**There WILL be Blu-Ray on New Macs!**

[GoCubsGo]

Tell that to Tallest Skil.

This isn't about him, I trust his word as much as I trust anything else on the internet.

I know Apple is on the BR board of directors. I know this version of FCS supports BD burning. I wouldn't be surprised to see native (protected) BD playback in SL.

This is the way it should be worded. If FCS supports BR burning then it is highly likely we'll see it but there is no definite. I sat in my living room with a friend last night and said the same thing, so yeah.

Read the above. Apple is on the BR board of directors. They should be using it now.

Please. You would think it means something but clearly it does not.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

I'll believe it when I see it.

It's a "bag of hurt" and we're on the board of directors.

It doesn't make sense, does it? Apple should either get off the board or implement BD playback.

This isn't about him, I trust his word as much as I trust anything else on the internet.

This is the way it should be worded. If FCS supports BR burning then it is highly likely we'll see it but there is no definite. I sat in my living room with a friend last night and said the same thing, so yeah.



Please. You would think it means something but clearly it does not.

It means whoever decided to get on the board was an idiot. If you're not going to use something, why support it or make decisions regarding it?

 

[GoCubsGo]

I couldn't agree more.

 

[yoak]

I can burn Blu-Rays with my SuperDrive? Really? You obviously need a BD burner and an application that supports it.

I have a feeling that we'll be seeing BD video support in SL. The icons for BD are already in Leopard.

There is no problem to burn BD file to a normal DVD with to your Superdrive. I have done this using Toast for a long time. The problem is you only get about 20min on a 8 gig DVD.
I´ve used my PS3 to play them on my TV, worked like a charm. I don´t hink they will play on many BD players though.

 

[faustfire]

I'm not saying that the next Mac Pro refresh won't have a BlueRay option, but the fact that FCP now has very limited support for it means nothing.

All Apple did was give you a way to burn very basic BR disks with no menu authoring in DVDSP.

IMO, it was added to help draw peoples attention away from the fact that the new FCS update is very lackluster.

 

[Nermal]

Don't get too excited. DVDSP 4 had HD DVD support, and there was a corresponding update to Tiger's DVD Player app to play back the resulting HD DVDs. However, it won't play commercial movies. The HD DVD support is very "narrow" and only includes the features that DVD SP offers.

It wouldn't surprise me if Blu-ray support goes the same way. I'd be happy if Apple did release a fully-fledged BR player, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Fact is, you can burn a BD Disc today on a Mac using Toast 10 and I believe Encore from Adobe. You need an external burner for that. Those are available from LaCie e.g. Now Compressor and compressor only not DVD Studio Pro does add the same functionality in FCS. Those BD discs are only for non-commercial private use.

There are as well ways to produce a commercial reproducable BD disc master. For more information about this I recommend reading this FAQ

You cannot playback a commercially bought BD Disc on a Mac. That sucks. I hope they add this to Snow Leopard.

 

[racer1441]

I can assure you there is a massive difference when you watch it on a 1080p TV.

For instance, on our 52'' Sony, 480i (SD) looks like crap, because the TV is 1080p.

When you watch a Blu-Ray, however, there is a massively ultra huge difference.

You need at least a 1080p 40'', IMO, to see a difference.

The last setup I saw was a Vizio 42" 1080p hooked to a Blueray, and I couldn't see a single difference between it and the DVD. I guess it's possible that it's something I just don't see, but I'm not sure it isn't just a marketing thing. It's like those Direct TV ads, it's a million-pd!

Is there any practical technology use for blue ray outside of entertainment?

 

[Fishrrman]

RE:
"Can someone please explain what the big deal is about Blueray. I've seen it both in stores, and in other people's home theater systems, and I just don't see how it looks any better"

Look at these examples:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=617171&postcount=5

Regarding the entire Apple v. BluRay argument in general - I think there is as much chance of Apple supporting BluRay as there ever was of Apple moving from PowerPC to Intel processors.

Remember a year or so before the Intel iMacs debuted, when Apple denied the existence a "parallel" development of the Mac OS for Intel processors?

- John

 

[Tallest Skil]

This means Macs will support Blu-Ray video discs natively in the near future.

Will they, now.

This isn't about him, I trust his word as much as I trust anything else on the internet.

And that's probably for the best. *respectful nod emoticon* I have my reasons for saying things like I do, anyway.

Don't get too excited. DVDSP 4 had HD DVD support, and there was a corresponding update to Tiger's DVD Player app to play back the resulting HD DVDs. However, it won't play commercial movies. The HD DVD support is very "narrow" and only includes the features that DVD SP offers.

It wouldn't surprise me if Blu-ray support goes the same way. I'd be happy if Apple did release a fully-fledged BR player, but I'm not holding my breath.

Sums up exactly what I was thinking (and said in the pseudo-official thread about the new Final Cut).

 

[techfreak85]

ya none of those pics say anything is all about 3rd party stuff.

but one could draw the logical conclusion from all this stuff recently, that it is
imminent

 

[racer1441]

RE:
"Can someone please explain what the big deal is about Blueray. I've seen it both in stores, and in other people's home theater systems, and I just don't see how it looks any better"

Look at these examples:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=617171&postcount=5

- John

Guess it's me. They look the same to me.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Guess it's me. They look the same to me.

Are you playing the DVDs from a BD player? A BD player "upscales" the DVD to near-HD quality.

 

[kfury77]

Guess it's me. They look the same to me.

they look the same to you?? Are you serious? They are massively different, look at the contrast and sharpness of the details of those scenes from Blade Runner... and look at the wrinkles of the old man, the last photo on the '2001: A Space Odysey' comparison. The wrinkles are barely noticeable on DVD but look very defined on Blu-Ray. Take another look.

Blu-Ray is fantastic, I've got about 25 movies so far and would never buy a normal DVD movie again.

On the subject of Blu-Ray on Macs, I would definitly put money on it appearing on Macs before the end of the year. Remember Blu-Ray is also mentioned in the "About" dialog box in iTunes. iTunes can use the Gracenote DB to get details of a Blu-Ray movie when in disc drive of a mac.

 

[Tilpots]

Guess it's me. They look the same to me.

No disrespect intended here, honest, but if you can't see the difference, you may have vision issues. The clarity between the examples above are quite discernible and the actual difference when viewing a DVD and a BR video side by side on the same screen is dramatic. Again, not trying to start a fight or insult you, but you may really need to consult a doctor.

 

[techfreak85]

Are you playing the DVDs from a BD player? A BD player "upscales" the DVD to near-HD quality.

I think the whole up-converting thing is completely bogus. i hardly watch STD DVDs anymore and i was watching a Dvd yesterday and it looked like utter CRAP!
A blu-ray on the other hand....

 

[faustfire]

No disrespect intended here, honest, but if you can't see the difference, you may have vision issues. The clarity between the examples above are quite discernible and the actual difference when viewing a DVD and a BR video side by side on the same screen is dramatic. Again, not trying to start a fight or insult you, but you may really need to consult a doctor.

Seriously...maybe he's spent a bit too much time staring at the sun.

 

[racer1441]

Seriously...maybe he's spent a bit too much time staring at the sun.

Nice.....


But seriously, I don't see that much of a difference, let alone enough to justify the cost. Apple could never touch blueray and I'd be as happy as can be unless there is an actual real technical benefit, besides seeing some guys wrinkles better.

 

[michael.lauden]

Guess it's me. They look the same to me.

unless you have a terrible monitor, or you aren't wearing glasses when you need to be. you can see a rather large difference

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Nice.....


But seriously, I don't see that much of a difference, let alone enough to justify the cost. Apple could never touch blueray and I'd be as happy as can be unless there is an actual real technical benefit, besides seeing some guys wrinkles better.

There is a real benefit: 25 GB of storage. And that's a single layer. Dual layers go up to 50 GB. Most BD movies and PS3 games are on DLs.

 

[Tallest Skil]

There is a real benefit: 25 GB of storage. And that's a single layer. Dual layers go up to 50 GB. Most BD movies and PS3 games are on DLs.

$70 for a 32GB SDHC card now and half that in six months, etc.

~$200 for a 64GB SDXC card now and half that in six months, etc.

NAND is already cheaper in the long run. Put movies on that and kill spinning disks.

 

[Eidorian]

$70 for a 32GB SDHC card now and half that in six months, etc.

~$200 for a 64GB SDXC card now and half that in six months, etc.

NAND is already cheaper in the long run. Put movies on that and kill spinning disks.

Can't press NAND.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

$70 for a 32GB SDHC card now and half that in six months, etc.

~$200 for a 64GB SDXC card now and half that in six months, etc.

NAND is already cheaper in the long run. Put movies on that and kill spinning disks.

But a single-layer BD is $15 now, and will cost the same as a CD in less than two years.

Plus BD is faster.

And who has an SDXC anything? People already have BD players. SDXC is a totally different appearance and feel. People don't like change.

 

[Tallest Skil]

People don't like change.

Screw that!

Change gave us USB over ADB and PS/2.
Change gave us DVD over CD and Blu-ray over DVD.
Change gave us 3.5" floppies over 5.25" floppies and CDs over 3.5" floppies.
Change gave us LCD over CRT and ATA (and subsequently SATA) over SCSI.
Change gave us PCIe over NuBus.

And you're telling me that you're going to stick with Blu-ray just because you don't like change?

Well, I say, "NAY!"

*imagine patriotic music in the background with the volume slowly increasing*

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Screw that!

Change gave us USB over ADB and PS/2.
Change gave us DVD over CD and Blu-ray over DVD.
Change gave us 3.5" floppies over 5.25" floppies and CDs over 3.5" floppies.
Change gave us LCD over CRT and ATA (and subsequently SATA) over SCSI.
Change gave us PCIe over NuBus.

And you're telling me that you're going to stick with Blu-ray just because you don't like change?

Well, I say, "NAY!"

*imagine patriotic music in the background with the volume slowly increasing*

USB - Not a huge change, really. You plug it in and forget it.

Floppies - Back when barley anyone had a computer.

LCD to CRT - Again, plug it in and forget it.

ATA to SATA - Nobody sees that.

NuBus to PCI - Nobody sees that stuff.

CD to DVD - Very, very small change.

To change to SDXC would be stupid. It is slower and more expensive and nobody has a player, much less a writer, and it is easily misplaced.

Ever wonder why nothing gets done in the US? Because people don't like change (and they're lazy). It is expensive and takes forever. People like instant gratification. People don't like to wait. That's why the economy went down the crapper.

If it looks the similar, operates basically the same, and doesn't cost a lot, people accept it.

I think the whole up-converting thing is completely bogus. i hardly watch STD DVDs anymore and i was watching a Dvd yesterday and it looked like utter CRAP!
A blu-ray on the other hand....

Upscaling is bogus. It is touted as a massive improvement over a standard DVD, however.