This device hasn't even been released yet!

[AFDoc]

This statement is incorrect. According to the provided link, "Once the battery gets too low on the smartwatch, the gadget goes into a Power Reserve mode that lets you see the time for up to 72 hours from the moment it’s activated — that’s good for checking the time each hour for four times, with each check lasting 4 seconds."

So if I wish to do simple things such as time a patient's pulse, respiratory rate, and other similar timing functions (which take approximately 15-60 seconds per patient) that my dumbwatch would allow me to do, I would not be able to do this with the Apple Watch even in Power Reserve mode. Even using it as a stopwatch or countdown would likely be out of the question based on the short intervals the Power Reserve Mode would allow.

Link: http://bgr.com/2015/03/10/apple-watch-battery-power-reserve/

Again, this is not a complaint. I am still very excited to purchase one for social usage, but simply responding to a poster's original question on what situations would require more than 18 hours. I definitely look forward to greater battery life in the future, but will happy to try one out for what it is as a first generation product.

If you are treating patients and don't have access to a second hand in those times where you really do a complete 60 seconds.... (never by the way let's be honest) then maybe move to another hospital/facility.

I don't wear a watch typically (and have never had an issue with a patient's exam) and am getting the apple watch mostly for the notifications on my wrist so I'm not whipping out my phone every 10 seconds. I suspect we won't have issues with battery and work.... Guess time will tell though.

 

[Arran]

All that to say, I don't see any point in stating this certain situation.

I was simply responding to your question. Remember:

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly why 18 hours isn't enough.

If you don't like the answer you can always ignore it

 

[Lloydbm41]

International, maybe not everyday.

But thinking about it, domestic travel days can get just as long: Leave house 4:30 AM --> Airport --> Office --> Dinner/drinks out --> get to hotel at 10:00 PM = 17.5 hrs. Many will recognize this schedule.

Travel is stressful enough without another battery letting you down or needing to carry another gizmo to charge it (which is always in the other bag! )

I always carry a 4000 or 6000mah battery pack with me for emergency back-up juice when I travel. It is enough to charge my phone twice and a smartwatch. No power outlets required, and they only cost about $10.

 

[sterl320]

I was simply responding to your question. Remember:



If you don't like the answer you can always ignore it

I'm sorry, I'm just looking for a consistent argument pertaining to the general use of the Watch that would make the 18 hours of constant use legitimately not enough. Since there are many people out there saying that the battery life is too short, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to provide a real good reason as to why.

I can sit here and think of plenty of scenarios where i can drain even the longest lasting smart phones 3 times over in one day, but that's not a regular situation for a regular person to be in, so they wouldn't really be good arguments.

 

[Appl3FTW]

Should I get the ss or space gray?

 

[AFDoc]

I'm sorry, I'm just looking for a consistent argument pertaining to the general use of the Watch that would make the 18 hours of constant use legitimately not enough. Since there are many people out there saying that the battery life is too short, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to provide a real good reason as to why.

I can sit here and think of plenty of scenarios where i can drain even the longest lasting smart phones 3 times over in one day, but that's not a regular situation for a regular person to be in, so they wouldn't really be good arguments.

There really isn't one for most here.... Heck most that say they don't want it will most likely end up with one anyway!

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Should I get the ss or space gray?

really? Maybe you need to sit and figure that one out on your own.

 

[Arran]

I always carry a 4000 or 6000mah battery pack with me for emergency back-up juice when I travel. It is enough to charge my phone twice and a smartwatch. No power outlets required, and they only cost about $10.

Yeah, I've got a 4000 myself and a backup 2600. It works, but it's just a hassle.

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I'm sorry, I'm just looking for a consistent argument pertaining to the general use of the Watch that would make the 18 hours of constant use legitimately not enough. Since there are many people out there saying that the battery life is too short, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to provide a real good reason as to why.

I can sit here and think of plenty of scenarios where i can drain even the longest lasting smart phones 3 times over in one day, but that's not a regular situation for a regular person to be in, so they wouldn't really be good arguments.

The domestic example I quoted was part of my weekly schedule for years.

Like I said, there will be a lot of others out there who will recognize this travel pattern. I often saw the same faces on the plane, week after week.

 

[fitshaced]

Agreed. This is how it goes with first generation products. The fact that I can use it as a watch for that many hours means it is not without usefulness. Ergo, it's still a watch. And I still have my phone.

If everyone using this device is reporting that they REALLY need 24 hours of battery, or 48 hours of battery, Apple will figure out how to make this work for future generations of the watch.

Apple are already aware that people will want a much better battery. They don't need people to buy this and report that they want a weeks worth for them to then put their heads together and figure it out. The battery life issue has been a major concern for them so far. They can see the opposition getting far better results. Really, what you said is very naive.

 

[sterl320]

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The domestic example I quoted was part of my weekly schedule for years.

Like I said, there will be a lot of others out there who will recognize this travel pattern. I often saw the same faces on the plane, week after week.

But what you're failing to understand is that the 18 hours that has been quoted is for constant & consistent use of the watch, mainly in scenarios where using the watch is more prevalent & convenient than using your Phone. That's basically what a smart watch is. Its not like you're on a 18 hour timer the moment you disconnect it from the charger, so regardless what you do, in 18 hours, it will die. like... that's just silly. So unless you are literally never using your phone for anything throughout the day and just using your Watch for everything, then yeah, 18 hours definitely not enough. But if you opt to use your phone for any reason (and there are many reasons within your domestic schedule where using your phone would be much better than the watch), then I'm sure you won't have to worry about the watch dying on you.

But I'm over it. I just didn't think people would see this watch as a replacement for their phone, and not as a compliment to each, which is intended.

 

[Appl3FTW]

really? Maybe you need to sit and figure that one out on your own.

I decided to ask

 

[fitshaced]

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The domestic example I quoted was part of my weekly schedule for years.

Like I said, there will be a lot of others out there who will recognize this travel pattern. I often saw the same faces on the plane, week after week.

But what you're failing to understand is that the 18 hours that has been quoted is for constant & consistent use of the watch, mainly in scenarios where using the watch is more prevalent & convenient than using your Phone. That's basically what a smart watch is. Its not like you're on a 18 hour timer the moment you disconnect it from the charger, so regardless what you do, in 18 hours, it will die. like... that's just silly. So unless you are literally never using your phone for anything throughout the day and just using your Watch for everything, then yeah, 18 hours definitely not enough. But if you opt to use your phone for any reason (and there are many reasons within your domestic schedule where using your phone would be much better than the watch), then I'm sure you won't have to worry about the watch dying on you.

But I'm over it. I just didn't think people would see this watch as a replacement for their phone, and not as a compliment to each, which is intended.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong there. 18 hours with the smart features turned on. About 5 hours in heavy use. 72 hours with just the watch on. That's how I read it.

 

[Arran]

But what you're failing to understand is that the 18 hours that has been quoted is for constant & consistent use of the watch, mainly in scenarios where using the watch is more prevalent & convenient than using your Phone. That's basically what a smart watch is. Its not like you're on a 18 hour timer the moment you disconnect it from the charger, so regardless what you do, in 18 hours, it will die. like... that's just silly. So unless you are literally never using your phone for anything throughout the day and just using your Watch for everything, then yeah, 18 hours definitely not enough. But if you opt to use your phone for any reason (and there are many reasons within your domestic schedule where using your phone would be much better than the watch), then I'm sure you won't have to worry about the watch dying on you.

But I'm over it. I just didn't think people would see this watch as a replacement for their phone, and not as a compliment to each, which is intended.

According to Apple, the maximum 18 hrs life is for this:

Testing conducted by Apple in March 2015 using preproduction Apple Watch and software paired with an iPhone using preproduction software. All-day battery life is based on 18 hours with the following use: 90 time checks, 90 notifications, 45 minutes of app use, and a 30-minute workout with music playback from Apple Watch via Bluetooth, over the course of 18 hours. Battery life varies by use, configuration, and many other factors; actual results will vary.

That doesn't sound like excessive daily use to me.

What's the point of having a smart watch if you don't use it and have to keep switching it off (and then back on again - if you remember) to preserve the battery?

 

[sterl320]

But what you're failing to understand is that the 18 hours that has been quoted is for constant & consistent use of the watch, mainly in scenarios where using the watch is more prevalent & convenient than using your Phone. That's basically what a smart watch is. Its not like you're on a 18 hour timer the moment you disconnect it from the charger, so regardless what you do, in 18 hours, it will die. like... that's just silly. So unless you are literally never using your phone for anything throughout the day and just using your Watch for everything, then yeah, 18 hours definitely not enough. But if you opt to use your phone for any reason (and there are many reasons within your domestic schedule where using your phone would be much better than the watch), then I'm sure you won't have to worry about the watch dying on you.

But I'm over it. I just didn't think people would see this watch as a replacement for their phone, and not as a compliment to each, which is intended.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong there. 18 hours with the smart features turned on. About 5 hours in heavy use. 72 hours with just the watch on. That's how I read it.[/QUOTE]

The 18 hours quoted states it consist of 90 time checks, 90 notification checks, 45 minutes of app use, a 30 minute workout (which means to have the heart rate monitor on, as well as any workout application) while also having audio playback via bluetooth (meaning not using the music you may have put on the watch itself). So its not just about having the features on, its about how much & how often they are being used, just like your smartphone. I can kill the battery of my phone in a matter of hours, or it can last me 2 days if I use it conservatively. Using the watch for just time checks a few times a hour can make help the battery last up to 48 hours, and that's with the watch paired to the iPhone, according to the info we were given. To me, that's very manageable seeing as I would never even try to use my watch as a primary source of input.

 

[Cashmonee]

The 18 hours quoted states it consist of 90 time checks, 90 notification checks, 45 minutes of app use, a 30 minute workout (which means to have the heart rate monitor on, as well as any workout application) while also having audio playback via bluetooth (meaning not using the music you may have put on the watch itself). So its not just about having the features on, its about how much & how often they are being used, just like your smartphone. I can kill the battery of my phone in a matter of hours, or it can last me 2 days if I use it conservatively. Using the watch for just time checks a few times a hour can make help the battery last up to 48 hours, and that's with the watch paired to the iPhone, according to the info we were given. To me, that's very manageable seeing as I would never even try to use my watch as a primary source of input.

That's the issue though. If this is what Apple is saying is normal use, then obviously a heavy user will get less than 18 hours. That means for some, the watch will not make it through the day. Now, the real question is how close to actual normal use is Apple's test? No one, including Apple, really knows since it hasn't gotten into the hands of normal users.

 

[sterl320]

According to Apple, the maximum 18 hrs life is for this:



That doesn't sound like excessive daily use to me.

What's the point of having a smart watch if you don't use it and have to keep switching it off (and then back on again - if you remember) to preserve the battery?

you're right, its not. and if I were to use my watch in that manner on the regular basis, it would leave 6 hours of the day unaccounted for, which will probably be the hours that I'm sleeping.

But then again, what if I don't check the time on my watch 90 times a day (how many times did you check what time it was on your current watch, or on your phone today?). What if today i didn't have to work out, or I decided to play music through my phone since it will most likely have the bigger library of songs? 90 notifications a day? only way i can see that racking up is if all my junk mail is hitting my watch, which I'll pass on.

Bascially, if I didn't use the watch as constant as I would need to check the time 90 times a day, receive 90 text messages or emails to my watch, use the heart rate monitor, have about a hour or 2 of app usage, and play music, all without charging it once since the day started, then I wouldn't be using enough of the battery to deplete it 18 hours later.

 

[AFDoc]

I decided to ask

Yes I know but you'll get some saying get on and some the other....so how exactly is asking going to help you make up your mind?

 

[sterl320]

That's the issue though. If this is what Apple is saying is normal use, then obviously a heavy user will get less than 18 hours. That means for some, the watch will not make it through the day. Now, the real question is how close to actual normal use is Apple's test? No one, including Apple, really knows since it hasn't gotten into the hands of normal users.

But would you say check to see what time it was 90 times a day is normal?

 

[0007776]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me exactly why 18 hours isn't enough.

If I was going to get something like the apple watch I'd want to be able to use the GPS to log how far I've gone hiking, and if I end up going on a backpacking trip I would need several days battery life at the minimum. Also for day to day 18 hours might be good enough to begin with, but batteries always lose capacity over time, so in a year or two it might not be able to get through the day.

 

[Cashmonee]

But would you say check to see what time it was 90 times a day is normal?

Honestly, I have no idea. At first glance, it seems like a lot. Then I think about a normal day at work, I am a teacher, and it actually sounds low. I have never counted, I assume Apple has, and this is the average for their testers. Unfortunately, their testers are probably not a representative sample.

 

[sterl320]

If I was going to get something like the apple watch I'd want to be able to use the GPS to log how far I've gone hiking, and if I end up going on a backpacking trip I would need several days battery life at the minimum. Also for day to day 18 hours might be good enough to begin with, but batteries always lose capacity over time, so in a year or two it might not be able to get through the day.

Then you wouldn't get anything like an Apple Watch, since it, and many other smart watches don't have a GPS chip and/or the battery to withstand that long of a use of the GPS. You would get an actual GPS watch, like a Garmin fenix, for hiking. That's what they're made for.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

This statement is incorrect. According to the provided link, "Once the battery gets too low on the smartwatch, the gadget goes into a Power Reserve mode that lets you see the time for up to 72 hours from the moment it’s activated — that’s good for checking the time each hour for four times, with each check lasting 4 seconds."

So if I wish to do simple things such as time a patient's pulse, respiratory rate, and other similar timing functions (which take approximately 15-60 seconds per patient) that my dumbwatch would allow me to do, I would not be able to do this with the Apple Watch even in Power Reserve mode. Even using it as a stopwatch or countdown would likely be out of the question based on the short intervals the Power Reserve Mode would allow.

Link: http://bgr.com/2015/03/10/apple-watch-battery-power-reserve/

Again, this is not a complaint. I am still very excited to purchase one for social usage, but simply responding to a poster's original question on what situations would require more than 18 hours. I definitely look forward to greater battery life in the future, but will happy to try one out for what it is as a first generation product.

No, the 72-hour estimate of the power reserve mode was obtained from a test conducted using preproduction model with 4 time checks (4 seconds each) per hour. It doesn't mean you're limited to 4 seconds if you want to check the time. You can still use it in the power reserve mode to check on your patients for 15-60 seconds each but it won't last as long as 72 hours. Not really a problem unless you actually work 72 hour shifts.

 

[amitdoc2b]

No, the 72-hour estimate of the power reserve mode was obtained from a test conducted using preproduction model with 4 time checks (4 seconds each) per hour. It doesn't mean you're limited to 4 seconds if you want to check the time. You can still use it in the power reserve mode to check on your patients for 15-60 seconds each but it won't last as long as 72 hours. Not really a problem unless you actually work 72 hour shifts.

I already took that into account before responding. If you do the calculations, that's about 60 seconds for up to 19 patients (or half that if I have to do multiple timings on one individual). If checking vitals on a couple of floors of a hospital or even instructing medical students, PA students, residents, or nursing students on how to conduct them, that power reserve mode will be depleted within a couple hours. And that's not including anytime I actually want to check the time for myself! Again, I already realize that the Apple Watch may be inconvenient for healthcare providers that have long shifts, which is why I am using it primarily as as a social or recreational tool outside of work rather than depending on it at work. I plan to enjoy the technology for what it is.. and once its better in the future, I hope to integrate it within to my work full-time.

 

[DreamPod]

International, maybe not everyday.

But thinking about it, domestic travel days can get just as long: Leave house 4:30 AM --> Airport --> Office --> Dinner/drinks out --> get to hotel at 10:00 PM = 17.5 hrs. Many will recognize this schedule.

Travel is stressful enough without another battery letting you down or needing to carry another gizmo to charge it (which is always in the other bag! )

Good news! In that day you just described, there was no 30 minutes spent exercising while using the watch to play music without a phone in your pocket. As that is one of the most battery-eating uses, you've just allowed the watch to last your whole day no problem since that's included in Apple's 18 hour day.

 

[KPOM]

Many of us in the medical profession have to work 24-36 hour shifts when on-call a couple times per week. It would be difficult to make this my sole watch for that reason because I would have to switch what I use at work otherwise. It should be enough for those who work 9-5 jobs though. I do plan to still get an Apple Watch for when I am not working and just socializing.

OT but hopefully if I ever need your services it is in hour 1 of your shift and not hour 36. #

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That's the issue though. If this is what Apple is saying is normal use, then obviously a heavy user will get less than 18 hours. That means for some, the watch will not make it through the day. Now, the real question is how close to actual normal use is Apple's test? No one, including Apple, really knows since it hasn't gotten into the hands of normal users.

Tim Cook has been using it daily for several months now. A CEO of any large company, particularly one as large as Apple, is likely to be very busy with lots of meetings and appointments throughout the day. He's probably looking at his watch a lot.

 

[Cashmonee]

Tim Cook has been using it daily for several months now. A CEO of any large company, particularly one as large as Apple, is likely to be very busy with lots of meetings and appointments throughout the day. He's probably looking at his watch a lot.

He is also likely to have several at his disposal, and probably wouldn't say something like, "I have used this for months and it is great, but the battery life really sucks!" I will take an unbiased reviewers word over the CEO of the company any day.