The network switch is the device that negotiates the speed. It will have to fake the switch and sync at 1000 and transmit slower. But we are still talking about 1/3 the speed at which the network is designed, which is not acceptable.
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The network switch is the device that negotiates the speed. It will have to fake the switch and sync at 1000 and transmit slower. But we are still talking about 1/3 the speed at which the network is designed, which is not acceptable.
It will not "transmit slower" - it will transmit at full speed but have longer pauses between packets.
And I agree that USB 2.0 dongles for networking are not acceptable.
Removing the superdrive
I believe it will be released minus the superdrive. I've set up a survey to see if others think Apple should be removing the superdrive from MacBook Pro.
You can take the survey at http://macbookwatch.com/superdrive/
I believe it will be released minus the superdrive. I've set up a survey to see if others think Apple should be removing the superdrive from MacBook Pro.
You can take the survey at http://macbookwatch.com/superdrive/
Where FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)?
I need FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)........
Good news.. There's an AdaPPter for that
http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/BelkinThunderbolt_010812.html
More seriously, yep, not sure if they'll include it or not or push TB as its successor...
I just wish they'd be more (and especially cheaper) ThunderBolt products available... The cables alone are a pricey investment!
Bit of an overkill how?
Too much detail or just the fact that I'm bemoaning the loss of built in optical, sata drives and built in ethernet and the homogenisation of the apple laptop range?
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Sadly, a survey that will only be filled in by those on forums such as this - and thus rather more likely to be able to work round it's removal...rather than the public at large.
I just thought you were over explaining yourself to people who don't get it anyway (the kind of people that would still argue in favour of apple if they issued a pile of crap and called iturd), that's all, bemoan away, you are right (I wouldn't agree on the optical, as I do think it has to go at some point) anyway despite of what some cultists here might say.
Prob is the rj45 design is over 30 yrs old. It's not the only cable that can carry gig ether either. Fiber is an excellent alternative, and my little soho switch has a fiber port. The ends are about the size of a small pencil eraser. Not to mention micro DVI that carry ether: www.quora.com/What-is-HDMI-cable-with-Ethernet
If MS can standardize 10 diff USB plugs, some so small you can barely see them, then Apple can surely do the same with ether while still complying w ieee standards.
Now if Apple bags tiny fiber altogether to force us to use thunder, then they've screwed the pooch. And they probably will.
But this isn't an ethernet issue at all- it's a non-steve-jobs issue of new management
If MS can standardize 10 diff USB plugs, some so small you can barely see them, then Apple can surely do the same with ether while still complying w ieee standards.
Now if Apple bags tiny fiber altogether to force us to use thunder, then they've screwed the pooch. And they probably will.
But this isn't an ethernet issue at all- it's a non-steve-jobs issue of new management
I actually think optical has to go at some point - hell, I think ethernet has to go at some point. But right now? Nope, I'd say that's 12 to 18 months too early for either.
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Makes sense, since ultra-books will be the standard, and the fact there'll be no physical room for either.
Makes sense, since ultra-books will be the standard, and the fact there'll be no physical room for either.
I find most of the changes very good. I use the MBP 17", as long as they do not remove it, I am fine.
MBP Price increase
I can understand a slight increase for the new retina display - but they are removing the optical drive!?!
I can understand a slight increase for the new retina display - but they are removing the optical drive!?!
Rather than making just another macbook air but more pricey, i find no reason to make it thinner and sacrifice some ports. Its not like you are going to put a laptop in a envelope like in the ad. But i do think the macbook pro is heavy though.
Retina - Good, but i don't like weird resolutions, 2560x1440 is standard, Glossy looks nice but reflections please add matte option
HDD - 64GB SSD standard + 750GB ?
Drive - Keep the superdrive or add a bluray drive, i have a crap load of cd's/dvd's and i don't like external stuff
Ethernet - Keep the Gigabit Ethernet Port, I don't like dongles/adapters hanging out of my laptop. Not everyone uses wifi, radiation kills
USB - USB 3.0 would be nice
GPU - I would like AMD Radeon 7970 for the top model
CPU - Quad Core Ivy i5 Quad Core i7 for top models
RAM - Please put 6/8GB as standard
Thunderbolt - Find no use, only available for $500 HDD's and Cinema Display
WiFi - Wireless ac please, for the future
Firewire - No use for me
HDMI - I want 1.4
MDP - Never use it, thunderbolt will replace it?
P.S. I don't want to carry, how many adapters/dongles do I have to carry if they remove most of the ports?
Retina - Good, but i don't like weird resolutions, 2560x1440 is standard, Glossy looks nice but reflections
please add matte optionHDD - 64GB SSD standard + 750GB ?
Drive - Keep the superdrive or add a bluray drive, i have a crap load of cd's/dvd's and i don't like external stuff
Ethernet - Keep the Gigabit Ethernet Port, I don't like dongles/adapters hanging out of my laptop. Not everyone uses wifi, radiation kills
USB - USB 3.0 would be nice
GPU - I would like AMD Radeon 7970
for the top modelCPU - Quad Core Ivy i5 Quad Core i7 for top models
RAM - Please put 6/8GB as standard
Thunderbolt - Find no use, only available for $500 HDD's and Cinema Display
WiFi - Wireless ac please, for the future
Firewire - No use for me
HDMI - I want 1.4
MDP - Never use it, thunderbolt will replace it?
P.S. I don't want to carry, how many adapters/dongles do I have to carry if they remove most of the ports?
Thinner Pro
Ok Guys. The Pro means professional. Which mean a processor, video card and enough ram to be able to handle anything. I for one have not used a disc in forever. Why would you when you can buy a 128gb flash drive for $30. Thunderbolt transfer speed are a lot faster than firewire. As for gigabit ethernet. You will be able to buy a thunderbolt ethernet adapter which is over a gigabit, Theres no loss there. You can have gigabit ethernet and 2 monitors running off those 2 ports. Which it may not be needed due to the possibility the could incorporate wifi ac which is 1.3gb. I say bring it out already.
Ok Guys. The Pro means professional. Which mean a processor, video card and enough ram to be able to handle anything. I for one have not used a disc in forever. Why would you when you can buy a 128gb flash drive for $30. Thunderbolt transfer speed are a lot faster than firewire. As for gigabit ethernet. You will be able to buy a thunderbolt ethernet adapter which is over a gigabit, Theres no loss there. You can have gigabit ethernet and 2 monitors running off those 2 ports. Which it may not be needed due to the possibility the could incorporate wifi ac which is 1.3gb. I say bring it out already.
Same here, the optical drive is on the same evolution path as the woolly mamoth, I don't think it will last that much longer as a mainstream laptops. I 4 one have refused 2 buy any that still contained one, completely a waste of space and weight, should b used 4 much better purposes.
I hope that the new MBP will b ditching outdated stuff like optical drive, firewire, LAN, and not worry about what a few fringe elements among potential users want. Its time 2 move on from these dinosaurs.
Please don't substitute numbers for words and other txtspk tricks in an otherwise well formed sentence. It's rather difficult to read.
Sacrifice for thinner
I have been using a Mac Air 13 for 2 years now and not once have I missed the CD drive or an Ethernet port or even a Firewire. If you have to rely on wires plugged into a notebook then it's no longer ultra portable.
And seriously a 17 inch notebook is a bit of a stretch hence the reason why Apple only sell a very small number of them, less than an estimated 1.7% of notebook sales for the first quarter.
The best feature about the Air is it is light, thin and extremely useful, its the first computer I reach for. In order for it to be thin they must drop some of the old tech and once you make a few adjustments such as a WiFi router or an adapter then its no longer an issue.
I am hoping the screen on the 15 has an ultra thin bezel so that the overall frame size is close to the 13.
Speaking of new technology has everyone seen the new Leapmotion device, say goodbye to the touchpad.
I have been using a Mac Air 13 for 2 years now and not once have I missed the CD drive or an Ethernet port or even a Firewire. If you have to rely on wires plugged into a notebook then it's no longer ultra portable.
And seriously a 17 inch notebook is a bit of a stretch hence the reason why Apple only sell a very small number of them, less than an estimated 1.7% of notebook sales for the first quarter.
The best feature about the Air is it is light, thin and extremely useful, its the first computer I reach for. In order for it to be thin they must drop some of the old tech and once you make a few adjustments such as a WiFi router or an adapter then its no longer an issue.
I am hoping the screen on the 15 has an ultra thin bezel so that the overall frame size is close to the 13.
Speaking of new technology has everyone seen the new Leapmotion device, say goodbye to the touchpad.
Well, I use my FireWire port daily to connect my card reader. I use the express port ( which they removed already to connect esata hard drives).
I connect my mac pro to my laptop via ethernet.
Moving large amount of data around is impossible over wifi. Maybe not in the future, but I work today. There is no way I can work with the footage from my RED camera over wifi.
I'm just telling you this so people can understand the different needs that people have from a laptop. I wish I could use an Air as I travel much, but the lack of connectivity (and speed) makes it very difficult
Scarific for thinner
Understand your predicament Yoak.
The problem with technology is that in order to move forward older connections need to drop off. If Apple had to keep all the legacy ports and components it would not be an ultra thin notebook. The only option is if you want to keep all the old gear and keep the same work flow you need to keep an old computer. Not the best solution if you have a very expensive camera that doesn't have a thunderbolt port. But in terms of market forces Apple will supply hardware for the 95% who want ultra thin and portable and the main reason for that is to break the connection with a work desk. This is the reason why the iPad is so popular, it changes the interaction with a computer from desk and chair to anywhere and everywhere. If Apple doesn't move aggressively in this ultra thin direction then every other company will out thin them.
Understand your predicament Yoak.
The problem with technology is that in order to move forward older connections need to drop off. If Apple had to keep all the legacy ports and components it would not be an ultra thin notebook. The only option is if you want to keep all the old gear and keep the same work flow you need to keep an old computer. Not the best solution if you have a very expensive camera that doesn't have a thunderbolt port. But in terms of market forces Apple will supply hardware for the 95% who want ultra thin and portable and the main reason for that is to break the connection with a work desk. This is the reason why the iPad is so popular, it changes the interaction with a computer from desk and chair to anywhere and everywhere. If Apple doesn't move aggressively in this ultra thin direction then every other company will out thin them.
Today most people buy laptops to surf Facebook at the cafe.
Still, for those that use them for work not having FW800 or Ethernet will be a real bind.
I have five LaCie d2 drives in a FW800 chain together with a FW (only) LaCie DVD burner and a 12TB Drobo. Oh, and until recently I had a high end FW audio interface (sold because I don't have time for music much these days and got a simple USB one instead).
My main machine's a MacBook Pro connected to my small network via Ethernet. So if I want to upgrade this machine I have to worry about getting some clunky £200 hub adaptor thingy just to continue running all my drives and use Ethernet? Pah...
See, people like freelance graphic designers and photographers can earn a living but they're not wealthy and have to pay for their equipment themselves. If they are asked to continually fork out on POINTLESS extras so Apple can shave off a MM here and there, ultimately, they may have to look at downgrading to Windows longer term. Photoshop and Lightroom and InDesign may be a little more clunky to use under Windows but, hey, if needs must...
Optical drives, yeah, having one sitting in your laptop when it's only used here and there is probably not that important.
But ethernet and firewire? No, way Apple.
Still, for those that use them for work not having FW800 or Ethernet will be a real bind.
I have five LaCie d2 drives in a FW800 chain together with a FW (only) LaCie DVD burner and a 12TB Drobo. Oh, and until recently I had a high end FW audio interface (sold because I don't have time for music much these days and got a simple USB one instead).
My main machine's a MacBook Pro connected to my small network via Ethernet. So if I want to upgrade this machine I have to worry about getting some clunky £200 hub adaptor thingy just to continue running all my drives and use Ethernet? Pah...
See, people like freelance graphic designers and photographers can earn a living but they're not wealthy and have to pay for their equipment themselves. If they are asked to continually fork out on POINTLESS extras so Apple can shave off a MM here and there, ultimately, they may have to look at downgrading to Windows longer term. Photoshop and Lightroom and InDesign may be a little more clunky to use under Windows but, hey, if needs must...
Optical drives, yeah, having one sitting in your laptop when it's only used here and there is probably not that important.
But ethernet and firewire? No, way Apple.
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I understand that tech moves foreward, and Apple have always been about thinness (at least the last 10 years or so).
My problem, and others I presume is that they already have the Airs, why the obsession to slim Shen the Pro at all costs?
Speaking of old gear, when they took the express port away from the 15" a few years ago, I had to run out to buy the previous gen before they were gone as on of my cameras records to cards that fits straight into that port. Unloaded a 32gb card 5-6 faster that way than over FireWire
I'm looking foreward to move over to Thunderbolt, but it will cost as I have some 20TB of footage spread around
I just had to create an account just so i could vote this post up!
Apple is a company who pride themselves on their cutting edge technology and now a days this means making things smaller. the majority of their users can do without air drives and a wide array of ports, the small minority of people who do need them, will have to make do, im affraid... however its not like they will be left out to dry, users who need the extra connectivity will just have to carry around a few adapters which isnt the end of the world really is it??
Not end og the world, but that sort of defeats the purpose of something easy to carry around. It's just not very neat, when a few mm could mean having a In one package
I have owned two 15 inch and am on my second 17 inch MBP. The only device I have ever had a problem with has been the internal SuperDrive with a disc not properly loading and I end up having to take the MBP apart to remove the disc. Apple has always replaced the superdrive and I admit, I am hard on my MBP's lugging them all over and dropping them from time to time with the required expletives.
Given the abuse I give my laptops, I would much rather have an external SuperDrive that I can plug in as needed and I can replace with a quick trip to (insert your nearest Apple store or reseller) if it fails.
Yes, the Air would give that modularity, but the 13 inch screen does not compare to the screen real estate of the 17 MBP for professional users who do more than check email or surf the web.
I can see the loss of an Ethernet port being a problem for people who plug into a network at the office.
Given the abuse I give my laptops, I would much rather have an external SuperDrive that I can plug in as needed and I can replace with a quick trip to (insert your nearest Apple store or reseller) if it fails.
Yes, the Air would give that modularity, but the 13 inch screen does not compare to the screen real estate of the 17 MBP for professional users who do more than check email or surf the web.
I can see the loss of an Ethernet port being a problem for people who plug into a network at the office.