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**There WILL be Blu-Ray on New Macs!**

For those who cant see the difference in DVD vs Blu-ray check this out...

Here's a DVD cap blown up to 1080p:


And here is a Blu-ray cap at its native 1080p resolution:


NOW can you see the difference? Its night & day.
 
racer1441 said:
There was a nice quality jump from VHS to DVD, but I have yet to see a situation where the HD or Blueray or what ever they come up with next makes a difference. Certainly not at the price point for Blueray.
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You may want to get your eyes checked.
 
spillproof said:
**There WILL be Blood if you're wrong!**

Didn't Apple say a while ago that the drives are too big for them to use in the uMBPs? I don't know, I thought I remembered that. I digress if I'm wrong.
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Correct, the only Bluray drives currently available are 12.7mm and Apple uses 9.5mm DVD drives.

I want Bluray too but it's not going to happen on the Apple laptop line until someone comes ups with a thinner drive.

Cheers,
 
Wow, some people actually dont see a difference from DVD to blu-ray seriously need an eye-test, or 3.
 
(BIG, EMPHATIC, DELIBERATE) YAWN....

Sorry, what were you guys saying? Today is wear blue day or something?
 
there is a difference. i wish the MBPs had them or atleast the one im trying to get had one. would be pretty sweet to have a blu ray player.
 
Shake 'n' Bake said:
There is a real benefit: 25 GB of storage. And that's a single layer. Dual layers go up to 50 GB. Most BD movies and PS3 games are on DLs.
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Ok, that's an actual technical benefit, and a very useful one.


As for the folks who think 'if you can't see it, better get your eyes checked' I suggests a quick run to a therapist to make sure you're not off your nut, seeing things that are barely there may be a sign of a larger problem.

Eminemdrdre00 said:
For those who cant see the difference in DVD vs Blu-ray check this out...

NOW can you see the difference? Its night & day.
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It's not night and day. It's night and slightly later night.

Atleast there is a useful reason for blue ray, as far as storage of data goes apparently.
 
Tilpots said:
No disrespect intended here, honest, but if you can't see the difference, you may have vision issues. The clarity between the examples above are quite discernible and the actual difference when viewing a DVD and a BR video side by side on the same screen is dramatic. Again, not trying to start a fight or insult you, but you may really need to consult a doctor.
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Come on. It will look the same until Steve says it doesn't.
 
racer1441 said:
Ok, that's an actual technical benefit, and a very useful one.


As for the folks who think 'if you can't see it, better get your eyes checked' I suggests a quick run to a therapist to make sure you're not off your nut, seeing things that are barely there may be a sign of a larger problem.
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It's more than barely there. There is a HUGE difference in sharpness/contrast and overall quality!
 
geoffreak said:
I have heard that this only will burn unencrypted blu-ray disks. In other words, it won't play in a blu-ray player. I don't think Apple will offer any blu-ray option until their pro suites can actually create blu-ray disks that are playable in players.
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I'm sure people will find a way once they have the hardware, right?
 
panzer06 said:
Correct, the only Bluray drives currently available are 12.7mm and Apple uses 9.5mm DVD drives.

I want Bluray too but it's not going to happen on the Apple laptop line until someone comes ups with a thinner drive.

Cheers,
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Are you talking about the slot-loading ones? There are tray-loaders for desktops.

MovieCutter said:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....


sorry....

Are you watching those SD DVDs that are upscaled to "near-HD quality" on that same 1080p TV?
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IMO, upscaling is a lie. It just makes the picture worse.
 
Tilpots said:
No disrespect intended here, honest, but if you can't see the difference, you may have vision issues. The clarity between the examples above are quite discernible and the actual difference when viewing a DVD and a BR video side by side on the same screen is dramatic. Again, not trying to start a fight or insult you, but you may really need to consult a doctor.
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My vision is better than 20/20 and I still can't tell a difference on the majority of those images. Those with a difference are so subtle that I can't justify running out and replacing my SD DVD player and 50+ DVDs. Granted, I only checked Casino Royale and the linked Batman images, but even at the local Best Buy, the difference appears insignificant to me.
 
gavin83209 said:
My vision is better than 20/20 and I still can't tell a difference on the majority of those images. Those with a difference are so subtle that I can't justify running out and replacing my SD DVD player and 50+ DVDs. Granted, I only checked Casino Royale and the linked Batman images, but even at the local Best Buy, the difference appears insignificant to me.
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so, you checked the linked batman images and saw only a subtle/barely noticable difference? something is wrong mate
 
racer1441 said:
As for the folks who think 'if you can't see it, better get your eyes checked' I suggests a quick run to a therapist to make sure you're not off your nut, seeing things that are barely there may be a sign of a larger problem.
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I truly meant to show nothing but concern for your health.

It's not night and day. It's night and slightly later night.

Atleast there is a useful reason for blue ray, as far as storage of data goes apparently.
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The difference is night and day. The reason these discs have to hold so much information is the massive amount of detail each frame of video holds.

gavin83209 said:
My vision is better than 20/20 and I still can't tell a difference on the majority of those images. Those with a difference are so subtle that I can't justify running out and replacing my SD DVD player and 50+ DVDs. Granted, I only checked Casino Royale and the linked Batman images, but even at the local Best Buy, the difference appears insignificant to me.
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The static images aren't nearly as dramatic as the moving pictures, but the difference should still be quite noticeable.

You and the other poster may feel that the increased price is not enough to justify the purchase and that's fine, it's your opinion, but it's hard to comprehend denying the picture quality improvement between DVD and BR.
 
racer1441 said:
It's not night and day. It's night and slightly later night.

Atleast there is a useful reason for blue ray, as far as storage of data goes apparently.
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Are you sure you even clicked on those images to view them in full size? There is a BIG different in the screengrabs that Eminemdrdre00 posted.

In fact, a screen larger than 23 inches should yield significant results between SD and HD content (23 inches and larger usually have a resolution of 1920 x 1200). I'm talking about computer monitors BTW. For HDTVs, it's pretty similar in range as well. Most LCD HDTVs carry 1366 x 768 panels, so it's still much higher resolution than SD. Remember, SD is 720 x 480, and if it's widesceen 16:9, that 720 x 480 is STRETCHED, making the image even blurrier. So 720 x 480 upscaled to 1920 x 1080. See the significant resolution loss from going up? HD is more than TWICE the resolution of SD.

If you can't see the difference, something is really WRONG with your eyes. Oh, and I'm hoping you're not one of those people that has an HDTV, but has a blu-ray or HD player connected with standard composite cables.

"OH THERE AIN'T NO DIFFERENCE MAN I GOT MY PS3 HOOKED UP TO AN HDTV."
"Are you sure you hooked it up with HDMI cables?"
"WHAT'S THAT?" :rolleyes:

Or you may be one of those people that stands like 20 feet away watching a movie? From that distance, yes, resolution plays less of an impact, since your eyes can't focus into those tiny pixels from so far away. :p
 
fiercetiger224 said:
Most LCD HDTVs carry 1366 x 768 panels
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That depends on the size.

Everything below 32'' is 1366x768 or less. (The "or less" is the 15'' crap that is just SD with progressive scan).

There are a few 1080p 32''.

From 32'' to 46'', it's kind of a crapshoot. Some are 1366x768 others are 1920x1080.

Once you're above 46'', pretty much everything is 1920x1080. A lot come with a 120 Hz refresh rate, too, with 240 Hz being at the top end.
 
I'm gonna chime in here and say that yes, at both my local BestBuy, my friend's houses, and in the above screencaps, there is a massive difference between the standard-definition DVDs and the 1080p Blu-rays.

And it seems people are forgetting the large difference in sound quality. DVDs either have DTS or Dolby lossy encoding, whereas Blu-rays generally have Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA lossless. Granted you'd need a pretty good sound system to notice this (which are relatively less affordable than a decent 1080p TV), but the difference is there.
 
to those who don't see a difference in the screen shots, are you clicking on the image in photobucket, then clicking it again to zoom it to full size. Because if not, that's why you don't see the difference. Those dark night images are comparable to the leap from VHS to DVD.

And to the guy complaining about the cost of bluray, you are WRONG. Sure, high end players can be a few hundred dollars, but you can get bluray players for $100-$150 now, which isn't expensive at all. And discs are $25-$30, which isn't that much more expensive than a DVD considering what you are getting.

And tvs at best buy and friends houses are hard to judge because you don't know how they are hooked up. Depending on how a tv is calibrated, the source native resolution and the input/display native res. images can look very different just based off of the connections and or equipment used.
 
Shake 'n' Bake said:
Ever wonder why nothing gets done in the US? Because people don't like change (and they're lazy). It is expensive and takes forever. People like instant gratification. People don't like to wait. That's why the economy went down the crapper.
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I generally don't bother to post but your reply was quite frankly ridiculous.

USB - Not a huge change, really. You plug it in and forget it.
How about the fact that almost every external device you buy today is connected by a single unified interface? Even non-techies talk about USB and when they buy a new digital camera, they know they can plug it into their standard USB port.

Floppies - Back when barley anyone had a computer.
Sorry? People were still using floppys until at least the end of the millenium. I still have one in my PC for the fact that at the time I needed one to load SATA drivers (Pre XP SP1 or 2, I forget)

LCD to CRT - Again, plug it in and forget it.
Err.. I think most peoples desks saw a huge improvement in space to say the least.

ATA to SATA - Nobody sees that.
NuBus to PCI - Nobody sees that stuff.
Whether or not people see something is irrelevant, they wouldn't have been developed if and ratified if they weren't of any use. It's like saying nobody cares what engine is sitting in their car because you don't see that stuff

CD to DVD - Very, very small change.
How about VHS to DVD then? Huge improvement. The only way to compare CDs directly to DVDs is storage wise which is sorta pointless. They're used for different things.

People might not like change specifically but if they see something thats better than what they've got they want it. By your argument we'd never see any technlological development because 'people don't like change'.
 
HaiRy said:
I generally don't bother to post but your reply was quite frankly ridiculous.

USB - Not a huge change, really. You plug it in and forget it.
How about the fact that almost every external device you buy today is connected by a single unified interface? Even non-techies talk about USB and when they buy a new digital camera, they know they can plug it into their standard USB port.
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More than half the the people I know don't know what USB stands for, which is irrelevant, I suppose. And those non-techies only know they can use the USB port because it looks the same.

Floppies - Back when barley anyone had a computer.
Sorry? People were still using floppys until at least the end of the millenium. I still have one in my PC for the fact that at the time I needed one to load SATA drivers (Pre XP SP1 or 2, I forget)
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I suppose you're right on this one.

LCD to CRT - Again, plug it in and forget it.
Err.. I think most peoples desks saw a huge improvement in space to say the least.
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But you still just plug it in and forget it. Most people get a new monitor when they get a new computer.


ATA to SATA - Nobody sees that.
NuBus to PCI - Nobody sees that stuff.
Whether or not people see something is irrelevant, they wouldn't have been developed if and ratified if they weren't of any use. It's like saying nobody cares what engine is sitting in their car because you don't see that stuff
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With the exception of one or two, the people I know don't give a crap about the engine in their car as long as it gets good mileage.


CD to DVD - Very, very small change.
How about VHS to DVD then? Huge improvement. The only way to compare CDs directly to DVDs is storage wise which is sorta pointless. They're used for different things.
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VHS to DVD. I suppose you're right again.

People might not like change specifically but if they see something thats better than what they've got they want it. By your argument we'd never see any technlological development because 'people don't like change'.
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They only want it if it looks the same, does the same thing, and costs the same.

I don't think you've ever looked at how people look at new technology. If you'd like, I can show a few examples.
 
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