I could hug you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who some sense in all of this.
Pro is not about the machine you use, it's about the tasks you do! It's about time some of the forum "Pros" start getting that in their head.
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Thinner MacBook Pro Models in 13-Inch and 15-Inch Sizes Coming in April?
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I could hug you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who some sense in all of this.
Pro is not about the machine you use, it's about the tasks you do! It's about time some of the forum "Pros" start getting that in their head.
Can you run AutoCad on your Air Mr. Pro ?
What does Autocad have to do with my profession ? And yes, it can be done. Heck, I remember my Ex-GF doing all her Autocad architecture designs on the Pentium II 233 with 32 MB of RAM I bought her.
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Then don't buy the Apple branded one, plenty of good ones out there. I frankly haven't even yet bought one and I'm one of the guys who thinks optical media is here to stay.
I really hope for integrated graphics across the line. Nobody needs dedicated graphics cards anyway. You don't need a powerful gpu for checking your facebook at starbucks anyway. And I hope they get rid of these ugly ports, maybe one port and 10 different adaptors each priced $30,-. I love carrying around some adaptors. I'm so looking forward to buying more Apple adapters. You know what, screw these mbp news, where are some adaptor news??
I don't want the 15" MBP gone. And I don't think Apple will do it. The 15" was the very, very popular, and people would feel it as a downgrade if they were forced to buy a 14" MBP (a 17" is too big for most).
The 14" variant may only be available in Asia, so the range you are noting could be what you can buy in Asia.
In the US we'll very likely see 11", 13", 15", 17" - a very good range of options.
But we'll see the 13" MBP gone for sure.
I also think the MacBook Air name will remain. "Air" just sounds great, and "MacBook Air" sounds better than just "MacBook".
Hey guys, sorry to burst bubbles here, but:
(a) When has Digitimes been a source of reliable rumors?
(b) They can't make the 15" MacBook Pro thinner without sacrificing the discrete GPU unless they put one that is substantially weaker in performance in order to be thinner. It's just not physically possible.
(c) They can't make the 15" MacBook Pro thinner without removing the Ethernet port.
(d) They are not going to remove the Ethernet port as way too many industries use it regularly. Case in point: OS images deployed through NetBoot (which doesn't use WiFi last I checked).
(e) If Apple removed the optical drive, they wouldn't replace it with anything useful. They certainly could, but they wouldn't, that's not how they roll; instead they'd tote how much thinner it is. Case in point: why isn't it possible to customize a 13" MacBook Air with TWO blade SSDs? (It's not like the chipset doesn't support a second mSATA connection; all they'd have to do is increase thickness by a hair and weight by a negligible amount, and it's not like there wouldn't be people out there willing to customize and buy such a machine.)
(f) The 13" Pro might be supplanted by the 13" Air, but the 15" Pro as we know it today isn't going anywhere. Even if the 15" Air surfaces, at the very least, there will be (at least for the next couple refreshes) a higher-end model with a discrete GPU, a quad-core CPU, an Ethernet port, and (sorry to bust the bubble of those of you that lost your high school sweetie to that evil optical drive) an optical drive too; same with the 17" models. More people depend on an internal ODD than ever will an ExpressCard slot, therefore it's not going away just yet. Sorry; hate to disappoint, but take heart; the MacBook Air was always your machine anyway, and it looks like there'll be a 15" model soon enough!
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I think Apple uses "Pro" to mean "everything that could possibly be useful or needed in a given circumstance. Hence why Final Cut "Pro" has more tools than Final Cut "Express"; sure most editors would've been fine on Express, but "Pro" had more features. Same thing goes for their laptops; The MacBook Air is all about getting by with a minimal amount, while still making the most of what's there, whereas the MacBook Pro is all about giving you everything you could possibly need on a portable Mac. Really, it's a difference in semantics. I think most people on here know the distinction between your meaning (which is the actual and practical definition) and Apple's meaning, they just go with Apple's meaning out of convenience.
(a) When has Digitimes been a source of reliable rumors?
(b) They can't make the 15" MacBook Pro thinner without sacrificing the discrete GPU unless they put one that is substantially weaker in performance in order to be thinner. It's just not physically possible.
(c) They can't make the 15" MacBook Pro thinner without removing the Ethernet port.
(d) They are not going to remove the Ethernet port as way too many industries use it regularly. Case in point: OS images deployed through NetBoot (which doesn't use WiFi last I checked).
(e) If Apple removed the optical drive, they wouldn't replace it with anything useful. They certainly could, but they wouldn't, that's not how they roll; instead they'd tote how much thinner it is. Case in point: why isn't it possible to customize a 13" MacBook Air with TWO blade SSDs? (It's not like the chipset doesn't support a second mSATA connection; all they'd have to do is increase thickness by a hair and weight by a negligible amount, and it's not like there wouldn't be people out there willing to customize and buy such a machine.)
(f) The 13" Pro might be supplanted by the 13" Air, but the 15" Pro as we know it today isn't going anywhere. Even if the 15" Air surfaces, at the very least, there will be (at least for the next couple refreshes) a higher-end model with a discrete GPU, a quad-core CPU, an Ethernet port, and (sorry to bust the bubble of those of you that lost your high school sweetie to that evil optical drive) an optical drive too; same with the 17" models. More people depend on an internal ODD than ever will an ExpressCard slot, therefore it's not going away just yet. Sorry; hate to disappoint, but take heart; the MacBook Air was always your machine anyway, and it looks like there'll be a 15" model soon enough!
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I think Apple uses "Pro" to mean "everything that could possibly be useful or needed in a given circumstance. Hence why Final Cut "Pro" has more tools than Final Cut "Express"; sure most editors would've been fine on Express, but "Pro" had more features. Same thing goes for their laptops; The MacBook Air is all about getting by with a minimal amount, while still making the most of what's there, whereas the MacBook Pro is all about giving you everything you could possibly need on a portable Mac. Really, it's a difference in semantics. I think most people on here know the distinction between your meaning (which is the actual and practical definition) and Apple's meaning, they just go with Apple's meaning out of convenience.
Read the posts I reply to. They aren't referring to the machines themselves usually, but to themselves. "We Pros need...". It's the "We Pros" they need to drop, not all profesionals and professions require optical drives or dedicated GPUs or huge screens with low PPI.
Macs aren't like iOS devices where there's a design change every two revs. At the very least, you'll have something like the iMac which changes design every three revs. Otherwise, the last design of MacBook Pro/PowerBook reigned for six years before we got this one. I fail to understand why people here seem to think that this one is due for a change given that we haven't even passed the four-year mark on this one yet.
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No, I getcha. I'm saying that they take that definition of "Pro" and apply it to themselves because they need those features where most consumers don't.
I really hope for integrated graphics across the line. Nobody needs dedicated graphics cards anyway. You don't need a powerful gpu for checking your facebook at starbucks anyway. And I hope they get rid of these ugly ports, maybe one port and 10 different adaptors each priced $30,-. I love carrying around some adaptors. I'm so looking forward to buying more Apple adapters. You know what, screw these mbp news, where are some adaptor news??
You're just full of terrible ideas, aren't you?
They will start selling them on UFDs that have had the write disabled? Takes up even less dimensions that most box sets.
I know you like to troll sometimes, and I noticed the ongoing argument, but there are plenty of cases for things like discrete gpus outside of professional use. That might be lessened if Intel's implementation wasn't quite so bad. The hardware is weak and the drivers suck. If you go to the Ivy Bridge argument, I'd point you to the hype each generation that they'll improve it. Once they prove that they can make something fully capable for a couple generations, that's the time to look at potential replacement of the discrete versions.
Anyway if you look at the current Air vs Pro models, you don't gain much differentiation without maintaining certain features (not talking about optical drives). Last Apple doesn't really need to drop any customers. In fact if you look at their history, they often try to gauge what people will put up with to remain on their system. This is not solely because OSX is great and everything else sucks. It's also because you have to deal with a lot of issues involving access to data storage, collections of applications, sometimes databases, etc. that must be migrated.
These articles are just trolling for page hits anyway. I doubt any of them really has evidence one way or the other. Much of the time one of them just picks something they think will be true, cites anonymous source, and the other Apple rumor sites copy it with their own paraphrased articles.
Remember thinksecret? They seemed to be getting a lot more real leaks, and they were shut down
.Edit: by the way I don't care what they call it. It's just a case of having a fully featured version vs. not. I don't personally care. I shop for a computer. If Apple doesn't make anything that will run the way I want it to for 2-3 years, I just won't buy one, but I would have to figure out a migration strategy in there.
It is quite a difference. The thinner it is the more limited options are available due to physics.
However the case is directly opposite when it is by design limited for no rational reason. Sure, you can't think of a reason to use more than x but that is no reason to design a system capable of only dealing with x and no more.
Ableton at least is cheapest via digital download through ableton.com - they charge a premium to have it shipped to you on a disc, which makes sense.
I'm still on Reason 4 - which requires using the disc for authorization and to copy over sound banks when you first install it. Not sure if version 6 still requires this though.
I completely agree. I would love to have a thinner Pro model that eliminates the moving parts. At this point in technology (not only Apple) there is very little need for an optical drive or any other unstable pieces/parts.
It is almost a guarantee that I will be buy the 15" Pro model once it goes on a diet.
There are few things in this world more tragic than sarcasm misunderstood.
"Yeah, Bobby. Reindeer sweaters are the very apex of fashion these days. You're gonna get all kinds of laid tonight, man"!
"Really? Cool! Thanks for the friendly advice! I bet I'll have like 50 chicks on my arm tonight! All thanks to my reindeer sweater"! :drives off to club:
:a single tear rolls down my cheek:
If I had a dollar for everyone who said they "expected" something from Apple and was wrong, I'd be very rich now. So anytime anyone uses the word expected in relation to Apple I just make a cup of tea and read the entertaining article.
In short anyone using the word expected removes any believability and credibility from their articles. Sure the articles are entertaining to read for a laugh. But no one in their right mind would actually really believe those articles.
/rant over about the over used and horribly misused word "expected".
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This rumour is probably true. But will it happen in April this year or end of the year or next year? No one knows. But Apple's trend is always thinner. So a thinner MBP I say is plausible one day.
Agreed. MacBook Pros are still mid-product cycle where as the iMac is a solid month over their average.
As much as i would like to see a slimmer Macbook Pro, but a new iMac would be sensible. A new iMac with Mountain Lion... yes.
Yeah, for the next 2-3 years, before windows machines stop having optical drives.
Then he'll come back to Apple after having wasted 2-3 years of his life dealing with windows crap!
I like OSX better than Windows, but Windows has changed for the better. Win7 is nice to use. Period.
I get the feeling we are in for a month of tuesdays this year.
With a stack of updates back to back.
MBP 13inch not dead yet?
Is no one else happy to see that this rumor includes the 13inch MBP too? or is it just me?
I really REALLY hope this rumor is true. I love my 13inch MBP and if Apple keeps it around, cuts the optical drive and some ports (but please not the spinning hard drive or upgradable ram) I would be soooo happy!
I use my laptop as my only computer (and it is also my work computer, I work in a biomedical lab) so I need both portability and a bit more flexibility than the MBA offers (not that I'm not strongly considering it).
A slightly lighter (4.0lbs instead of 4.5lbs) 13inch MBP with more than two usb ports and a thunderbolt drive for expandability, as well as real storage options and upgradable RAM would be a dream come true! I might be getting my hopes up but this rumor makes me so happy! Maybe they will include a dedicated GPU (something like the Mac mini has) for the high end model to differentiate it from the air. I bet since they are trying to make these things as light as possible they will finally get rid of the STUPID reflective glass in front of the displays!
Alright enough dreaming...
PS and for those wondering if 0.5lbs really makes that big a difference, yes I am a small weak girl who doesn't work out so it matters to me
Is no one else happy to see that this rumor includes the 13inch MBP too? or is it just me?
I really REALLY hope this rumor is true. I love my 13inch MBP and if Apple keeps it around, cuts the optical drive and some ports (but please not the spinning hard drive or upgradable ram) I would be soooo happy!
I use my laptop as my only computer (and it is also my work computer, I work in a biomedical lab) so I need both portability and a bit more flexibility than the MBA offers (not that I'm not strongly considering it).
A slightly lighter (4.0lbs instead of 4.5lbs) 13inch MBP with more than two usb ports and a thunderbolt drive for expandability, as well as real storage options and upgradable RAM would be a dream come true! I might be getting my hopes up but this rumor makes me so happy! Maybe they will include a dedicated GPU (something like the Mac mini has) for the high end model to differentiate it from the air. I bet since they are trying to make these things as light as possible they will finally get rid of the STUPID reflective glass in front of the displays!
Alright enough dreaming...
PS and for those wondering if 0.5lbs really makes that big a difference, yes I am a small weak girl who doesn't work out so it matters to me
You missed the point. I'm talking about the difference between a "Pro" machine and the "Air"
The reason I bring up Autocad is because of the need for dedicated graphics.
Theoretically ...yes the Air might be able to run it. RENDER time ?!?!?! Well, that's a different story.
Also, I might add that your girlfriends Pentium 2 most likely had dedicated graphics as well.
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