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Originally posted by agreenster
No, you arent paying attention--the computer they are selling (and are claiming to have made) is actually made by another company. It'd be like Apple having a Sony Vaio on their website claiming to have made it.

It is possible that they are a company that modifies existing hardware (ie, overclocking, upgrading Video Cards, etc) but they dont actually make any of this hardware.
Apple doesn't make anything themselves. G3 is IBM, G4 is Motorola, G5 is IBM, firewire chipset is Intel, etc etc etc. Sony and IBM make their own stuff (using Intel's and AMD's proc and chipset).

l is selling generic PC's and putting their name on them. No different than AlienWare for that matter. There is a growing boutique PC industry, offering "custom" solutions, based on generic machines that have been modified per that boutique's ideals.

As for Miguel Liebermann:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...hicas.html+"miguel+liebermann"&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

There was a person by the same name with a eudora email adress back in the day (1996-ish)...
 
Originally posted by iPC
Apple doesn't make anything themselves. G3 is IBM, G4 is Motorola, G5 is IBM, firewire chipset is Intel, etc etc etc. Sony and IBM make their own stuff (using Intel's and AMD's proc and chipset).
what? don't be an ass. we aren't talking about processors for one thing, and YES, apple makes firewire chipsets, or designs them and pays others to make them. this is actually a reason why INTEL wouldn't even touch firewire for a long time. i doubt they actually make the chipsets for their own motherboards.

but this is about laptops that are really made by other companies and branded by a bigger one. dell does this a lot, as do most other PC manufaturers.
 
Originally posted by Zaid

btw what the hell is this PuRam stuff?


It’s where the OS itself resides in a solid state drive. (Think CF and SD cards used in digi cameras but MUCH faster.)
I REALLY want to see benchmarks on one of these systems if this is real. By loading the OS into RAM and a SS drive....heck there goes your biggest bottle neck: the hard drive. I can honestly believe that one of these system can blow a G5 out of the water. Not because the CPU is more powerful then a G5 but because all of the other system components are. The system bus is fairly equal to the G5’s SB. Just a tad under. I’m betting the SS drive easily makes up for this deficiency.

Much of the tech is explained here:
http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl35/architecture/index.htm

The question is: Is this real. Until I see someone purchase a unit I'm going to be HIGHLY skeptical. And frankly the price of these systems are so ridiculously high that only someone with massive $$$$ can afford one. I priced out a desktop last night. It was around $7500 on the high end and $4000 on the low end for the 3.8Ghz and $3000 and $6500 for the 3.5Ghz systems. Insane. If a Wintel person comes around pointing at these systems I would point at the price. They are well out of range for, as apple puts it "The rest of us" and unless the winite is willing to put his money where his.......er.....fingers are it’s a moot point.
 
I'd be too afraid to buy something from them. The webpage is full of errors and I have never seen so many spelling and grammar errors on a corporate website. If I had the $7500 to make the ultimate PC, I'd stick with someone more reputable that I could trust like Alienware and make a sweet maxed out gaming rig with massive LCD or plasma monitor and speakers so loud they can "blast the cloths off a girl".
 
Now, let's try and be fair in both directions here.

As shadowfax said, iPC is wrong; Apple makes lots of things themselves. No, they don't necessarily manufacture or even design individual components, but the PowerBooks, iBooks, and every other computer they make are NOT just rebranded OEM parts; they design everything then outsource the manufacturing. The processors, hard drives, LCDs, and some internal chips of those computers are just parts off a shelf somewhere, but the motherboard and overall design is Apple-only, and Apple does sometimes use custom chips as well.

Same for the iPod; sure the OS, processor, and hard drive are available elsewhere, but if it were an OEM rebranded product you'd be able to buy an identical MP3 player without an Apple logo on it for $50 less from another company... which you can't. Not so for actuall OEM rebrands, like most of Dell's monitors or Gateway's consumer products--they just take a piece of OEM hardware and slap their logo on it.

That doesn't mean that OEM rebranding is a terrible thing; that's basically what Gateway's trying to do with their entire business these days, and Dell frequently if not always does the same thing.

And I think it's been established that if you read closely and ignore the positively massive number of randomly-generated buzzwords, l's products are technically feasable.

What, basically, they seem to be selling is every PC speedfreak's dream machines--every possible overclock and high-end hardware add-on in the book. And the prices are right in line with that (you could do a heckuva lot with a G5 for that much cash, too). Sort of like Alienware taken to the next level, which is kind of a fun idea, although I have my doubts many people are going to drop that kind of cash for that sort of system instead of just going with a loaded Dell Workstation or build-it-yourself.

HOWEVER... just because it's ok and possible doesn't guarantee this company is for real (though that's a heckuva lot of work for fun), and even if they are it still doesn't mean that they're not a bit on the shady side.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're a legit company with legit products, I still wouldn't buy anything from them because: a) Their site feels "shaky", particularly the online store; if I were to buy something I'd call it in since the cart doesn't feel right. b) Hiding simple overclocking behind a bunch of made-up jargon seems a bit iffy. c) It's such an obvious Apple copycat that it personally annoys me. d) They go a little too overboard with their techy terms. "Accelerated Hyper-Threading Extreme Edition" when "Overclocked P4 with Hyper Threading" would've done. e) Implying your computer has 16GB of RAM when it really only has 4GB and a 12GB RAM drive (which is wildly different) is rather dishonest, and there are other things like that scattered around.

The whole thing strikes me as the hardware equivalent of BuyMusic.com--A company tries to copy the look and functionality of an Apple product, and if you read superficially it looks like a better deal, but once you look more closely although they aren't technically lying it's just not the Real Thing(tm).
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'd be too afraid to buy something from them. The webpage is full of errors and I have never seen so many spelling and grammar errors on a corporate website. If I had the $7500 to make the ultimate PC, I'd stick with someone more reputable that I could trust like Alienware and make a sweet maxed out gaming rig with massive LCD or plasma monitor and speakers so loud they can "blast the cloths off a girl".

Alienware is so damned expensive though.

The main reason to get a PC IMO is because they are cheap. Alienware comps are definitely not cheap, and most of the cases are corny looking too.

scem0
 
i can't find anything else about this company on the internet other then whats on the website.

Not one shread of information about the founder Miguel Liebermann anywhere on the internet.

Has anybody heard anything about this company.

If they are legit, seem's strange that a company with such high growth potential, and such state of the art equipment is no-where to be found both in tech news, or public stock trading.

i sent them an emal saying that as a mac user i really like the site, and i thought it was entertaining.

they sent me a very nice email back, if anyone wants to read it, let me know and i will post it

Although a response to the first email took only a few hours to recieve a reply, I have sent another email, asking about specific investement information, as far as public stock exchanges, private investing, ect, and i havn't recieved anything yet. It has only been about a day, but if i don't get some sort of response in a the next two days, i feel something is foul.
 
Originally posted by revenuee
i sent them an email saying that as a mac user i really like the site, and i thought it was entertaining.

they sent me a very nice email back, if anyone wants to read it, let me know and i will post it

I would be interested in reading it :)

-Zach
 
Well here is the email.

Thank you for your kind words. We have been working very hard to make this happen and are completely at awe, with everyone's usually energetically positive response.

However, our hat goes off to you.

Thats' because you are among the few Mac users appreciate another company's efforts without finger-pointing we are trying to clone Apple and copy their products. We are swamped with harsh emails from Mac users, incapable of simply saying anything good about us what so ever, afraid, we guess, that, god forbid, a Windows PC maker, actually managed to be a bit over the average of the horrendous websites that typically plague the Windows world.

About 40% of our staff here at L are Mac people and use Macs. We personally have 12 iMacs, four G4s and two G5s, and no one here has any doubts that the Macs are the world's most spectacular computers and that OSX, makes Windows look pre-historic. We hope one day to be able to produce computer products half as good and well-built as the Macs are.

So every message like yours make a difference to all of us. It means our efforts can be appreciated by the people that do it best in the industry.

Thanks again.

Julie Able
Sales Coordinator
Liebermann Inc.
A California Corporation
www.go-l.com <http://www.go-l.com/>
 
hm...at least they're good sport. either that or they're trying to gain more of your sympathy. ;) let's hope the former, becasue it's nice to actually a pc maker admiring apple's ways. :)




or the third option is they're fake and would say anything to please anyone..
 
why would a company that makes such state of the art machines have that many macs... wierd
 
Originally posted by dcb
But...a reputable company (maccentral, macminute, etc) pretty much verifies all press releases. That is the first lesson in journalism...verify, verify, verify!

And I just want to note...I could care less whether they are real or not. It would be a heck of a spoof though, and I don't rule out that possibility. BUT, I am not going to immediately dismiss them simply because I don't like the idea of them ripping off Apple's website.

I am sorry, but this doesn't seem like a spoof, this IS A SCAM SITE! they are using two things to pull the woll over peoples eyes: Apple like flash and unbelievable specs. They will be in the news in a matter if months or a year about how many people sent them credit card info to buy a "computer" that might never show up, and if it does it will be a piece of crap they bought someplace and sent you the buyer that in no way lives up to the specs. If you keep up on internet business there have been scams exactly like this in almost every business sector. I was just reading about how many children's stores there are on line that are scams. They operate for months before they are shut down and they are usually run off shore. Just because they have a somewhat nice website, they answer their e-mail and phone, doesn't mean they really sell computers, or at least the computers they advertise.

Buyer beware...if it sounds too good (or cool) to be true, it most likely is!

Johnny
 
It does seem pretty damn too good to be true...my God, can you imagine the kind of performance these things would have? Seriously, these would be the ultimate performance demons in the PC world. Not to mention those desktop cases look insanely awesome for a gaming rig.
 
why do you think this site is too good to be true? they are not selling anything that is fake. they are not claiming to give anything away for free.

why do you think a picture of a girl at a desk is so incredible? it is a small company that has built it's own web site. that is why there are errors. they do not link to graphics on Alienware's website; it appears that they are try to link to a graphic on the web master's windows desktop. for a small company, even though they are using a packaged merchant suite for their site, putting a site like this together would take at least a few weeks.

why is it so unbelievable that the domain name for the company was registered by someone that wasn't the CEO? people are tracking down this girl and are about to start stalking her because she signed up for a domain...way to go, Sherlock(s).

why do you people get so defensive?
 
I say that everybody here email them and ask them basically if they are for real or not, since their design looks just like Apple's.

I think this would be pretty funny if we could get a huge quantity of email sent to them.
 
Does anyone have a link to Intel's website where the Extreme Edition is covered? talked about? even just mentioned?

I'm not being sarcastic. I just can't find it.

If this P4 extreme edition does exists I'm curious to read about it.


Thanks


This whole Go-L.com thing has been kind of exciting and funny....whether it's true or not....
 
Well I have a good feeling just like many people this company and website are fake.

But either way, I have to give them recognition.

..if it's fake...then wow...pretty creative...must have took a lot of time....and it's sure fooled a few websites I respect....


...if it's real...then really wow...some very impressive systems.....


can't wait to see how it turns out.....
 
Originally posted by rebelberg21


If this P4 extreme edition does exists I'm curious to read about it.


I remembered seeing something about it on Slashdot the other day. Anyway here is the link to the slashdot story.
 
I know someone that runs a rather influential Pocket PC site. They are going to be contacting the a few people they know at maximumPC (A PC gaming PC mag.) and see if they can get further info on this site/company. I REALLY want to see benchmarks on one of these desktops.
 
Originally posted by TEG
... But I have found some problems, first the P4HT does not have and extreme edition, I work just blocks from Intel, and I have several friends at Intel and they say this is all BS. Also, they have said that No P4 can break the 4GB barrier, thats for the P5 or the Itanium, which ever they decide to release to the Public. Also... NO BATTERY TIMES. The Laptops don't even hint at battery times, which means that its like 1/2 that of Alienware Laptops (Which are at 45min). ...

The Itanium can break the 4GB barrier. Intel's own server platform supports up to 32GB:

http://www.intel.com/design/servers...bn4/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr+srvrplat_sr870bn4&

32-bit processors, such as the P3 Xeon 500 (I have a few of these) support 16GB of RAM through an instruction set in the processor called Physical Address Extension (PAE).

The P4 Extreme is the P4 3.2Ghz chip (some of the reviews of this proc are on the net):

http://processorfinder.intel.com/sc...cFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL

As for battery time, just because they don't specify the time doesn't mean it's half of Alienware. Do you have some concrete information to back this?
 
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