of that agreement stand in court in all situations, if actually challenged? Things are actually quite fluid in a sense in the legal system.
 
while its great and I'm not complaining, just to play devils advocate.

someone not so versed in all this sees hey new iOS on my 4S and downloads it but then boom its slow. Now yes its great they still support older devices but in most cases it still runs slower on them. I can attest my old 4 that I had upgraded to iOS7 and used as an iPod was very slow. I don't hate them for that bc it happens and we move forward with new technology but they shouldn't send you that new update like its going to run just as well as say iiOS 6 on an iPhone 4S.

I get the OP point and suing is taking it too far but lets not get all fan boy here and pretend like these updates that are so easy to get are always to best for every device they are made available to.
 
C DM said:
Does/would every part of that agreement stand in court in all situations, if actually challenged? Things are actually quite fluid in a sense in the legal system.
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How did I know reciting the EULA would trigger a response from you? Haha.

The EULA has yet to be challenged.
 
I don't see reason for outrage about updates running slower, and it's definitely not lawsuit worthy. However, I do fully agree that not allowing downgrades is ridiculous.

On the other hand, you agree to essentially allow Apple to run your device entirely as they see fit when you agree to the EULA, so a lawsuit would likely result in the court telling you not to agree to stuff you don't like.
 
Italianblend said:
It's really not cool, and here's why:

You have a cool apple device that works fine. Oh look, there's a new ios update, cool! It popped up on my screen. That means that it's an improvement and a normal upgrade. I will get it. I can't wait to try it out.

Now, my ipod, ipad, iphone, etc, is slower that it was before. This new ios is slowing things down. And, I can't downgrade back? Now, I have to buy a brand new device so that it runs smoothly when my device was working perfectly a few minutes ago?

Well, personally, I feel as if it's borderline criminal to offer upgrades that cripple their own devices. If apple is the transparent company they claim to be, they should inform its customers as to the version of ios that runs the best on their device, and then allow them to use it.

It really should be done away with, and if I was a hotshot lawyer, I would be on the case. I would really like to see somebody put apple in its place on this issue.
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Nothing's ****ing borderline criminal. Before you upgrade every single time YOU agree to the terms of serivce. Instead of comming here and bitching about something claiming it's damn near criminal, just go buy some other product.
 
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