iPhone 12 Pro This is why I get the pro model over the regular

[ericwn]

Well it was easy. That shallow DOF is only achievable by Prime lens, zoom lens do have DOF but it is not that obvious. Also the nose of a cat is very out of focus and blurry. With zoom lens, the nose could be out of focus but still would produce much crisper image.

That would strongly depend on the focal length of said zoom lens as well.

 

[ericwn]

Depth of field is why a person wants to be a photographer, yes? It’s magical. I had a point and shoot Sony camera many, many years ago. Then Canon came out with the EOS Digital Rebel and I was absolutely amazed by the photos it achieved, because of the DOF. I didn’t know what bokeh was before.

Yeah…

Bokeh is not DOF though and by far not the main reason why people want to be photographers. In fact, those who only produce shallow DOF shots are hardly blessed with particular talent.

 

[GumaRodak]

There is no way how phone camera can match a dedicated photo system. You cant beat physics with AI to create portraits and pictures.
and the 100MP phone camera marketing…its just 100MP of trash

 

[ericwn]

There is no way how phone camera can match a dedicated photo system. You cant beat physics with AI to create portraits and pictures.
and the 100MP phone camera marketing…its just 100MP of trash

I think nobody will disagree with you on that one.

However, learning to use a dedicated camera properly takes time, practice and skill. While iPhones don’t match image quality the reason why they’re the most often used digital camera is because they’re convenient, easy to use and return better results than an amateur using a DSLR with no skill.

 

[GumaRodak]

i agree with you...to be honest i am happy that ppls using phones so much....because when they will see a professional photo made by professional, they will say wow, as they know photo only from phones ....

 

[Zaft]

Photos are great but the big difference I noticed coming to the 12 PM was the HDR video. It’s all bright and clear, plus I do all my videos in 60fps. Love it.

 

[ericwn]

i agree with you...to be honest i am happy that ppls using phones so much....because when they will see a professional photo made by professional, they will say wow, as they know photo only from phones ....

That may or may not happen, or we may see a mix of both. While I think it’s great to have more people interested in photography, their review medium is often times their phone screen as well - good luck displaying all the details on a 6”screen, for example. Also, what could happen more and more is that people are convinced that they don’t need professional photographers at all - look at how hard it is to make a living in the photo industry these days.

 

[roncron]

All excellent points. Your comment about the rituals of being a photographer interfering with the experience/activity really resonated with me. I see now that's why I leave my camera bag & lenses at home more often than not.

But there's a middle ground: take something pocketable like a Sony RX100 that has a 1" sensor.

You get significantly better pictures than iPhone (and I say that as someone who really appreciates the quality of iPhone cameras). Way less to lug around while sight-seeing. Doesn't impede participating in the activity and enjoying the experience.

I picked up an open-box RX100v6 for a couple hundred off list, it's really been a great compromise for me when I want better shots than the iPhone can produce but can't or don't want to be bothered with lugging the full kit.

I recently made the decision to leave my DSLR behind more often. You all are right, I get better photos with my old Canon Digital Rebel 4i than I do with my iPhone, even with kit lenses and shooting in JPEG. And with being a dabbler instead of a pro.

But I’ve learned over the years that when I bring my camera equipment to an outing, then that’s what I’m doing for the day. I can try to participate in the activity and shoot as well…but I am dissatisfied with the experience of both.

Choosing to shoot instead of participate is a perfectly good choice! it’s fun and creative and appreciated. But I find as I get older I want to lug around my equipment less and be involved in the activity more.

The real turning point for me is an upcoming (pending how things are with the virus) trip to Italy. My first trip outside North America! And to one of the most photogenic places in the world! But the idea of carrying my camera bag and tripod (and stressing constantly over their safety and security), taking a thousand photos and poring over all of them after returning home…that used to be worth it for the shooting experience. But I don’t feel that way any more.

(I also feel that there’s no photo I could take that would be as good as any one of a thousand id find with a DuckDuckGo search.)

So I’m expecting to upgrade my SE to a 13 or 13 Pro, and leave the camera at home when I go. I’ll probably feel naked, lol, but for the first time it feels like the right choice.

in the spirit of the original post, I am not sure if I’m going to get the 13 Pro, or save a few bucks and get the 13 and a case with an attachable telephoto lens.

 

[lkalliance]

All excellent points. Your comment about the rituals of being a photographer interfering with the experience/activity really resonated with me. I see now that's why I leave my camera bag & lenses at home more often than not.

But there's a middle ground: take something pocketable like a Sony RX100 that has a 1" sensor.

You get significantly better pictures than iPhone (and I say that as someone who really appreciates the quality of iPhone cameras). Way less to lug around while sight-seeing. Doesn't impede participating in the activity and enjoying the experience.

I picked up an open-box RX100v6 for a couple hundred off list, it's really been a great compromise for me when I want better shots than the iPhone can produce but can't or don't want to be bothered with lugging the full kit.

You know it's quite a coincidence: you posted this reply within minutes of a similar reply on another thread where I was seeking advice on external iPhone lenses. I like this idea! I had always shrugged off point-and-shoots because of course my DSLR was always going to be better. But having made the decision I've made, now P&S is back in play. I'm going to check some out!

 

[ToddH]

I agree! However I see a lot of iPhone photos posted in various apps and so many of them are basic at best, very little editing. I love ProRAW and I love my Sony A7RIII, but to be honest, I use my 12 pro max a whole lot more. One of these days I hope to see computational photography (deep fusion & Smart HDR) in a DSLR. The images out of the iPhone are just so much better because of this. Using the lens attachments like Moment, Sandmarc etc also give you more options. I’d love to teach an iPhone photography class, have a workshop somewhere.
It’s all about the lighting and editing. Check out this article

https://petapixel.com/2021/08/31/understanding-how-light-works-is-more-important-than-your-camera/

You all have a good one,

Todd

 

[radamo]

Although the format is looking doomed, the Micro 4/3 systems from Olympus and Panasonic are quite capable and infinitely portable. I sold my full frame Canon gear over 5 years ago and have been using Olympus M43 cameras with incredible results since then. I do also have an 11 Pro for quick snaps when I did not bring my M43...