iPhone SE This totally sucks. How do we convince Apple to keep making a 4" phone?

dan98

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I love the iphone SE.
The battery life is amazing, it's so easy to use and to hold, it's super fast, the screen size is perfect, it looks cute and it just works. It even has a headphone jack.

There's absolutely nothing more appealing / practical or useful about having a larger screen than 4 inches for a smartphone.
I don't want or need some kind of tablet device bulging out of my pocket, I just want this. Totally efficient and functional.

This is the perfect iphone and Apple just killed it.

[IMO, Rant Over etc..]
 

dan98

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just gotta evolve and adapt with the rest of the world. It sucks for some people but in the end there are worse things in the world to worry about.
Yes but this is a forum to discuss the iphone, not all the other things to worry about in the world. (There are other forums for that).

As long as it's not profitable they won't make it... The trend now is XL phones.
Can it really be less profitable than the ridiculous iWatch? I guess we don't have the figures.
 

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I love the iphone SE.
The battery life is amazing, it's so easy to use and to hold, it's super fast, the screen size is perfect, it looks cute and it just works. It even has a headphone jack.

There's absolutely nothing more appealing / practical or useful about having a larger screen than 4 inches for a smartphone.
I don't want or need some kind of tablet device bulging out of my pocket, I just want this. Totally efficient and functional.

This is the perfect iphone and Apple just killed it.

[IMO, Rant Over etc..]
Apple discontinuing the SE says everything you need to know. There is no longer a future likely with a 4 inch iPhone based off their viewpoints, and if it’s not making them enough money, then they’re not going to continue manufacturing it. If it was, that would be a totally different situation. Could Apple ever release a revamped iPhone SE in the future? Yes, but it won’t be anything like what it used to be.
 
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TJ82

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Wish they'd stop calling it an i'Phone'.

The phone part is becoming increasingly irrelevant for a lot of people. I use the call function on the device a couple of times a week at best, and would rather not have to use it at all. It's noisy, not private, and the person on the other end of the line has to be available right at that very moment.

Quite old fashioned.
 
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I love the iphone SE.
The battery life is amazing, it's so easy to use and to hold, it's super fast, the screen size is perfect, it looks cute and it just works. It even has a headphone jack.

There's absolutely nothing more appealing / practical or useful about having a larger screen than 4 inches for a smartphone.
I don't want or need some kind of tablet device bulging out of my pocket, I just want this. Totally efficient and functional.

This is the perfect iphone and Apple just killed it.

[IMO, Rant Over etc..]
Even that is too much for me.....

I have a basic $25 Nokia that I bought seven or eight years ago, but seldom carry. Goes a week or two on a charge. $40, prepaid is good for a year or so. I got it because there is no phone line to the apartment building I live in.

I have, however, had good internet access to my desktop computer since they installed fibre in the neighbourhood about four years ago. Not all tenants were happy about paying an extra $4 a month for wifi, so I had fibre installed to my room, with the landlord's blessing. I pay annually, about $200.

When I leave my desk I am off-line, which is the way I like things to be.
 

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Even that is too much for me.....

I have a basic $25 Nokia that I bought seven or eight years ago, but seldom carry. Goes a week or two on a charge. $40, prepaid is good for a year or so. I got it because there is no phone line to the apartment building I live in.

I have, however, had good internet access to my desktop computer since they installed fibre in the neighbourhood about four years ago. Not all tenants were happy about paying an extra $4 a month for wifi, so I had fibre installed to my room, with the landlord's blessing. I pay annually, about $200.

When I leave my desk I am off-line, which is the way I like things to be.
That makes perfect sense considering where you are from.

ps. I'd love to go visit your tribe but i'd probably wipe them out with the common cold virus or something
 

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I love the iphone SE.
The battery life is amazing, it's so easy to use and to hold, it's super fast, the screen size is perfect, it looks cute and it just works. It even has a headphone jack.

There's absolutely nothing more appealing / practical or useful about having a larger screen than 4 inches for a smartphone.
I don't want or need some kind of tablet device bulging out of my pocket, I just want this. Totally efficient and functional.

This is the perfect iphone and Apple just killed it.

[IMO, Rant Over etc..]
Speak for yourself about nothing more appealing, practical, or more useful. And who’s we? I don’t need to convince Apple on nothing let alone a useless 4 inch iPhone.
 

dan98

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Speak for yourself about nothing more appealing, practical, or more useful. And who’s we? I don’t need to convince Apple on nothing let alone a useless 4 inch iPhone.
Read again, and notice the IMO at the end. That means In My Opinion.

"We" refers to the iphone SE sub-forum, obviously not You.

"Useless"....how exactly is an iphone SE less useful than an iphone phablet? I'm looking for real world examples.
 

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Yes but this is a forum to discuss the iphone, not all the other things to worry about in the world. (There are other forums for that).



Can it really be less profitable than the ridiculous iWatch? I guess we don't have the figures.
the "Apple Watch" has a HUGE need for the world. Wearable technology can be huge for health and fitness and saving peoples lives. Its the biggest thing apple has done really... after the iPhone.
Yes, but this is a forum of people that can tell you to worry about other things in life. Im a huge techy and love all of this stuff but ive learned how to adapt with technology as ive gotten older. Move on with your life embrace new technology dont push it away.
It sucks that some people prefer smaller phones and there should be options but for now in this todays market the need and Money is in large phones that have more use.
Small phones are great for little things here and there but a larger screen makes it more enjoyable for a lot more things.
People love large phones while doing cardio in the gym. I used to bring my lpad when I did cardio just for the larger screen. People love large phones while sitting at the doctors wait area or for their car to be finished being worked on. Or playing video games a larger screen is more enjoyable. All while being pocketable of course apple is pushing the size up and up because as long as it fits in your pocket and is ok to hold I dont see the trend stopping. 6.5 is about the max I think I dont see going too much higher but with foldable phones being talked about I dont see why people cant have tablet sized phones that fit into your hand for normal use.
2016 was indication to apple people wanted large phones for more uses. They know and watch trends in the market(androids started on the bigger phones and apple saw the interest to it) and right now the small phone market is turning out to be a small portion of the population.
when the industry settles and technology ages a little bit there will be more options for smaller phones I believe. But right now its for maximum profit and the majority of the population.
 

dan98

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the "Apple Watch" has a HUGE need for the world. Wearable technology can be huge for health and fitness and saving peoples lives. Its the biggest thing apple has done really... after the iPhone.
Yes, but this is a forum of people that can tell you to worry about other things in life. Im a huge techy and love all of this stuff but ive learned how to adapt with technology as ive gotten older. Move on with your life embrace new technology dont push it away.
It sucks that some people prefer smaller phones and there should be options but for now in this todays market the need and Money is in large phones that have more use.
Small phones are great for little things here and there but a larger screen makes it more enjoyable for a lot more things.
People love large phones while doing cardio in the gym. I used to bring my lpad when I did cardio just for the larger screen. People love large phones while sitting at the doctors wait area or for their car to be finished being worked on. Or playing video games a larger screen is more enjoyable. All while being pocketable of course apple is pushing the size up and up because as long as it fits in your pocket and is ok to hold I dont see the trend stopping. 6.5 is about the max I think I dont see going too much higher but with foldable phones being talked about I dont see why people cant have tablet sized phones that fit into your hand for normal use.
2016 was indication to apple people wanted large phones for more uses. They know and watch trends in the market(androids started on the bigger phones and apple saw the interest to it) and right now the small phone market is turning out to be a small portion of the population.
when the industry settles and technology ages a little bit there will be more options for smaller phones I believe. But right now its for maximum profit and the majority of the population.
I agree with you that many people love to gaze at a big screen whenever they are bored / waiting / want to play games etc.
I see it every day - as the phones get bigger, people are more and more immersed wherever they go. It seems to be addictive and entertaining to many people, but it's just not for me.
I want pure functionality from a smartphone, with all the incredible benefits that it can offer, but not to get immersed in some other world.
I only speak for myself, and those others who want this kind of phone, not criticising anybody else who wants whatever they want.
 

peejay1977

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Supply and demand, sure theres plenty of people ranting over this subject, but I imagine it's minuscule compared to those wanting the larger phones.

You can't please all of the people all of the time as they say.

My missus is 4ft7 and has tiny hands and her 6S is perfect for her, she never complains about the size of it in her hand (giggity).

But each to their own.
 

x-evil-x

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I agree with you that many people love to gaze at a big screen whenever they are bored / waiting / want to play games etc.
I see it every day - as the phones get bigger, people are more and more immersed wherever they go. It seems to be addictive and entertaining to many people, but it's just not for me.
I want pure functionality from a smartphone, with all the incredible benefits that it can offer, but not to get immersed in some other world.
I only speak for myself, and those others who want this kind of phone, not criticising anybody else who wants whatever they want.
well it sucks that you want something that apple knows isnt as profitable or a lot of other companies.
Id just hold onto an SE maybe even buy a back up for when that one breaks until we get more options in the future.
I dont think apple is abandoning them completely its just the time being.
2020 im sure there will be a very small full screen phone similar in size to the SE. But for now just gotta ride it out.
 

profets

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I love the iphone SE.
The battery life is amazing, it's so easy to use and to hold, it's super fast, the screen size is perfect, it looks cute and it just works. It even has a headphone jack.

There's absolutely nothing more appealing / practical or useful about having a larger screen than 4 inches for a smartphone.
I don't want or need some kind of tablet device bulging out of my pocket, I just want this. Totally efficient and functional.

This is the perfect iphone and Apple just killed it.

[IMO, Rant Over etc..]
It’s unfortunate for those who preferred that size phone, but clearly sales showed (even with it being the lowest cost option) that it’s not the phone the market wants.

You mention about not wanting or needing some kind of tablet device bulging out of pocket, just something efficient and functional. Honestly - I’ve always felt that way about the 4.7” and now the X/S size. They don’t feel massive, they’re very pocketable, can be used with one hand and feel like a purposeful device compared to the larger phones.
 

profets

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In fairness you mention there’s nothing more appealing about having a larger screen. Nothing wrong with preferring the 4” screen size. But there’s a lot that can be appealing about a larger screen - camera / photos / editing, watching video, reading, browsing, etc. Even if you prefer the the SE size, its hard to argue, regardless of opinion, that a larger screen would be nicer for watching video or reading a book for example.

Heck, I’ve used smaller iPhones when the Plus’s were available, and I could totally see the appeal for a larger screen and how it could be beneficial.
 
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It’s unfortunate for those who preferred that size phone, but clearly sales showed (even with it being the lowest cost option) that it’s not the phone the market wants.

You mention about not wanting or needing some kind of tablet device bulging out of pocket, just something efficient and functional. Honestly - I’ve always felt that way about the 4.7” and now the X/S size. They don’t feel massive, they’re very pocketable, can be used with one hand and feel l'ike a purposeful device compared to the larger phones.
I very much feel the X is the perfect size which 4" phone owners can learn to love its not overly huge. I went to it from an X and it just isnt noticeable like the plus size phones. There is limitations and irritations of the plus size phones and the X is right on that edge of being annoying.
I went for the x max because I want that width and im ok with dealing with some negative things like holding it and using it with one hand to get the benefits of a big screen without feeling worse than my + phones did.
 

profets

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What’s the point of your thread then. Just to rant and hope other nod along?

Anyway, I think your best hope is that in the coming year Apple add an iPhone ‘XE’ of sorts tot the lineup. Smaller version of the XR but physically closer in size to the SE. That would be cool.
 

dan98

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What’s the point of your thread then. Just to rant and hope other nod along?

Anyway, I think your best hope is that in the coming year Apple add an iPhone ‘XE’ of sorts tot the lineup. Smaller version of the XR but physically closer in size to the SE. That would be cool.
Point of thread - please see title.

I sincerely hope you're right about that.
 

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How do you convince Apple to keep making a 4" iPhone? By convincing the market in Asia to buy 4" phones. But they don't. They prefer larger screens, thus the success of Galaxy Note, and later, iPhone Plus. This market is the growth market, thus their demand is what Apple would generally follow (gold color, larger screen, dual SIM, etc).

Heck, look at Android phones. Even their cheap $100 phones have at least 5" screen or larger.

I kinda regret that I didn't buy the SE as I thought Apple would keep it in the lineup this year (or at least update it). But they didn't. Was hoping to trade in my old iPhone 5 for the SE.
 

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I have an iPhone SE, and I love it too!

The thing is, I don’t find the iPhone 7/8 to be much bigger. In fact, it’s 95% as comfortable to use one-handed, which I do all the time (unless I type, like right now).

If you’re after a small phone, the iPhone 8 may be it, and it’s not a bad alternative. The only reason i chose an SE over the 7 was because the SE was even better one-handed, and because the 7 wasn’t any more practical than the SE. Both the size of the screen, the resolution, and the “canvas size” used to make apps, meant that the 7/8 didn’t show much more on screen, so what’s the point?

The iPhone 7+/8+ are a different story. They’re bigger in a meaningful way. They just aren’t usable one-handed. I mean, you pretty much need to use it 2-handed most of the time, and the Xs Max is going to be even worse because the screen goes both higher up and lower down on the phone body.

If you need to, get an iPhone 8. Otherwise, the Xs isn’t much bigger than the 8. It’s much bigger than the SE, but still manageable, and offers enough of an advantage in other areas that you may enjoy its shortcomings.

Just FYI, but my next phone may be an XR! I love my SE, so it’s a weird thing to say, but if I’m going to buy a phone that’s too big for comfy one-handed use, it may as well offer a clear advantage for 2-handed use. The XS Max is too far.
 
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