This has to be the longest period without jailbreak...

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by Manatlt, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. Manatlt macrumors 6502a

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    From iOS 10.3 to iOS 11.3.3.

    11 iOS versions have been released since the last jailbreak.
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    iOS 10.2 (released Dec 12th 2016) is the last version that you could jailbreak while Apple is still signing. We are just over a week from going through an entire year.
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    iPhone 8, 8+ and X still yet to have any kind of jailbreak (although you can argue to date iPhone 5 and 7/7+ had it worse).

    My SE has been stuck on 9.3.3 (luckily as I bought it April this year) and never had the chance to upgrade it since.

    Is this...really the end of jailbreaking?
     
  2. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    What about the year and a half when iOS 10 had no jailbreak and 9.3.2 was the last one?

    End of jailbreaking?

    It's certainly been fewer and farther between and now only sem-untethered, but the end.

    Don't think so.
     
  3. maflynn Moderator

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    I think the writing is on the wall with regards to jailbreaking. I think jailbreaking is a thing of the past, much like how theming was a thing for OS X, but apple made it so hard that it just withered and died
     
  4. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    You may be right and I certainly see a decline.

    I've already decided my next phone will not be an iPhone. And as I slowly upgrade my older PowerPC Macs, as they die and are not replaced by the same, the ultimate stop for me will be Yosemite.

    Beyond that I will probably switch back to Windows PC if Apple continues this trend.

    Apple wants to lock everything down and a lot of people seem to be okay with that. It baffles me, but people are willing to be taken care of it seems if it means they don't have to think or do for themselkves.
     
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  8. Manatlt thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    A year and a half? iOS 10.2 had a jailbreak released the following December. That's about 3-4 months. That's not a year and a half.
     
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    A jailbreak for iOS 11 up to 11.1.2 has been released today, but with no Cydia yet. Since 11.1.2 is no longer signed while this jailbreak has been released, so except the part where I said 8/X/8+ hasn't got any jailbreak, everything else I said in the OP is still correct.
     
  11. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    It's not that Apple makes jailbreaking hard, it's just lost it's appeal as Apple has added the features many jailbroke for into iOS over the years.

    It's not that it's any more difficult to sneak into movies, it's just lost it's appeal as services like MoviePass have removed or lessened the reason people would sneak into movies.
     
  12. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    Personally, I think it's just people are willing to accept crap in exchange for not dealing with the hassle of jailbreaking.

    It's the only explanation I have that makes "Apple added features" acceptable over things like BiteSMS, iBlacklist, Callbar, etc.

    If people were more willing to fight for better features than the garbage Apple tries to pass off as a feature then things might be a bit different.

    But people seem to be okay with other people making decisions for them.
     
  13. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    I'm not saying Apple's iteration of bitesms\blacklist, etc is 100%, I'm simply saying when there is a middle ground between Apple adding a feature that does most of what someone wants, it makes the idea of the hassle of jailbreak less appealing than it used to be. Look back at forums from like 2009... people would have hundreds of tweaks to justify their jailbreak. Then a couple years ago the same forums people would say things like "this tweak is the only reason I jailbreak" .... so while there are still some that want the flexibility of additional option\tweaks, many of those with just one or two tweaks that justified jailbreaking no longer have that justification now that Apple has at least made an attempt to integrate that feature into iOS.

    Remember, just because YOU think something is invaluable doesn't mean most do. The reason many like iOS is because "it just works" and when you give users fewer options to make something not work, it also means less control by the user. If you don't like companies that control user experience, Apple should be your worst enemy in every hardware\software line.
     
  14. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    I'm not arguing what has happened and I am not arguing that what Apple has offered has been justification for a lot of people.

    What I am saying is that people will always choose the path of least resistance even if the benefit to them is minimal.

    You are correct in that what I believe to be invaluable is not the same for everyone else. But it cannot be argued that if a person is presented with the option to get a little something less for less work they will take that option.

    People want it easy. They don't want to think and they don't want to make their own decisions. It's easier to just have other people make it for them.

    I just cannot participate in that. I refuse to have my decisions made for me. Which is why I've jailbroken since iOS 5. And it's why my next phone won't be an iPhone.
     
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    Jailbreaking hasn't been common place since the days of iPhone 5S and earlier... ever since the numbers have dwindled, and yet marketshare has remained steady despite people saying "my next phone won't be iPhone" ... Enjoy the Android experience. It has a TON of great stuff, but it also has a bunch of shortcomings. I've had both over the years and keep going back to iPhone. Lots of stuff I could see improved, but compared to Android it's just far more polished. But to each his own... thanks for the input here.
     
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    Oh, don't mistake me for a disgruntled Apple user who is saying good riddance. My leaving won't have any effect on Apple and I am not arguing that Apple is going down the tubes.

    Far from it.

    Just expressing my opinion on humanity and why I think that particular trait has contributed to the decline of jailbreaking.

    But I am also going to add that going Android is not something I would have considered until about a year ago. For me, it's always seemed to have a confused UI, poorly-designed icons and it sprouts menubar icons like a pregnant rabbit.

    But over the last year it's gotten more polished. The fact that there has been nothing Apple has offered featurewise to entice me since iOS 6 has also contributed to things. I don't do anything different now that I didn't do in 2009 with my phone. And Apple, while offering more 'features' and integrating some aspectes of JB tweaks, has continued to lock down the system. This combined with the direction Apple has headed in design-wise with their phones has finally led me to leave.

    I'm not invested in Apple's eco-system either. I can't be because my Macs are 2003-2006 vintage and no iPhone I've ever bought new has been able to sync with them. So, other than iMessage Apple really has no hold on me. And SMS is sufficient.

    Lastly, it's not an all or nothing fit I am throwing here. I plan on buying an iPad Pro this year and my current crop of Macs will stay. It's just my phone won't be an iPhone.
     
  17. Will22 macrumors 65816

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    From what I see a lot of Apple users need to be told by Apple what they should want or need in a phone.
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    What bunch of shortcomings does android have? Been using an S8+ and a Note 8 for the last six months and I can't see any.
     
  18. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    Still using SMS is a HUGE shortcoming. Not having a universal messaging system (iMessage) is HUGE and the number one reason I stick with iOS. If you can't see that, maybe you're good with whatever you're dished up. Why be forced to rely on third party messaging (ie WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, etc) to be able to send files and stuff?

    If you seriously can't see any shortcomings in Android, wow, just wow. Even as an Apple fan I see many shortcomings in Apple products and software.
     
  19. eyoungren macrumors Core

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    Android has read receipts and typing indicators, just like iMessage. At least on T-Mobile (my carrier) anyway.

    I don't understand the problem with SMS. Most plans now have unlimited texting and a vast percentage of the people I communicate with on my iPhone DON'T have iPhones so it's SMS anyway. Want to send pictures? MMS is fine too.

    I'm also not sending anyone files.
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    Which goes back to Steve Jobs.

    Say what you will about him, he recognized that people are inherently lazy and desire to be directed. The average person is a lemming who just wants to be part of the group and is willing to sell their individuality for convenience, security or both.
     
  20. Will22, Dec 27, 2017
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    I've had unlimited sms for at least the last 8 years here in the UK/Ireland and Italy where I live so I don't see a reason for imessage or WhatsApp.

    As for the wow, just wow, I don't see anything I'm missing with android. However when I use my iPhone I see loads of things that I miss.
     
  21. Will22 macrumors 65816

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    Thought you would have mentioned some of the shortcomings of a top android phone by now seeing as you obviously think there's so many. I wonder why?
     
  22. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    iMessage, or lack thereof anything even close to comparable. That's the #1 reason I stick with iPhone. If Android or a third party had something that was universal that even came close, I'd be the first to jump ship from iOS to Android. Android does 75% of things that both phones do better. But iOS has some things that are critical for me like iMessage, that Android just can't touch. Clearly given the mass migration from iOS to Android, that's not as important to everyone, but for me it's the glue that keeps me stuck at least for now.
     
  23. TriJetHero macrumors 601

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    Try Whatsapp... or wechat... over 75% of the planet uses those and is crossplatform... even when I still owned a jailbroken iPhone I hardly used iMessage as it is only for Apple ecosystem and many people are on android which makes it only partly useable.
     
  24. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    75% lol. I have 1107 contacts and 67 use WhatsApp and 601 use iMessage. I guess part is the type of people one hangs out with. Most professionals don’t use WhatsApp.
     
  25. Strelok macrumors 6502a

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    Also depends on where you live. In the US? iMessage is everywhere. In Europe? WhatsApp is probably the most popular, and in China WeChat or w/e it's called is what they use the most. Since 99% of my contacts are in the US, iMessage is what I use. I do have WhatsApp and FB messenger, but I rarely use them.
     

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