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This is going to shock you coming from me....

since i only need consumer level computing, i don't really notice apple's backwardness

but i would like to see ddr ram...that is the main sticking point right now
 
Grokgod...

Grokgod, you are right on the money with that big post! Apple's business strategy has for a long time, been to milk the consumer for all it's worth. many companies do this BUT in the computing world it's so much more obvious. i believe 100% that they have had new hardware ready for a long time. they are waiting to put it out. Apple's main consumer base are "Macheads" who will be repeatedly buy what ever comes out. and Apple knows this. it's like records and tapes...the CD was actually invented YEARS before the cassette tape but it was too good. so they make everyone buy a million LPs, then, a million 8tracks, then replace their whole collection with cassettes, THEN they release the CD. and the Laserdisk was invented in the 70's! but we still dealt with VHS for 20 years. i know this is a weird comparison but it's similar in that Apple having such a small marketshare causes them to screw the consumer on a yearly basis. i will NOT buy another product from Apple until the hardware is up to date and fairly priced. i have no problem spending a lot of dough on a machine but it better be worth it. if i have to go to Winblows i will.
 
Thanks Tjwett

Its not a weird comparison at all, it makes total sense!

A company like APPLe has hardware and designs sitting in the back room.

Its all put together ages ago, they have a timeline.

What that timeline includes is putting out the oldest, cheapest hardware at the highest prices that they can get away with!
How the hell do you think that got all that money in the bank, from the MAC loyal buying their old crap!

Notice I said GET away with.

If you tried this in the PCheese universe, it would be hysterical! ROFLOL!

WHo the hell would buy a Pcheese with MAC specs, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON.

Ok, maybe that retardo in the corner.

And thats why Pcheesers laugh at us!

They dont have the loyality to the MAC base or OS that we do and its looks damn funny to buy a system that is being handed to us as the BEST when its SO obvious we are being abused and mistreated.

No one like the way M$ abuses their user base.
Why does APPLE get away with it for SO long.

I will say it again~
If you really want to get the PowerMAcs that we SO desparately NEED!
And we do NEED them for SO many reasons.

Then we NEED to tell APPLE in the only way that they can understand!
With SALES. DO NOT buy another mac that isnt UP to snuff.
And I promise you that there WILL be new amazing hardware, SO freakin FAST, that you will think your body was launched from a missile SILO!
 
sure there will be a boost, but apple is just one small company so it won't go head to head with the latest and fastest
 
Even with the rumored update, it's still old technology. So it has DDR SDRAM? Great. It SHOULD for that price! But it's still only DDR doubling to 266. Dells double to around 500. If the Xserve is any indication, the drives will only be ATA 133. What's up with that? As long as you're redesigning the system, you might as well put ATA 166 in there, unless you're planning on redesigning the component interfaces sometime soon. Again, if the Xserve is any indication ,still no USB 2. (although this may have a lot to do with the fact that USB 2 is faster than FireWire). But then again, no FireWire 2, either.

So, again, this will be a "just enough to get by" update. Still old technology that's going to get more outdated with every new line of Wintel or AMD boxes. I think it's a never ending cycle. Charge as much as you can for old, cheaper technology. And we keep buying it.


Look on the bright side, though. At least we don't crash as much or have to deal with an annoying, terribly designed, and intrusive OS. I'm going to start a new "crash log" thread. For those of us that use PC's as well. Every time we get the blue screen, we can log it. then whenever we get frustrated with our Macs, we can look to the thread and realize that it could be worse...MUCH worse. ;)
 
Originally posted by iH8Quark
Even with the rumored update, it's still old technology. So it has DDR SDRAM? Great. It SHOULD for that price! But it's still only DDR doubling to 266. Dells double to around 500. If the Xserve is any indication, the drives will only be ATA 133. What's up with that? As long as you're redesigning the system, you might as well put ATA 166 in there, unless you're planning on redesigning the component interfaces sometime soon. Again, if the Xserve is any indication ,still no USB 2. (although this may have a lot to do with the fact that USB 2 is faster than FireWire). But then again, no FireWire 2, either.
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Alright Bubba... First, 266DDR (PC2100) memory is nothing to scoff at... Do we really care about what dell tosses into their peecheese??? No, we don't. :p

ATA133 is the fastest you can get, currently. There is no 'only' when you refer to it. :rolleyes: You COULD say 'only' for ATA66 or ATA100, but not ATA133. Even if/when ATA166 does come out, until there are actually hard drives that run at that speed, there is no point in even considering placing it on motherboards.

As for USB2, f*ck it... FireWire[1] is still faster than it is for everything that counts.

Ever consider that one of the annoucements at next week's MW is going to be FireWire 2 in all new Mac's??? :p

Suck on it biatch... :eek: :eek: :p :D
 
but...

Originally posted by jefhatfield
sure there will be a boost, but apple is just one small company so it won't go head to head with the latest and fastest
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right. they are a small company. and we are agreed that they are selling outdated hardware. then don't you think they should price them competitively? if they can't afford to then they shouldn't be in business anymore. it's survival of the fittest. this is like the mom and pop video and hardware stores trying to fight off Blockbuster and Home Depot. they didn't make it because EVENTUALLY the customers chose variety, lower price, and convenience. this will happen to Apple if they don't start competing. and i don't mean with ad campaigns, i'm talking about PRODUCT! there are only so many Mac "fanatics" that will continue to keep Apple afloat. eventually we'll all get tired of treading water.
 
My mac theme in Windows Xp.
 

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oh cripes,!

Ok, i have to have that Aqua theme, for my Pcheese also!

what app does this theme stuff... whats it called.?

I will have to be on my Pcheese for a while cause of APPLE desire to RIP me with cheap hardware and the fact that I have decided to stand for my convictions!

I am not going to switch to Pcheese and the WINTEL monster party, but I am not buying a new PowerMac till its the freakin BEST!


Originally posted by jefhatfield
sure there will be a boost, but apple is just one small company so it won't go head to head with the latest and fastest

Yea they are a small company with BILLIONS in the bank and doing well.
If I can go to the store and buy DDRAM then so the hell can they!

They arent reinventing the wheel here!

They are years behind and there is no excuse or reason.

When APPLE joins up with the rest of the computer world, I will be buying and not one second before!

Someone has to make a stand, or this will go on forever, it sure as hell feels like it has already! ~ sheesh
 
Re: oh cripes,!

Originally posted by Grokgod


Yea they are a small company with BILLIONS in the bank and doing well.
If I can go to the store and buy DDRAM then so the hell can they!

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actually, that makes sense!

i hope apple has ddr next week:D
 
apple legal is pissed...

If the "Aqua" theme for XP looks THIS similar to X, I think those Apple Lawyers are going to do something about it!!
 
Originally posted by Backtothemac


That theme is for Windowblinds. Great program really. It is at www.stardock.com
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The windowblinds skin I am using is called qty X. You can download it at www.wincustomize.com.

The system font is true type font Lucinda Grande.

The aqua icons are harder to find. The site I downloaded them from is closed down. =(

The apple bar I am using is winmac.
http://winmac.emuunlim.com/

The psuedo Itunes app is really a skin for a media player called qcdplayer.
www.quinnware.com.

If you want the itunes skin for qcd player ask me nicely for it in an email.

taeclee@yahoo.com
 
I agree

Yes, thank you. I've been ranting about this for awhile now.

I can understand not having Serial ATA, 400 MHz DDR-RAM, FW2, etc. But what about today's technology?

ATA/133 (so we can have hard drives over 128-137GB), DDR-333, 166 (or higher) FSB, and USB2.

Or even ATA/100, DDR-266, 133 FSB across the board. Today's STANDARD technology, except on the cheaper stuff.

We all know Apples work better, but some of us need faster. Not all of us use them to play games. Buy a PS2 fer *****sake. Digital Video, Imaging, Music, that's why I want a Mac. PCs suck for that stuff. they may be faster, but my PCs f*ck up all the time. I had to use one at work. Blech, don't get me started.

WE NEED SPEED.

If the new Towers have DDR and 120 GB hard drives, I'll be happy. I can add a PCI ATA/133 or Serial card if need be. And I'm sure someone will have a combo FW2/USB2.

I'm just gonna be p*ssed that i have to spend $3000 on software I like.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong... But, I'm not.
 
I think that alot of Pros have felt this way, like SOLVS.

There is work to be done and honestly there are a LOT of people searching for a solution to the TWO major issues in the computer world.

Wintel's OS bites it!
APples's hardware is Crap!

Why else would SO many Pro's have moved to Wintel!
Macheads like to remember the days when MAc's were king in the creative fields.

Thats not the case anymore and APPLE understands this or they should.
WHY else would they be asking pro users what they want in a box.

What irritates me is why bother asking if you never plan to deliver.

Later orin a few months isnt what matters here.

This is the big league, its NOW or never, NOt later.

If later worked APPLE wouldnt be at 5%, they would be KING!
 
I totally agree with Grok' and solvs.

I love OS X and all the iApps, Final Cut Pro, etc...but damn it's hard to justify paying so much for Apple's hardware when you can get more for less with a PC.

Fending off PC-weenies gets more and more difficult as Apple falls farther and farther behind.

DDR and faster hard-drives are key bottlenecks for Mac performance.

Give us the goods Apple!
 
Wow! I am impressed.

I only read through the first page of this thread, but it appears that the Mac fanatics are slowly losing their fanaticism. There is grumbling among the faithful. And to that I say, 'about frickin' time'. Many of you, who formerly apologized for Apple's ineptness, are now realizing that you shouldn't have to take their crap.

No, I am not a closet PC weenie coming in here to bash Macs. I love the Mac user experience. I love the straightforwardness of the system as a whole, from the software to the opening of the side of my B&W to get at any and all of my hardware components. But c'mon.

There is nothing innovative or different about 133MHz FSBs (well, it's different, but hardly innovative). There is nothing insanely great about processors that, in every test I've read over the past 7 or so months, shows that clock for clock, the G4 is equal to the Athlon. The problem is, of course, that the Athlon's clocks are way ahead of the G4's. And why have we waited so long for DDR-RAM?

I'm in love with the end user experience. I love my Mac programs, for both 9 & X. But I am tired of paying 100% more the same level or overall system performance.

I wanted to get a new Mac this year. But what did I do instead? I went out and bought a 3-month old Athlon system (still waiting to decide exactly what kind of RAM it needs and what version of OS would best serve my needs). But I am going to find out, by living with both platforms, which provides the better overall experience. Is the Mac worth the extra dough? I'm inclined to say no, but I'm going to find out for sure during the coming months. How much is this costing me? Well, after all is said and done, I will have spent about $1,000 on a single-1.8GHz Athlon (as far as I know, this is not the 1800+ P4 rating), with about a gig of DDR-RAM, 40-gig HD, GF3 Ti and XP or 2000. How much do you think a comparably-equipped Mac would cost?

C'mon Apple. I want to stick with you. Please give me some good reasons next week.
 
Stability. Durability. Flawless hardware/OS integration. User-friendliness. These are why we buy Macs, despite the hardware performance shortfalls.

Any of us who work in Windows environments know that the raw speed of their systems--for the price--is staggering. Even Mac "powerusers" don't use AltiVec-intensive processing 100% of the time, and consumers far less than 50% I would wager. All of Apple's speed bragging is based on Photoshop renders and other such AltiVec-optimized tasks--take that away and PowerMacs get stomped, dollar for dollar.

Hard to convince anyone to "switch" to a more expensive, slower machine, even if it has a clearly better OS, is more reliable, costs less in the long run and has a cooler design ethos.

The Mac faithful (of which I am a card-carrying member, rest assured) have finally learned our lesson. Wait. Don't buy these expensive but still slower machines. Cobble your current Mac set-up or buy a cheap PC as a stop-gap measure until Steve delivers cutting edge hardware again.

I used to work for a small publishing firm who dumped all of their Macs for PCs. Yes, the tech problems experienced a ten-fold increase, and yes, per-user productivity suffered. But they could buy 2 or 3 cheap PCs for every Mac and have more people working productively with less up-front capital outlay. More and more small publishing concerns are following the same path.

I think the bare minimum for remaining competitive would be the latest guesses: 1, 1.2, 1.4ghz DP machines w/DDR RAM and other mobo bandwidth expansion to make full use of the CPU, near top-of-the-line graphics processing, ATA 133. If not at the top of the heap on clock speed, we need to be clearly superior in the MFLOPS score area, and not just with Photoshop renders, either. With everything. No side-by-side test of any kind should show weakness, especially for these prices.

Steve's track record is pretty good since his return. The Cube is the only real failing, and that was more a marketing/pricing failure than a hardware one (borne out by the number of Cube fanatics on this forum). Steve will have to deliver the goods in order to impress any of us who are not lulled by his mesmerizing hype. But he probably will. And we will buy and maintain our evangelical fervor for the platform.

But he'd better hurry.
 
Originally posted by Backtothemac
That theme is for Windowblinds. Great program really. It is at www.stardock.com
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Ugh!!! I attempted that last night... seems that it doesn't like win2k all that much (those BASTARDS!!). The skins I wanted to use wouldn't work for me, so I just removed it and went back to the standard peecee look. At least that doesn't act whacked when I need it to function.
 
Hey, Kethoticus, how much are you dumping on the XP2200+ chip?? That is the one rated at 1.8GHz. You are paying for a whopping 70MHz difference between that chip and the 2100+. I have the 2100+ inside my game peecee at home, and it humms right along.

One thing that is very important, get a quality case, and power supply. CoolerMaster makes excellent cases, and you pay for the quality construction. I picked up the ATC110 not too long ago, and it is the best case I have ever seen or used. Zero sharp edges and you really don't need any tools to open it up.

The type of memory is dictated by the motherboard... As is the maximum amount it can take (also affected by the type).

Don't blow the money on a GF3 card, get a Radeon 8500. I have one of those, and I get very high frame rates, and no problems at all with GTA3 (where people are b*tchin all over about crappy frame rates).

Send me a PM, and I can give you a more detailed run down of the game über system that I constructed... :D
 
You hit it on the head D*I*S*!

I am going to use my PCheese as a stop gap also and refuse to buy another cosmetic tech bumped mac. No way in Hell.

I understand what your saying about Photoshop.
But I cant even get Photoshop to respond at the rate that my 2.2 Pcheese does.
It painfully slow in comaparison to my Ti 800.

WHen I buy a new computer I want MORE power and greater USE.
NOT a reason to justify its slow speed with good looks.

I make large files for print and the MIN for my graphics is 300 dpi but i prefer 600.

This really taxes RAM, CPU and Graphics power, believe me!

The MAc I have CHokes! I mean CHOKES.

In fact there is a recent thread where its stated that a DP 1 giger is choking!
Its the freaking bottle necks I think, because ALtivec doesnt seem to be helping as JOBS loves to display.

OK so, just in case there are TROLLS from APPLE here.
AND incase they are still not understanding what the whole pro community has been saying for so long!

INcrease the Hardware specs with those new units your hiding in your backroom.
Or we are not buying anything!
Its easy to get a cheap Pcheese and use it as a stop gap till the next MW.
or till APPLE comes around, if they ever do.

Imagine the money that is saved if you use the STOPGAP.
Instead of spending it on a MAC that is another mere speedbump.
THousands! What does that mean to APPLE, MILLIONS!

Someone needs to wake up.
 
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