This is why I'm waiting for an LTE iPhone. :)

[mikelegacy]

Which is exactly why I believe AT&T will do the same. Worst case scenario I would just stick to my guns with my 3G service. 2.85Mbps-4.25Mbps is a fine speed to keep if it means staying with my unlimited. I could also just go with an HSPA+ phone as that is technically 3.75G and not 4G service. Just enhanced backhaul.

TECHNICALLY. Verizon LTE is only 3.25G and ATT HSPA+ is barely even 3G.

True 4G is a network that downloads up to 100Mbps from a fast moving vehicle and up to 1Gbps from a stationary position. The only tech that could ever achieve this is LTE-Advanced, which is NO WHERE NEAR real world development.

Just saying, if we are getting technical, I wanted to set that straight. True 4G technology doesn't exist.

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The actual network IS better for your device. The hardware just isn't there quiet yet which is why I'm holding out another year for the iP6.

If it was truly a better, less energy consuming network, then it would run better on the current hardware. That's like saying my Honda civic could go faster than that Ferrari if I only got a shiny new Honda 500 Horsepower engine that hasn't been invented yet.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

TECHNICALLY. Verizon LTE is only 3.25G and ATT HSPA+ is barely even 3G.

True 4G is a network that downloads up to 100Mbps from a fast moving vehicle and up to 1Gbps from a stationary position. The only tech that could ever achieve this is LTE-Advanced, which is NO WHERE NEAR real world development.

Just saying, if we are getting technical, I wanted to set that straight. True 4G technology doesn't exist.

HSPA+ is not 'barely' 3G. Anything which providers higher download rates compareable to broadband is 3G. You could argue Edge 2.5G is also '3G' since it theoretically can provide somewhere around 400Kilobits a second, but in the real world it usualy peaks at 90-180Kilobits.

 

[Deadman64]

More iPhone 5 for me

Good luck with that battery on 4G

lol...just because Apple doesnt want to adopt it it's clearly the wrong path for technology

Personally, I think Apple would be pretty dumb to not include LTE. Most phones are coming out with it now it seems. Heaven forbid apple should make something future proof...well here's to hoping the iP5 delivers!

 

[mikelegacy]

HSPA+ is not 'barely' 3G. Anything which providers higher download rates compareable to broadband is 3G. You could argue Edge 2.5G is also '3G' since it theoretically can provide somewhere around 400Kilobits a second, but in the real world it usualy peaks at 90-180Kilobits.

My point was 4G doesn't exist. You're taking the least important part of my last post and quoting it. Besides, 90-180 Kbps is nowhere NEAR broadband cable speeds. 50Kbps is the tops of dial-up. 1.5 Mbps compares to most Broadband/DSL connections and those numbers are WAY higher today. Calling HSPA+ "barely 3G" was a figure of speech to prove that it is incredibly slower than LTE, both of which are not even on the same speed chart as LTE-A.

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lol...just because Apple doesnt want to adopt it it's clearly the wrong path for technology

Personally, I think Apple would be pretty dumb to not include LTE. Most phones are coming out with it now it seems. Heaven forbid apple should make something future proof...well here's to hoping the iP5 delivers!

I want LTE as much as the next person, but Apple will be overly successful either way. They didn't adopt 3G at first....that said though, it's definitely a different market now, there was no Android back then.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

My point was 4G doesn't exist. You're taking the least important part of my last post and quoting it. Besides, 90-180 Kbps is nowhere NEAR broadband cable speeds. 50Kbps is the tops of dial-up. 1.5 Mbps compares to most Broadband/DSL connections and those numbers are WAY higher today. Calling HSPA+ "barely 3G" was a figure of speech to prove that it is incredibly slower than LTE, both of which are not even on the same speed chart as LTE-A.

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I want LTE as much as the next person, but Apple will be overly successful either way. They didn't adopt 3G at first....that said though, it's definitely a different market now, there was no Android back then.

Thats why I stated that real world speeds prevent Edge from being considered a 3G source. And thats also why LTE means Long Term Evolution. As technology improves so does the speed.

 

[mikelegacy]

Thats why I stated that real world speeds prevent Edge from being considered a 3G source. And thats also why LTE means Long Term Evolution. As technology improves so does the speed.

I feel like you are taking this personally. My original post wasn't to bash you or tell you that you were wrong. I just think that the carriers feed enough lies about 4G to people, so I try and set the word straight here. That's all.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

I feel like you are taking this personally. My original post wasn't to bash you or tell you that you were wrong. I just think that the carriers feed enough lies about 4G to people, so I try and set the word straight here. That's all.

I felt like you were taking this personally!
All feelings aside the two carriers lying through their teeth about 4G would be T-Mobile and Sprint. T-Mobile has no plans for LTE and Sprints WiMax is just the CDMA equivalent of HSPA+.

 

[mikelegacy]

I felt like you were taking this personally!
All feelings aside the two carriers lying through their teeth about 4G would be T-Mobile and Sprint. T-Mobile has no plans for LTE and Sprints WiMax is just the CDMA equivalent of HSPA+.

HAHA, no man. I don't take anything personally on this site. Nothing about the iPhone at least. Some people post political stuff and that gets me riled sometimes haha.

Mere case of there being no tone of voice on the internet, and words being interpreted in the wrong way

But anyways, yes, WiMax is terrible and TMobile is planning on running the HSPA+ network I believe. If ATT truly has LTE plans, then I don't know why they would want to buy TMobile, who has no LTE towers. Their original plans to buy them was to expand their "4G" coverage if im not mistaken.

 

[mpossoff]

Verizon does offer unlimited LTE. If you had unlimited 3G for $30 they allowed all customers to migrate over to unlimited LTE for the same $30.

They don't offer unltd LTE anymore. My point is AT&T doesn't have LTE to offer 3G users to migrate over to unltd LTE.

My point is since VZW doesn't offer unltd LTE anymore there's no leveredge for existing unltd 3G customers.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

HAHA, no man. I don't take anything personally on this site. Nothing about the iPhone at least. Some people post political stuff and that gets me riled sometimes haha.

Mere case of there being no tone of voice on the internet, and words being interpreted in the wrong way

But anyways, yes, WiMax is terrible and TMobile is planning on running the HSPA+ network I believe. If ATT truly has LTE plans, then I don't know why they would want to buy TMobile, who has no LTE towers. Their original plans to buy them was to expand their "4G" coverage if im not mistaken.

AT&T wants their spectrum and towers. It's a lot less time consuming just to upgrade existing towers rather then have to build them which in some states could take years for approval. I'm more fortunate thanks to the addition of a cell tower not a mile away from my house. It just sat there for a few weeks and I wondered if AT&T was actually using it. Turns out they are broadcasting LTE on it with added plans of boosting the 3G service of my area from 3 bars to full. Not a bad deal at all.

 

[mikelegacy]

AT&T wants their spectrum and towers. It's a lot less time consuming just to upgrade existing towers rather then have to build them which in some states could take years for approval. I'm more fortunate thanks to the addition of a cell tower not a mile away from my house. It just sat there for a few weeks and I wondered if AT&T was actually using it. Turns out they are broadcasting LTE on it with added plans of boosting the 3G service of my area from 3 bars to full. Not a bad deal at all.

Honestly i'm pretty lucky too. I live in Butler, Pennsylvania about 40 minutes outside of Pittsburgh. It's a semi-small county (probably 150,000 pop.) and we always seem to get the new cell tech pretty early. The word is that we are getting LTE by the end of this year.

 

[Bkfraiders7]

lol...just because Apple doesnt want to adopt it it's clearly the wrong path for technology

Personally, I think Apple would be pretty dumb to not include LTE. Most phones are coming out with it now it seems. Heaven forbid apple should make something future proof...well here's to hoping the iP5 delivers!

Your putting words in my mouth. When the technology is right (IE the battery tech and power consumption of the chip to be exact) then yes Apple should implement it. I never said 4G was the wrong path, in fact my post consisted of 12 words not even dealing with if Apple should put it in or not. Just that the battery tech isn't ready yet for their standards. So next time you quote me, at least understand what I'm saying first.

 

[mpossoff]

AT&T wants their spectrum and towers. It's a lot less time consuming just to upgrade existing towers rather then have to build them which in some states could take years for approval. I'm more fortunate thanks to the addition of a cell tower not a mile away from my house. It just sat there for a few weeks and I wondered if AT&T was actually using it. Turns out they are broadcasting LTE on it with added plans of boosting the 3G service of my area from 3 bars to full. Not a bad deal at all.

I'm not sure if it's iPhone specific but I get good 3G speeds on my iPhone, 2.5-3 down 2 up. It seems this upgrade of speeds happened in the last 6 months.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

I'm not sure if it's iPhone specific but I get good 3G speeds on my iPhone, 2.5-3 down 2 up. It seems this upgrade of speeds happened in the last 6 months.

That's good 3G speeds. In town I get 3.25Mbps/4.25Mbps down and nearly 2Mbps up. Whats crazy is back in early 2009 my entire area had NO 3G signal and only two bars of Edge. Towers must have been going up all around my area and now finally after the three year wait a local tower is finally added.

 

[mpossoff]

That's good 3G speeds. In town I get 3.25Mbps/4.25Mbps down and nearly 2Mbps up. Whats crazy is back in early 2009 my entire area had NO 3G signal and only two bars of Edge. Towers must have been going up all around my area and now finally after the three year wait a local tower is finally added.

Wow that's neat, going from nothing to something good!

AT&T has definitely built and enhanced their network.

I'm wondering if it's iPhone specific? HSPA+?

In reality I think AT&T has a potentially better network than VZW as an example but has taken them a while to get the ball rolling. It's not like they don't have the money.

 

[james92se]

That's good 3G speeds. In town I get 3.25Mbps/4.25Mbps down and nearly 2Mbps up. Whats crazy is back in early 2009 my entire area had NO 3G signal and only two bars of Edge. Towers must have been going up all around my area and now finally after the three year wait a local tower is finally added.

What area of Texas are you in?

I've always gotten pretty good 3G speeds in/around Dallas. I guess I've been kind of spoiled and from my personal experience don't understand all of the AT&T hate around the nation

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

What area of Texas are you in?

I've always gotten pretty good 3G speeds in/around Dallas. I guess I've been kind of spoiled and from my personal experience don't understand all of the AT&T hate around the nation

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In the middle of Dallas and Fort-worth. I guess now I'm finally getting the best of both worlds.

 

[spikefood]

Correction. They DONT offer it and haven't been for over a year. I just got grandfathered in. And tons of people have upgraded to phones such as the Atrix or the Infuse and kept their unlimited plans.

ATT will not allow you to keep unlimited data with LTE. You have unlimited 3g, not LTE. I have the unlimited data also and make due with 3g. It's plenty fast enough for a phone. Technology needs to advance more before it becomes a viable option. Low coverage and bad battery life to name a few issues. Give it 2-3 years and LTE will be a fantastic option. Until then, I'll stick with my unlimited 3g, simply because LTE is going to cost and arm and a leg.

 

[mpossoff]

ATT will not allow you to keep unlimited data with LTE. You have unlimited 3g, not LTE. I have the unlimited data also and make due with 3g. It's plenty fast enough for a phone. Technology needs to advance more before it becomes a viable option. Low coverage and bad battery life to name a few issues. Give it 2-3 years and LTE will be a fantastic option. Until then, I'll stick with my unlimited 3g, simply because LTE is going to cost and arm and a leg.

VZW offered it to existing unltd 3G customers but....

 

[spikefood]

VZW offered it to existing unltd 3G customers but....

Yes, but the range of options for a 4g phone is low. If the iPhone got 4g, then it would be wanted by millions of people. Att and verizion wouldn't pass up on that sort of money.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

Yes, but the range of options for a 4g phone is low. If the iPhone got 4g, then it would be wanted by millions of people. Att and verizion wouldn't pass up on that sort of money.

Well Verizon has a good half dozen if not more smartphones that are LTE capable. To bad all AT&T has is two LTE modems.

 

[Jamie0003]

For the very first time since the iPhone was introduced, I too am going to skip a generation and pass on the iP5. In my case for a few reasons. It's a very big disappointment but Apple gives me no choice. All indicators suggest the display will still be less than a 16:9 aspect ratio. A poor move considering Apples focus on fun entertaining devices.

Also I'm put off at the thought of them making it thinner instead of significantly increasing battery life if they left it the same as now. Apples addiction to making it very thin & dainty in it's dimensions appeals to the ladies, but not to me. Now after a couple of years using Androids concurrently, I'm spoiled by their spacious displays of true widescreen size.

I'm counting on the A6 project & hybrid iOS to deliver a truly significant improvement. Also after an additional year perhaps Apple will decide to put a modern display in it. Apple can be slow to adapt if they can't brag they invented the idea.

Why are you basing this based on RUMOURS? Wait for apple to announce the phone before saying this stuff...

 

[mpossoff]

Yes, but the range of options for a 4g phone is low. If the iPhone got 4g, then it would be wanted by millions of people. Att and verizion wouldn't pass up on that sort of money.

The point is VZW offered unltd LTE data whether the range for LTE phones is low or not. An unltd LTE customer most likely will be able to get unltd LTE on the iPhone.

Where as it's questionable whether or not an unltd AT&T data customer will be able to get unltd LTE iPhone data.... Is my point.

I'm only concerned about the iPhone and my data plan. Currently I'm grandfathered with unltd data on all our 4 lines. Where as if I jumped ship to VZW iPhone a better bet to get unltd LTE iPhone data when it becomes available.

Here's a scenario... Will a VZW customer that has unltd iPhone data be able to get unltd LTE iPhone data when it becomes available? Will a VZW customer that has a LTE device with unltd LTE data be able to get unltd LTE iPhone data when it becomes available?

 

[eastercat]

met·a·phor Noun /ˈmetəˌfôr/
1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

oh, i almost forgot...

I live in a state where people think the US found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So what am I supposed to think?

In the middle of Dallas and Fort-worth. I guess now I'm finally getting the best of both worlds.

Do you live in B-E-H? I'm in east Dallas and get 169ms, 4.68Mbps down, 0.66Mbps up.

 

[Hankster]

Until they make a cell phone that can utilize LTE while lasting at least one full day without charging, LTE will continue to be less utilized.