Other Theories of 'the notchless iPhone'

Ralfi

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Thinking of the most seemless way a user can interact with an actual full-screen smartphone, where every App just works, sans specific orientation, requiring handling corrections.

I have a theory & it resembles what Apple have done with the new iPad Pros, but expanded;

The all-screen iPhone will be a 'mirrored' design, where the top & bottom of the device are exactly the same, ie. They have matching speakers & microphones.

The iPad's hint at 'no incorrect way of holding the tablet', & I envisage this with the all-screen iPhone, where App developers have a much easier creation process, not needing to direct which way the user holds the device in order to avoid a notch, nor do developers need to think about focusing specific audio to emit from the front facing speaker, as oppose to a bottom firing speaker, as both speakers will aim out at identical angles, be positioned centrally & be as powerful as each other.

This also allows phone use from either orientation, (so you can't pick it up the wrong way when needing to make a call).... it'll be smart enough to know which microphone & speaker to use thanks to a next gen gyroscope that works much faster than the already class-leading variety of the iPhone.

What of the side buttons though? How will Apple deal keeping that side of things ( ;) ) uniform?... I'm presuming they'd want to keep that uniform, as screen shots, SOS calls etc. require certain left/right button combinations which aren't as easy to pull off now as compared to the Home-Buttoned iPhones of the past, so if they don't make it uniform, then it'll risk confusing people further.

What are we reckoning?
 
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Ralfi

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Having all the sensors twice would hugely increase the price of the phone.
Which sensors do you mean? The Face ID ones would only be at one end, since it'll work in all orientations, like it does on the iPad. It should work even better than the iPad being a smaller device with less of a detection angle when 'upside down' or on the left/right.
 

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Which sensors do you mean? The Face ID ones would only be at one end, since it'll work in all orientations, like it does on the iPad. It should work even better than the iPad being a smaller device with less of a detection angle when 'upside down' or on the left/right.
Forget about Face Id into an all screen phone. Maybe until Samsung starts the production of cameras under the display and anyway with that technology i doubt they will keep face id.
 

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Forget about Face Id into an all screen phone. Maybe until Samsung starts the production of cameras under the display and anyway with that technology i doubt they will keep face id.
Faceid is Apple’s future biometric security whether under display cameras or not. Touchid is never coming back...
 

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I could see the seamlessness of being able to look at your phone no matter what way you hold it happening, but doubt microphones etc. will be added twice due to space constraints, price increase and the sheer unfeasibility of it.
 

Natya Sadella

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I would be totally satisfied if they just adopt the new ipad „iphone 5 like“ design for the iphone xi. Then make the bezels at least 50% thinner (its ridicolous how fat they are, I had the fear I will hate the notch but instead I hate the bezels) and the notch 25% smaller by redesigning all those sensors and boom thats it. You cant have a fullscreen display when you need a camera, sensors, speaker etc. a completely bezel-less/notchfree isnt possible. Even when they introduce touch id under the glass, you need a selfie camera and speaker. Its simply not possible.
 

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I could see the seamlessness of being able to look at your phone no matter what way you hold it happening, but doubt microphones etc. will be added twice due to space constraints, price increase and the sheer unfeasibility of it.
Would an extra microphone cost that much more? The iPad Pro has at least 5 of them, hence why I'm thinking it shouldn't be too difficult to add an extra one to the top. Face ID module should shrink significantly by the time this concept is possible, so space shouldn't be an issue either?

I would be totally satisfied if they just adopt the new ipad „iphone 5 like“ design for the iphone xi. Then make the bezels at least 50% thinner (its ridicolous how fat they are, I had the fear I will hate the notch but instead I hate the bezels) and the notch 25% smaller by redesigning all those sensors and boom thats it. You cant have a fullscreen display when you need a camera, sensors, speaker etc. a completely bezel-less/notchfree isnt possible. Even when they introduce touch id under the glass, you need a selfie camera and speaker. Its simply not possible.
I'm thinking way beyond Xi, Natya. :D
 

Natya Sadella

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Would an extra microphone cost that much more? The iPad Pro has at least 5 of them, hence why I'm thinking it shouldn't be too difficult to add an extra one to the top. Face ID module should shrink significantly by the time this concept is possible, so space shouldn't be an issue either?



I'm thinking way beyond Xi, Natya. :D
Alright pseudo steve jobs
 
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I don't even notice the notch lol people gotta stop.
Me either but it seems to drive others crazy.

They will not stop. Apple is likely move the FaceID hardware into the bezel, do not even care if the bezel at the top is a bit bigger, but I have no problems with the notch. FaceID works great on my iPad 11.
 
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Me either but it seems to drive others crazy.

They will not stop. Apple is likely move the FaceID hardware into the bezel, do not even care if the bezel at the top is a bit bigger, but I have no problems with the notch. Works great on my iPad 11.
I never understood why people make such a big fuss about the notch. Within an hour of using it on my X last year, I forgot about it. Even when watching movies I don’t pay it any mind.
 

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I never understood why people make such a big fuss about the notch. Within an hour of using it on my X last year, I forgot about it. Even when watching movies I don’t pay it any mind.
I guess humans are all different. We do not even see the notch anymore and others can not stop seeing it.

I am glad that the little things do not bother me as it looks like some are being driven crazy with these things,.
 
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I don't see why a vertically-symmetrical phone is necessary.

You're trying to compare it to the iPad, but you're forgetting the iPad has a pretty thick bezel around the screen. About as thick as the notch is, if I'm eye-balling it right. That means if you want a symmetrical iPhone, you're adding a chin to the bottom, and that is a step backwards from the design so far.
 

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I never understood why people make such a big fuss about the notch. Within an hour of using it on my X last year, I forgot about it. Even when watching movies I don’t pay it any mind.
I was not a fan of the notch as an outside observer. After getting a phone with the notch it does not bother me. I'm either looking at the center of the screen to read or the bottom to type. The only time my eyes go to the top of the screen is to check the time or battery level. And it is just a quick glance.
 

Natya Sadella

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I always thought that the notch is so ugly until my xs arrived. Since the first minute with the device it doesnt bother me anymore. The only thing I dont like about the notch is the new control center gesture, as I always have to do some hand acrobatics to get to the flashlight.
 

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I was not a fan of the notch as an outside observer. After getting a phone with the notch it does not bother me. I'm either looking at the center of the screen to read or the bottom to type. The only time my eyes go to the top of the screen is to check the time or battery level. And it is just a quick glance.
I too only look at the top when I’m checking the time, battery level, control center or Notification Center. I don’t even use reachability.
 

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I never understood why people make such a big fuss about the notch. Within an hour of using it on my X last year, I forgot about it. Even when watching movies I don’t pay it any mind.
I don't mind the notch at all when using my phone for anything but video. I barely watch any video on my X now because the notch is so noticeable in full screen mode. Everyone see's the notch differently.
 

Ralfi

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We're thinking beyond the notch, people. :rolleyes:

Back on topic...
I don't see why a vertically-symmetrical phone is necessary.

You're trying to compare it to the iPad, but you're forgetting the iPad has a pretty thick bezel around the screen. About as thick as the notch is, if I'm eye-balling it right. That means if you want a symmetrical iPhone, you're adding a chin to the bottom, and that is a step backwards from the design so far.
You're thinking of the current notched iPhone design.

I'm thinking of a future device that has the current left, bottom & right bezel also on the top, with Face ID, camera & sensors hidden underneath the screen.

With just a plain glass screen to look at, people are going to pick up the phone upside down more often, as there won't be a notch to help them figure out which end is the top.

Hence why my theory of Apple going down the symmetrical route - also no more "You're holding it wrong" gags. :D
 

Natya Sadella

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Samsung already has the technologies for:

A) camera under screen
B) speaker under screen
C) sensors under screen

So I‘m sorry for the motivated young iphone messiahs ralfi who will change the world but this thread is pointless now.
 

Ralfi

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Samsung already has the technologies for:

A) camera under screen
B) speaker under screen
C) sensors under screen

So I‘m sorry for the motivated young iphone messiahs ralfi who will change the world but this thread is pointless now.
It's not a race, Natya.

I hope Samsung get it done this year. Everyone progresses & every consumer wins.

This thread's just about how iPhones will be. Nothing to do with battles v other manufacturers. :D
 

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Faceid is Apple’s future biometric security whether under display cameras or not. Touchid is never coming back...
Never say never...

I remember when Steve Jobs introduced iPod Photo years ago. It was only for photo because the screen was too small (2") to watching videos comfortable, even when competitors use similar tiny screens to play video. Guess what... next year Steve Jobs introduced iPod Video with "so much bigger display" 2,5"...

Strange enough, there were iPod nano's with 2" display (3rd and 4th gen) and 2,2" (5th gen) and suddenly screen size was not a problem to play video.

Apple changed their mind a lot, so they can bring Touch ID (under display) back. They can always say that by this move, user can secure device even more than ever (fingerprint + face scan simultaneously)
 
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We're thinking beyond the notch, people. :rolleyes:

Back on topic...

You're thinking of the current notched iPhone design.

I'm thinking of a future device that has the current left, bottom & right bezel also on the top, with Face ID, camera & sensors hidden underneath the screen.

With just a plain glass screen to look at, people are going to pick up the phone upside down more often, as there won't be a notch to help them figure out which end is the top.

Hence why my theory of Apple going down the symmetrical route - also no more "You're holding it wrong" gags. :D
It's also possible they will make a phone that is shaped differently to add a new feature in the future. It could have a definite top and bottom implied by the shape.