Thinkpads have IPS screens: up yours for those fanbois claiming no 8 bit laptop LCDs!

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  1. iW00t macrumors 68040

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    I am speechless... I never realised Thinkpads have such a good screen option.

    No wonder I knew something was amiss when I switched!

    http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/TFT_display

    And as we speak countless Mac users are pulling their hair out over yellow screens that look yellow anyway when looked upon from the sides.

    Damned you Apple! :mad:
     
  2. Alloye macrumors 6502a

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    Actually, I don't think Lenovo still offers the Flexview LCD in current models. Either way, it sure would be nice to see the laptop industry as a whole move towards better LCD technology. (And Apple should lead the way!)

    EDIT: I stand corrected. Looks like you can still get the T60 with a 15" 1400x1050 IPS display.
     
  3. iW00t thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Exactly, bad sadly Apple is now a follower rather than a leader.
     
  4. timnosenzo macrumors 6502a

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    I have a new IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T60 for work, and the screen on that thing is the WORST. Color & sharpness are the worst... probably just that model, but it sucks.
     
  5. Alloye macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, a friend of mine also has a T60 that pretty much sucks as far as the display goes. It's a 15.4" model. I almost convinced him to send it back and get the MBP instead, but he's such a Windows geek he couldn't be bothered. :eek:
     
  6. katorga macrumors regular

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    Not many thinkpads have the top end screens; in fact I was not sure they still offered the option. The normal Thinkpad screens are horrendous, and are the primary reason I don't use Thinkpads for my personal systems. Dell screens are even worse (sadly my dept gets only Dells now).
     
  7. e12a macrumors 68000

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    this is true, my friend's t40's screen is really dim and had horrible response times...i prefer my mbp definitely over it.
     
  8. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    yea the mbp screens are amazingly good for lappy screens. i even got my "windows ONLY" debator to admitt it...he never admitts to anything pro on apple, i was really surprised
     
  9. kolax macrumors G3

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    Only reason the MBP's don't stand out compared to other laptops where I work is because all the other laptops are glossy.

    Unfortunately/fortunately (depends what you prefer) Apple only give retailers matte screens. So when customers are browsing around, they compare a glossy to a matte and instantly go against the MBP because of that.

    Takes a bit persuasion to bring them round and buy a Mac though :D
     
  10. DoFoT9 macrumors P6

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    hahahaha in what instances doesnt it?? people arent used to going out of their norm. they just need us to help them make a step in the right direction :D
     
  11. dusanv macrumors 6502

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    For all fanbois that dis the T60.: the IPS screen is an option for T60. So unless you have actually seen the screen in question, shut up.

    iW00t, Apple isn't a computer company any more. That guy on the Inquirer keeps calling Apple "entertainment gear company", and with good reason.
     
  12. deadpixels macrumors 6502a

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    so how the infamous "blue screen of death" looks on a 8bit screen?? :p
     
  13. seanofford macrumors member

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    Having joined this forum to get some advice about my defective MBP, I'm amazed to find that there are threads like this, with people like you guys who actually want to start a virtual fight about whether or not a Thinkpad computer screen is better than an Apple screen. Why should you want to do that??? Haven't you got anything better to do? Write a novel. Get a girlfriend/boyfriend. Do something useful! Anything!
    Sean ;)
     
  14. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040

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    Actually I have been running Vista Business on a Lenovo notebook for awhile now and I have never seen a blue screen of death. It's been every bit as stable as my iMac, however, yes it still has the little Windows quirks like those annoying dialog boxes popping here and there.

    The 3000 series is the lower line from Lenovo, but I am very happy with the screen on my laptop.
     
  15. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    Remember that _all_ LCD screens have to make the compromise: You can have 8 bit display, or you can have fast update times, but you can't have both. I could imagine that photographers would prefer the 8 bit display, but for many purposes the faster update time is more important. There would be lots of moaning and people throwing fits if Apple used 8 bit displays with their slow screen updates.
     
  16. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    You can't seriously take theinquirer to judge Apple. :confused:
     
  17. timnosenzo macrumors 6502a

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    :rolleyes:

    From looking at the Lenovo website, it looks like its only available on the highest end T60p model. So does everyone else get the same junk screen thats on my new T60?

    I don't care what people buy either way, but I have my Thinkpad connected to a pretty average (ie: not fancy) Dell external monitor, and the Dell is SOOO much nicer to look at. At least all the colors don't look washed out and its pretty bright.
     
  18. Alloye macrumors 6502a

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    That's true. IPS displays are known for slow response times and ghosting. Now if someone could put an S-IPS panel in a laptop, that would be a fairly no-compromise (and expensive) solution.
     
  19. FleurDuMal macrumors 68000

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    Perhaps Apple only leads in things people are bothered about? :confused:
     
  20. JFreak macrumors 68040

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    Expensive, yes. No-compromise, no.

    S-IPS panel consumes a lot of power, far more than TN panel. It is also larger in physical dimensions. So if MBP had S-IPS panel it would not be inch thick and have 4-hour battery life.

    But most of us want that inch-thick laptop and would be grateful if the battery life was closer to 8 hours than 2ish.

    So I have learnt to accept the fact that I can only have external S-IPS.

    That's because the Thinkpad is not using the panel to its fullest, because the panel draws so much power even Thinkpad cannot afford. Because laptops need to use less power, the display also runs "half throttle", which means the quality panel will not be as bright as a standalone desktop unit.

    I have not ever met a design professional who would do all his/her work on a laptop panel. Every single one of them have external display! Some have better and some have worse, but everyone has a desktop standalone display.

    And I do know why.

    Maybe today, but we can always demand better displays. For starters, how would you like a lowly 10bit or 12bit display (if you don't dare to ask for a 16bit one) that doesn't suffer from ghosting? HD refresh rate of 60 frames per second means the perfect screen would have to refresh the screen every 16ms but as we all want some safety margin let's demand that the screen should be at least 8ms if not 4ms one.

    It can be done, but not today. But because it cannot be done today, there's no reason to expect it to be possible tomorrow. Keep the faith :)
     
  21. Alloye macrumors 6502a

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    Excellent point. I hadn't considered the additional power/size requirements.
     
  22. kolax macrumors G3

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    It's only when I look at another display connected externally I realise that the MBP does lack colour.

    But then, after 10 minutes of using my MBP I'm used to the display again.
     
  23. henhowc macrumors regular

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    I think you all would be interested in the following thread on the Thinkpad Forums that talks about the availability (or lack thereof) of IPS screens.
     

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