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Re: Re: Share The Love

Originally posted by latergator116
We (my brother and I) used to steal the wireless connection from our neighbor too. Actaully, he said it was ok. He was a mac fan too and we used to help him out with computer problems.

Its not stealing...

If you have his permission...
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by carbonmotion
Here is the thing, I think the kid has dial-up cause his parents are old fashioned... [snip].you can do alot to a 16 year old and he wouldn't give a rats ass ...but when pappy takes out the belt... hehehe.
Okay.

First change the password.

If the bugger still connects enable more security if needed, or heck send him a Win Message.

Again, if that fails you can call him and tell him to stop connecting...

I mean really.
 
Originally posted by carbonmotion
oh yeah, and this kid needs to learn a lesson.... and also, I have alot of lan parties sometimes, and extreme security messures will cause problems in setting up everyone's computers

are you still having security issues?
fix it.
 
close down your network, have a talk with the kid or his parents, but before that happens send him a fbi prank message.

i dont think people were serious about the doom virus, its just that right now its the biggest wintel problem at the moment, which we are once again unaffected by :)
 
I do have permission!

If my computer sends a request to his network to join and I am able to gain access, then the network has given me permission to be on the network.

How is that stealing?

If the said person does not want to allow me access there are numerous methods to accomplish that.
 
just because the computer industry uses the word permission when accessing networks doesnt mean the owner of the network is agreeing to that term.

now will someone answer my question?

why does my security log have so many attempts to access my computer? it says protected by Dos blocking and shows like fourty hits within the last fourty five minutes.
 
Re: Re: WTF? You have an open network.

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
With that being said I think WIFI is becoming pervasive enough that at some point most mobile (laptop/PDA) systems will be set to just automatically pick up a network no matter what/where or who its owned by. (Windows already does this by default.) If someone doesn’t want company on their network they will need to secure it at least to the extent that you can’t simply wander onto it by accident.

This is the case where I live. Perhaps that is the cause of our differing points of view.

Right now sitting in my living room I can detect 10 wireless networks, 4 of which are open. In fact, my entire neighborhood is covered with wireless networks many of which are open. Living in an area saturated with wireless networks and wireless users, I know many people who are used to using any network that is open. Indeed, many of these same users host their own open networks. And everyone knows that you don't use the closed networks because... they are closed.

That being said, I suppose I had falsely presumed the de facto rules established by my local community to be universally applicable.
 
Originally posted by stevietheb
I am a bit dismayed by those that think the kid is doing nothing wrong simply because you left it unprotected. That's like saying that it's OK for someone to come in and steal your TV because you forgot to lock the front door
that is completely ridiculous, the wireless connection is going straight into his living room.

according to hawaii state law and im sure many other state laws, anything protruding from a neighbors property into their own is subject to their own discretion. if a neighbors bush protrudes into my yard i can cut down the section if i wanted to. if i wanted to prune that section i can do that as well.

i dont know the nitty gritty about this law and WIFI but im sure something similar pertains. besides you knew that your WIFI radius would extend beyond your property into your neighbors yard, you choose not to encrypt it, as i said i dont know the specifics on the laws but IMO you sholdnt be able to penalize him for it.

why dont you do the right thing and just encrypt the damn thing instead of something childish like a prank.
 
Originally posted by Sun Baked
Too bad you can't divert every page request from his MAC Address to the Barney website.

Can be done with using a linux comp as a bridge and a quick iptables hack :p, summat like:

iptables -A OUTPUT --source-mac ff:ff:ff:ff:ff --dport 80 -j DNAT

and then make a NAT rule for him, that was off the top of my head i'm no iptables god :(
 
Originally posted by carbonmotion
oh yeah, and this kid needs to learn a lesson.... and also, I have alot of lan parties sometimes, and extreme security messures will cause problems in setting up everyone's computers

Security does cause inconveniences, but if you want it secure, then lock it down. At the very least, just enter a MAC address filter and tell him about it along with his parents. Then if he spoofs your address to get on, you have a legal right to take this a step further, as that is breaking into someone's network.

Also, if you are having LAN parties, why would you do it on wireless? It would be much faster and can have a lot more people on a switched LAN.

How much bandwidth do you have anyway? Theoretically, 802.11b supports 11Mbps, but in reality, you're only going to get 3Mbps tops with a great signal.
 
Aside from the fact that sending him any sort of e-mail virus is a "bad" idea think about it... you send him a virus that uses the internet at will... he uses your internet... hmmmmm.... might not be a good thing to have a virus using your internet...
 
Originally posted by sablagorgaat
You people are kidding, right?

Isn't it at least partially your fault for not securing your network properly? There are lots of things that can be done. Setting a WEP/WPA password, restricting the MAC addresses able to access your router, creating a closed network (not broadcasting your SSID--which you also should have changed from the default), etc.

While not completely foolproof, I think taking any or all of these measures should keep your network secure. Unleashing viruses on other people's computers, however, is not a smart thing to do.

I agree, technically it is his fault for not having configured his wireless router to prevent this in the first place. When I got my D-Link, that's the first thing I did: read the instructions. And, of course, some poor sap in the same apartment complex as me was broadcasting his "Linksys" and I could have easily used that.

Personally, I would just call the police. It's plain old stealing. Obviously the guy knows what he's doing, so he deserves to be caught and punished.
 
So, he mowns your lawn.... let him do it, and after he is done, count out the money right in front of his face. Then put it back in your pocket and say to him: this is just about the amount you owe me. And go inside! But first a couple of errors and fbi pranks on his pc would be cool and ofcourse setting your router to only one dumb foreign webpage as suggested!
 
Re: Re: Share The Love

Originally posted by carbonmotion
Its annoying because the first week I thought it was my connection being gay...

you're probably going to want to take that connection to the nearest gay-to-straight counseling service pronto! you have a civic duty to have it "fixed"!


why not just put a ****ing password on it? **** man..
 
STEALING?

First thing is first, is the kid actually stealing? when i first set up my parents (wintel) computer for wireless it attached to my neighbor's router by default b/c the neighbors router was open and the one i set up for my parents has 128 bit encription mac filtering and a slew of other protective measures (probably a bit much but it works) For some reason (because windows is lame) it will jump back to the neighbor's router and i have to re-set everything. so, ask the kid if he has his own router and is only on your accadentily (cause windows is lame).

if you KNOW he is stealing (like you see him percariously pearched on a window cill leaning your direction with a laptop) then take the following steps. . .

1) monitor his data transfer rate (most routers have this capability built in)

2) wait until you notice a lot of activity. (such as downloading american pie unrated that his parents wont let him rent, or playing whatever game it is people play online)

3) unplug your router.

4) wait 2 minutes and plug in router.

5) repeate steps 1-4 until he is fed up with the inconsitency of your router that he walks down to starbucks to steal it from there instead.
 
The moral and legal issues surrounding unprotected wireless networks are essentially irresolveable; there are valid arguments in both directions, and there's no way to reach an agreement since different points are more important for different people.

That said, I'm assuming that carbonmotion is explaining his particular situation accurately, in which case it'd be hard to make a strong argument that the kid isn't doing something wrong, if not in principle at least in the spirit of what he's doing.

The name of the access point implies it's not for open use, the kid apparently knows whose point it is and hasn't asked permission to use it despite having ample opportunity to do so, and his excessive use is causing a measureable negative impact on the owner of the connection. Besides, if he's downloading porn it might well be illegal use as well, potentially putting carbonmotion in some legal jepordy as well. (And if you want to get into another huge grey area, he could also be making carbonmotion 'responsible' for providing adult material to a minor.)

Point is, the kid's using the connection in bad faith; he knows whose it is, he knows that it isn't intended to be open, and he's using it enough to cause the owner an inconvienence.

This doesn't make him some sort of evil person, but playing a prank or two on him before cutting him off isn't exactly a high crime either. Although getting him in trouble with his parents, which he apparently deserves to be in, seems a much more appropriate solution.

By the way, for those saying he doesn't deserve to be pranked a bit because it's the victim's fault, isn't it just as legit the other way around? I'm sitting there minding my own business, and there's a bunch of traffic flowing through a router on my property, that I own. I'd say I have the right to intercept, mess with, or alter that data if I feel like it. If my open network hanging around in his living room allows him to use it, then his open data stream hanging aound in my router allows me to use that, too. His fault for not securing his connection, and his computer, right?
 
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