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Yes, but it's part of why I binned Windows (although not all).
I'll take "nothing", please. I have no use for such a program.
Again, I have no use for them. Photos and images I'd rather look at in a folder view as thumbnails and pull them up in preview.For manipulating the contents of a digital camera, iPhoto just adds needless complexity in my book. (which I suppose is not dissimilar to what I think about iTunes/iPods versus just dumping MP3s to a device that appears as a USB removable disk). iMovie/Moviemaker, pint of bothered please. VisualHub is about as far as I ever go with that sort of thing, converting the occasional xvid to DVD so my luddite friends can play it.
And we haven't spoken about QuickTime yet, which never gets used on my machine. Used to be a VLC man, now use MPlayer Extended more often than not.
I suppose what I'm getting at is *I* will choose my software - not Apple - and I resent being prodded into using theirs because the OS assumes that no-one in their right mind would want to do anything else.Microsoft got mullered by the Justice Department over in Yankland for similar practices ref Media Player and IE. I see little different. To my mind all this iBollocks adds no value (albeit to me) and I'd rather see a light (but excellent) OS that one can then fill up with applications of their choice. I also resent the "but EVERYONE needs to be getting into the iLife mentality and authoring movies, and making music, and doing what we think you should be doing with your computer" approach. GarageBand? GarageBand? Sheesh, I ask you. As I said in my original post, it's all part of the "Apple way or the highway" mentality they seem to have.
Yankland? Someone thinks they're better than other people.
The difference between the two is that Microsoft has a majority of market share. A precedent was originally set in the issue regarding the bundling of Internet Explorer in Windows. Microsoft used their weight in the operating system market to affect the success of Netscape in the browser market. Thus RealNetworks was able to use that same logic in their suit. Apple has no such clout, having one of the smallest shares of the operating system market.
I respect your right to run what you want on your computer and to have your own opinions about what is good and bad about Mac OS. Having said that, it is quite possible to express your opinions without referring to a country as "Yankland." We don't refer to the UK as anything but the UK. We could, but we don't. It wouldn't be particularly difficult.
i-This and i-That
Let me toss my 2 cents. I use both OSX and XP.
There's nothing really to hate about Macs, they are nice pieces of technology. Thus there's also no need to become defensive about Macs. People who over-emphasize their likes and dislikes probably don't know much about the other side of things and are minding their own specific habits. Well I happen to know a bit of both so maybe I could share some useful word here.
Operating system:
-OSX, no question: it's safer, much more stable, and has some very nice exclusive features.
-XP is less in either of above respects, but also has a few nice exclusives, and allows certain things to be done faster.
Applications:
This depends much on how one uses his/her computer. OSX comes with a suite of programs which can be useful, some of which has no equivalent in the Windows package, for example iCal.
So it's kind of pointless to compare the i-stuff which comes with OSX with the stuff which comes with Windows since Windows users hardly use anything from Windows other than the OS itself. For most part they choose third-party software. Third-party software is the basis for both Windows usefulness and headaches: they provide more choices which is good, at the expense of often providing trouble when making these choices work (some swiftly "just work", others not.)
There are professional environments in which a Mac-based system can't be matched: movie creation and pro audio. It's not that you can't do those with a PC, it's just that a Mac can be much more powerful besides more stable and reliable given Mac-only software developments such as Final Cut, Pro Tools, and Logic, besides the unique hardware capabilities of a MacPro or even a MacBook Pro. If you're seriously into such businesses why would you discard all such power ?
Then, there is discernment: do I need all that ? Possibly not, and for your usual stuff you might possibly find a productivity edge in Windows.
Example 1: making DVDs from DV videos (not getting much into creating stuff). Well there's Procoder, DVDlab, VirtualDub and other handy tools, and even Vegas for extra possibilities, and even Adobe's Premiere with its powerful suite on both audio and graphics side. And Nero ... Really, no need for Final Cut here.
Example 2: you want to do high quality audio work really fast without opening a whole suite, and quickly apply DSP or FX or quickly get something recorded. Can't do this better than Adobe Audition, something you won't have in OSX. (Note: I mean quick tasks, not complete and beautiful as Logic). Also if you want to do MIDI sequencing and VIs and VSTs you will find a whole wealth of possibilities in Windows (Reaper, Sonar, Cubase, EWQL, Vienna, etc etc etc), though as separate parts unlike the beautiful and cost-effective completeness of Mac-only Logic.
Example 3: none of the stuff above, you just happen to be wanting to do certain things very quickly like: browsing hundreds of web pages, or thousands of JPEG images. Take the power of Opera and good ol' ACDsee to extremes and try to compare results with Mac alternatives. By the time you access one single image with QuickLook (very nice feature BTW), you could have passed through half a dozen in ACDsee. What about watching movies and listening mp3s ? Is there anything like WinAmp or KMplayer or BSplayer for Macs ? And there's ProShow ... And what about those small applications which quickly close with the ESC key, or even the choice of using this feature in several of them ? And yes, I'd be happier to resize Mac windows from anywhere in the frame, and I'd be happier to have full-screen without OSX menu showing (with some apps it's possible).
There are other examples, but: there are also plenty examples why one would be better off using OSX, the most evident one being the nice integration of Mail, Address Book and iCal, for a simple and elegant mix of efficiency, and free of visures. (The one thing I'm not totally convinced about Macs is their security against hacking.) Spaces, firewire implementaion, BootCamp are just a few exclusives that are so nice to live with.
So really, having explored the capabilities of both OSX and XP, I must say why not take advantage of both if you can ? A nice exclusive of OSX is that it allows for natively and legally running Windows in the same machine. And once it's done, it is much easier to keep a quick Windows system backup for when it goes bad: a freeware software will do it, no need for stuff like Ghost, True Image, etc. Technically, it seems that one can have OSX in a PC laptop or netbook, but not legally I suppose.
So when choosing the machine I can't see why not getting a Mac other than arguably saving money or some specific reason such as portability features (where Lenovo shines against Apple).
Hope this helps for a constructive discussion.
Let me toss my 2 cents. I use both OSX and XP.
There's nothing really to hate about Macs, they are nice pieces of technology. Thus there's also no need to become defensive about Macs. People who over-emphasize their likes and dislikes probably don't know much about the other side of things and are minding their own specific habits. Well I happen to know a bit of both so maybe I could share some useful word here.
Operating system:
-OSX, no question: it's safer, much more stable, and has some very nice exclusive features.
-XP is less in either of above respects, but also has a few nice exclusives, and allows certain things to be done faster.
Applications:
This depends much on how one uses his/her computer. OSX comes with a suite of programs which can be useful, some of which has no equivalent in the Windows package, for example iCal.
So it's kind of pointless to compare the i-stuff which comes with OSX with the stuff which comes with Windows since Windows users hardly use anything from Windows other than the OS itself. For most part they choose third-party software. Third-party software is the basis for both Windows usefulness and headaches: they provide more choices which is good, at the expense of often providing trouble when making these choices work (some swiftly "just work", others not.)
There are professional environments in which a Mac-based system can't be matched: movie creation and pro audio. It's not that you can't do those with a PC, it's just that a Mac can be much more powerful besides more stable and reliable given Mac-only software developments such as Final Cut, Pro Tools, and Logic, besides the unique hardware capabilities of a MacPro or even a MacBook Pro. If you're seriously into such businesses why would you discard all such power ?
Then, there is discernment: do I need all that ? Possibly not, and for your usual stuff you might possibly find a productivity edge in Windows.
Example 1: making DVDs from DV videos (not getting much into creating stuff). Well there's Procoder, DVDlab, VirtualDub and other handy tools, and even Vegas for extra possibilities, and even Adobe's Premiere with its powerful suite on both audio and graphics side. And Nero ... Really, no need for Final Cut here.
Example 2: you want to do high quality audio work really fast without opening a whole suite, and quickly apply DSP or FX or quickly get something recorded. Can't do this better than Adobe Audition, something you won't have in OSX. (Note: I mean quick tasks, not complete and beautiful as Logic). Also if you want to do MIDI sequencing and VIs and VSTs you will find a whole wealth of possibilities in Windows (Reaper, Sonar, Cubase, EWQL, Vienna, etc etc etc), though as separate parts unlike the beautiful and cost-effective completeness of Mac-only Logic.
Example 3: none of the stuff above, you just happen to be wanting to do certain things very quickly like: browsing hundreds of web pages, or thousands of JPEG images. Take the power of Opera and good ol' ACDsee to extremes and try to compare results with Mac alternatives. By the time you access one single image with QuickLook (very nice feature BTW), you could have passed through half a dozen in ACDsee. What about watching movies and listening mp3s ? Is there anything like WinAmp or KMplayer or BSplayer for Macs ? And there's ProShow ... And what about those small applications which quickly close with the ESC key, or even the choice of using this feature in several of them ? And yes, I'd be happier to resize Mac windows from anywhere in the frame, and I'd be happier to have full-screen without OSX menu showing (with some apps it's possible).
There are other examples, but: there are also plenty examples why one would be better off using OSX, the most evident one being the nice integration of Mail, Address Book and iCal, for a simple and elegant mix of efficiency, and free of visures. (The one thing I'm not totally convinced about Macs is their security against hacking.) Spaces, firewire implementaion, BootCamp are just a few exclusives that are so nice to live with.
So really, having explored the capabilities of both OSX and XP, I must say why not take advantage of both if you can ? A nice exclusive of OSX is that it allows for natively and legally running Windows in the same machine. And once it's done, it is much easier to keep a quick Windows system backup for when it goes bad: a freeware software will do it, no need for stuff like Ghost, True Image, etc. Technically, it seems that one can have OSX in a PC laptop or netbook, but not legally I suppose.
So when choosing the machine I can't see why not getting a Mac other than arguably saving money or some specific reason such as portability features (where Lenovo shines against Apple).
Hope this helps for a constructive discussion.
For me
-No cut/paste file and folders
-Extracted files appear ontop of other files and folders
-Cant disconnect from airport.
And depending where I am using my macbook,I wish the mag safe connector was on the other side
-No cut/paste file and folders
-Extracted files appear ontop of other files and folders
-Cant disconnect from airport.
And depending where I am using my macbook,I wish the mag safe connector was on the other side
That was a pretty unbiased look at mac v. pc. I will take only one exception to it. I had a MacPro setup at my old job that could open .psd in quicklook faster than opening ACDsee. It would completely blow the doors off of it. I always found ACDsee clumsy. I really hated it, yet some people swear by it. Now IRfanview! That was about as fast as that MacPro but running on a computer slower than my iMac! We used that all the time to check on rendered frames. All you have to do is hold the space bar and it'll loop through all of the frames in a folder. It was awesome. Setting a folder into list view with the MacPro was similar, but it wouldn't loop.
For me
-No cut/paste file and folders
-Extracted files appear ontop of other files and folders
-Cant disconnect from airport.
And depending where I am using my macbook,I wish the mag safe connector was on the other side
I think everyone wishes that their laptop had connections on both sides. I like that extracted files appear slightly overlapping the archive they came from. It makes it easier to find on my desktop when I have other windows open without having to reveal the whole desktop. But I could see it working as a pref setting.
For me
-No cut/paste file and folders
-Extracted files appear ontop of other files and folders
-Cant disconnect from airport.
And depending where I am using my macbook,I wish the mag safe connector was on the other side
what do you mean??
When I am connected to a wireless network... And no longer want to be, I can not manually disconnect, with out turning airport off.
Uhm, if you don't want to be online via WLAN, turn airport off...
i you want to switch ( ? ) to another network, just switch...
why would you want to keep airport on although you don't want to be online?
makes little sense to me..
most things are great others are annoying at times... other times necessarily annoying but its nothing we can/should work out. =) lovin apple!!
that would be my way of doing it. why would you want to leave your AP turned on when your wasting battery?
Well wen I am plugged in in class, I would to disconnect manuall but keep wireless on.. So when class is over I dont forget to turn airport back on
It is not a huge thing, its some thing I can live with out and work around. But It would be nice to have
only just seeing this, so it's a bit belated, and it's a bit off topic - but in case offence was widespread and not just on the part of zync: I intended nothing other than when the UK is referred to as Blighty, Australia as Oz, or that sort of thing. Most things in my circle get referred to by nicknames, including countries. Didn't realise that you guys were quite so strict about such things. Apologies for any offence; none was intended.
And I still hate iLife. And the menu bar at the top of the screen rather than at the top of the application window. There. We're back on topic.
Actually, on the latter point, has nobody ever written a hack to relocate the menu bar? It occurs to me that there'd be a market for it.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I'm sure others will appreciate that as well. What I can tell you from ACDsee and IrfanView is: I've had a use for both, and it sure would be nice having a Mac version. The main differences:
The nice thing with IrfanView (besides being free) is that it is very small and is portable (self-running), so you can carry it inside a thumb-drive and do simple presentations anywhere regardless of whatever PC is available at the place (just run Irfanview from the thumb drive). Irfanview also has some handy basic editing features which could prove useful without having to recur to a full-featured graphic editor.
Now about ACDsee: the KEY to it is to get an OLD version and I mean something at 2.x (like 2.43). Then it just flies, and even though I could argue that Irfanview display things a little better, when you get used to speed it's hard to live without it. Whether on a mouse wheel or PgUp/PgDn keys, not a fraction of waiting, ACDsee makes some very smart use of reading ahead the files. For full-screen, just double-click in the window, want to make the image bigger, hit the plus key, smaller the minus key, wanna quit just press ESC. The beauty of simplicity.
What happened (and this has been covered and complained about in countless forum threads) is that after those early versions, the software developer wanted to sell something else so ACDsee started to include more and more features to the point of becoming a whole graphic workstation thing. For those who just needed a good and fast viewer, all those features simply translated as bloat.
It always puzzled me why other developers couldn't come up with something as fast as ACDsee 2.x.
only just seeing this, so it's a bit belated, and it's a bit off topic - but in case offence was widespread and not just on the part of zync: I intended nothing other than when the UK is referred to as Blighty, Australia as Oz, or that sort of thing. Most things in my circle get referred to by nicknames, including countries. Didn't realise that you guys were quite so strict about such things. Apologies for any offence; none was intended.
And I still hate iLife. And the menu bar at the top of the screen rather than at the top of the application window. There. We're back on topic.
Actually, on the latter point, has nobody ever written a hack to relocate the menu bar? It occurs to me that there'd be a market for it.
I don't get offended by anything not directly aimed at me, so no offense was taken. I was just annoyed by it because it seemed like a slang term used to insult the US. In any case now I am neither annoyed nor offended. We're not strict. Sarcasm doesn't come across so well when you're refuting someone's comments.
Thanks for replying and I apologize if I was a bit harsh.To answer your question, I don't think anyone has done such a thing and there probably is a market for it.
I think I stopped using ACDsee around 2.x. I switched in 2003 and I had stopped using it long before that. ACDsee was always too much for what I thought it was actually capable of. But I do admit that I didn't give it much of a chance because it looked like a 3.1 program running on XP. I liked IrfanView for it's speed and simplicity and that it was easily done away with. Plus you didn't really have to open much to do anything.
i love ma apple products.... better than MS.Dell, Compaq.... Can't think a negative factor abt mac....
The thing that bugs me the most, is the Sleep LED. Generally, I have something covering it, as it tends to light up my room. Other then that, the price, as being a student, working part time, its hard to save up, but when you look at what your getting, you remember that it's worth it. With PC's, you have to buy something new every 6 months, otherwise your 'outdated'. I see people using 5 year old Apple computers, and it's just as good as mine, which isn't even a year old. Other than that, I see no problems with Apple or Macs.
That's a purely an attitude problem. Apple uses the same hardware all other laptop makers use.
They don't update their machines as soon as Intel releases new hardware, but that doesn't mean their latest-gen machine is better than a PC with same hardware, just because the latter isn't the newest model anymore.
It's really just an irrational thing in our heads.
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