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I have 11 Pro paid in full. I hope the Pro Motion rumors on the 12 Pro Max are true. I see it as a upgrade worth making. Also wondering what people normally get for a phone from previous years.
 
I think Promotion is definitely happening. It’s been rumored for at least two years now, am I right? I believe it’s something that will be transferred from the iPad Pro down to the iPhone, but my question still stands, How will Apple market Promotion that would entice the average consumer to want to upgrade? I realize there’s other features they can use to promote this new phone, but they need to sell what Promotion is and why would the consumer want this new display technology.
 
I've just switched from an iPhone X to an S20+. 120Hz is probably the best thing about it.
 
Battery impact would be the only concern, though both sizes are meant to grow so they might be able to counteract that with bigger batteries. Maybe limited to 90Hz as well, instead of 120? Some other phones have adopted that.
 
would love to see it there on the iPhone 12 Pros too

but the leaks arent very certain, it even said that the engineers are having a problem with the adjustable switching between 60hz and 120hz, and of course the battery life and size.

if they can make it on iPads, does anyone know what they are having a hard time making it on the iPhone?

the leaks about it is not as strong like the leaks about Lidar and screen sizes.
 
Update- Top leaker Jon Prosser says they don’t have it nailed down yet. Sounds a bit ominous.
 
I just don't see the need for 120hz on a phone. I have an iPad Pro and I've turned it off as well as compared to my wife's iPad Air and we just can't see the difference. My iPhone X is smooth.

If the 12 has it it's nice but I just don't see how it's a differentiator.
 
Battery impact would be the only concern, though both sizes are meant to grow so they might be able to counteract that with bigger batteries. Maybe limited to 90Hz as well, instead of 120? Some other phones have adopted that.

Prosser and Weinbach said 120 or nothing
 
If I buy the iPhone 12 6.1" 60Hz model, am I likely to notice a huge difference? Has the 60Hz refresh rate been a problem for the past 3 years can anybody tell me? I still have an LCD iPhone and am planning on upgrading this year.
 
Update- Top leaker Jon Prosser says they don’t have it nailed down yet. Sounds a bit ominous.
He says it’s still likely to happen but there’s a chance it might not...depends if it suits their battery needs.

i would say 70% chance it will.
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I just don't see the need for 120hz on a phone. I have an iPad Pro and I've turned it off as well as compared to my wife's iPad Air and we just can't see the difference. My iPhone X is smooth.

If the 12 has it it's nice but I just don't see how it's a differentiator.
Turned it off? Why? That makes no sense at all.

Most who use 120hz on their phones struggle to go back to 60hz models. Not having it would be a huge blow personally
 
If I buy the iPhone 12 6.1" 60Hz model, am I likely to notice a huge difference? Has the 60Hz refresh rate been a problem for the past 3 years can anybody tell me? I still have an LCD iPhone and am planning on upgrading this year.

It's hard to say if you would notice the difference, there was a comment above yours that someone mentioned they did not see the benefit of 120Hz on their iPad Pro and disabled it. However for me I see the difference when I used the Galaxy S20 and iPad Pro and am excited for it to be (possibly) on the new iPhone Pro models.

It would probably be best to check it out in person at an Apple or retail wireless store to see if it provides any benefits to you, that would be the only way to tell if you would appreciate it or not.
 
It's hard to say if you would notice the difference, there was a comment above yours that someone mentioned they did not see the benefit of 120Hz on their iPad Pro and disabled it. However for me I see the difference when I used the Galaxy S20 and iPad Pro and am excited for it to be (possibly) on the new iPhone Pro models.

It would probably be best to check it out in person at an Apple or retail wireless store to see if it provides any benefits to you, that would be the only way to tell if you would appreciate it or not.
To be honest its not going to affect my buying preferences this year even if I do notice a slight difference. I am planning on getting the 6.1" (non-pro) iPhone 12. If 60Hz has been fantastic for the past 3 years on all the OLED models then I can make a judgement that it'll be more than sufficient for my use. You are right about testing the difference once the Apple Stores reopen for those that might be concerned though. I'll never justify paying £1049+ for an iPhone regardless of the fact I could afford to do so. Part of my enjoyment with any iPhone is the value-factor and for everyone this is different. :)
 
If it's still 60 Hz for each device? I know I am getting the $650 iPhone 12 because I am not paying an extra $350 for 2gb more of RAM.
 
The 6.7" Pro model should have it for sure. The battery and larger display lend itself to ProMotion advantages.

For 6.1" Pro model, I'd be 50/50 on that.
 
If it's still 60 Hz for each device? I know I am getting the $650 iPhone 12 because I am not paying an extra $350 for 2gb more of RAM.

Then I would ask you why you would need the ‘extra’ RAM in the first place. Others seem to forget that RAM is dependent on what you’re using your phone for. I don’t don’t blame you paying the $350 price point, but that’s not all that you’re paying for. You’re paying for that a lot of other additional features included, rather you take advantage of those features, factors all into the price point.
 
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If the new mid tier devices are getting 4GB of ram as rumoured, it should be plenty anyway.

Yeah, that's how I view it too. iOS is optimized to work well Day 1 and Day 500.
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Then I would ask you why you would need the ‘extra’ RAM in the first place. Others seem to forget that RAM is dependent on what you’re using your phone for. I don’t don’t blame you paying the $350 price point, but that’s not all that you’re paying for. You’re paying for that a lot of other additional features included, rather you take advantage of those features, factors all into the price point.

It's too much of a laundry list to name features I don't really care about at the upgrade at a higher price point. As long as the camera is better than my XS, I won't complain at all. Realistically, all I care about involves the newer processor, 5g, promotion display. Anything else could be icing on top or it could be something I won't bother using as much as others.

Would more RAM help? Sure, it would allow the device to be more efficient resource wise. I would love to see 6gb on the $650 phone and 8gb on the $999 phone.
 
Turned it off? Why? That makes no sense at all.

Most who use 120hz on their phones struggle to go back to 60hz models. Not having it would be a huge blow personally

It was temporary to see if me or my wife could see the difference. She broke her iPad Pro 10.5 and was asking what were the main differences between the current Air and her pro to decide how to replace it. We couldn't see the difference.
 
Would Pro Motion give the soap opera effect on video like on high motion rate tv’s?

It does not. It's hard to explain but most of the mid to upper tier TV's have 120Hz panels but if you do not turn on the motion interpolation settings then you will not get soap opera effect.

With motion interpolation they are inserting fake frames in between the real frames to make it "smoother".
 
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I definitely notice and appreciate the ProMotion on my iPP, but I’m not sure how much I’d value the feature on an iPhone size screen, especially if it means a more than 5% hit to battery life. I find the added smoothness and responsiveness more noticeable on larger displays.
 
I really, really want it to come to iPhone 12, but I have a sneaking suspicion it may end up being reserved as a feature to entice people to upgrade to iPhone 13. They're already putting a lot into 12.
 
I don’t think it’s worth the battery hit. I’m not trying to play CSGO on my phone.
 
I wonder if they'll wrap up ProMotion with Pencil compatibility[?] - that's a perk of ProMotion, smoother, more immediate Pencil input (it's really astoundingly good on the 12.9). Of course, that would require a major usage / message shift from Apple, but as we've seen - especially in the last several years - they're OK with reversing themselves on what sounded like absolutes (especially some of those from the SJ era).

How will Apple market Promotion that would entice the average consumer to want to upgrade?

You mean ... how will Apple promote ProMotion in their promotional materials? o_O
 
Leaks say the hardware is there and the plan is for ProMotion in this release of the Pro models, but the decision isn’t final because of battery life concerns. If the battery takes too much of a hit, you all know there will be bloody hell raised on this forum and with reviews in general. Apple has only recently satisfied most of their customers’ concerns over battery life, so to go backwards now would be unacceptable.

If it makes it in, great, but not if I have to take a battery life hit. That’s more important to me. I have no issues with my non-ProMotion 11 Max as it is now.
 
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