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Guys need some help. Reading some of the threads in this forum i see the 15" base model i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X runs quiter and cooler than an mid model i7 2.6 /16GB /512/560X. My new i7 2.6 /16GB /512/560X runs really hot/disk spining if i do little lightroom work. I'm a first time macbook owner. Should I exchange it for the base 15" i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X? The only dis-advantage i see is with the base model 256GB SSD. Can we manage with the 256GB storage with an external SSD drive if you are an photo hobbyist ? Pls let me your thoughts.

Thanks for your time.
 
Guys need some help. Reading some of the threads in this forum i see the 15" base model i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X runs quiter and cooler than an mid model i7 2.6 /16GB /512/560X. My new i7 2.6 /16GB /512/560X runs really hot/disk spining if i do little lightroom work. I'm a first time macbook owner. Should I exchange it for the base 15" i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X? The only dis-advantage i see is with the base model 256GB SSD. Can we manage with the 256GB storage with an external SSD drive if you are an photo hobbyist ? Pls let me your thoughts.

Thanks for your time.

Just return it and get the base one with the upgraded 512GB SSD like I did.
 
Nothing except the odd occasion I edit 4K videos...I do play Civ 6 etc. sometimes and I keep wondering how well the 555x will run it as I can’t find any benchmarks for the card whereas there are some for the 560x.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-Pro-560X-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.318630.0.html

560 will help with 4k editing, but if you're not doing this frequently/professionally I wouldn't bother. Civ VI is heavily CPU bound so in this case 555x may be a better choice. The benchmark posted at notebookcheck is not that representative, since it takes only 40 seconds to complete, so it will show larger advantage of 560 than during actual gameplay that takes hours. Plus you can limit the CPU, but you cant do anything about GPU, so you can tweak the CPU power to take full advantage of 555x, I'm not sure there is a lot left when 560x is running at full speed. You've made the right choice, no buyers remorse needed.
 
Just return it and get the base one with the upgraded 512GB SSD like I did.
Thanks for your reply. But the store I got it from Best Buy in the US where they have only two models i listed above. If i need to go for the base model i have only the option to choose the i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X . If i downgrade it to the base model then i would save $400 because the base model is on sale but the only downside of this move is to live with the 256GB SD.
 
Guys need some help. Reading some of the threads in this forum i see the 15" base model i7 2.2 / 16gb / 256gb /555X runs quiter and cooler than an mid model i7 2.6 /16GB /512/560X.

There shouldn't be that much of a difference between 2.6 and 2.2 both in terms of heat and performance. But there will be a substantial difference between 555x and 560x. Maybe try to disable GPU acceleration in Lightroom and repeat what you were doing.
 
Can we manage with the 256GB storage with an external SSD drive if you are an photo hobbyist ? Pls let me your thoughts.

I have the base model (with an upgraded 512GB SSD), my Lightroom catalog and images will be stored on an external drive, because even the 512GB is too small. I opted for the 512, just for future needs, since my music library is kind of big. Anyways, I'm happy with the 550X, but I'm not pushing my machine hard, and I'm more of a hobbyist. I use an Oly M43 camera, and I'm happy with how LR and MBP handle those images.
 
There shouldn't be that much of a difference between 2.6 and 2.2 both in terms of heat and performance. But there will be a substantial difference between 555x and 560x. Maybe try to disable GPU acceleration in Lightroom and repeat what you were doing.

Thanks I will try this Option. Will the 560x make a difference for my use case if we are using it for PhotoShop/Lightroom & FCP. I'm not doing very heaving editing daily as I'm just a photo hobbyist who takes lots of pictures.
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I have the base model (with an upgraded 512GB SSD), my Lightroom catalog and images will be stored on an external drive, because even the 512GB is too small. I opted for the 512, just for future needs, since my music library is kind of big. Anyways, I'm happy with the 550X, but I'm not pushing my machine hard, and I'm more of a hobbyist. I use an Oly M43 camera, and I'm happy with how LR and MBP handle those images.

Yeah i know 512 is nice to have disk space in your MBP. If i go for the 256GB SSD then i have to completely manage my storage using an external SSD like Samsung T5. I shoot lots of RAW files using my Sony A7iii camera. This will be a challenge using on a 256GB SSD.
 
Thanks I will try this Option. Will the 560x make a difference for my use case if we are using it for PhotoShop/Lightroom & FCP. I'm not doing very heaving editing daily as I'm just a photo hobbyist who takes lots of pictures.

I don’t know, but I sure hope you will let us know when you repeat with GPU disabled. There may be a thermal tipping point where any advantage of offloading the work to GPU is eaten away.
 
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Hello all, I know we’re all sort of over the throttling issue with the new MacBook, but I thought I’d contribute my own test results considering I don’t see too many people with my configuration. More data is always better haha. I specifically got the 2.2GHz model, thinking it would be less constrained thermally than the other 2 processor models. I did upgrade the Radeon Pro 555X to a 560X for the prospect of gaming, so that may have contributed some additional heat to these tests as well. I didn’t tinker around with any of the fan controls since the few tests I ran, it performed better in the beginning, but then stabilized to be equal near the end of the rounds.

I also waited a few days after getting my MacBook and finished installing everything to make sure Spotlight wouldn’t be indexing anything while these tests are run. During idle, CPU utilization is under 0.5% which I felt was safe enough to conduct these tests. All tests were run on MacOS.

My MacBook Model:
15-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray
Hardware:

2.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.1GHz
Radeon Pro 560X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory
16GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
512GB SSD storage

My MacBook spends 80% of its time plugged into my single cable setup, so I figure I would run all the tests using that single cable setup. 1 single cable will charge the laptop, power a 4k monitor, power keyboards and mouse, and a cooling fan. It also has a hard shell case on the laptop itself.

There were 6 main rounds of testing, round 1 is unlimited where I didn’t touch any of the power limits so unlimited, round 2 is where I limited it to 50W, round 3 is where I limited to 45W. Rounds 4,5, and 6 are the same except tests are done after the patch is installed. I had considered running the processor at 40W, but at that level, I began to saw performance lost and halted any further testing on limiting it to 40W. The room temperature is 72 F (~22 C) and there was very little moisture in the air.

I waited until the CPU temperature would drop to 47 C before starting the next round to maintain consistency between the rounds.

Rounds 1-3 Testing
It was quickly evident that without any thermal limits, the processor swinged back and forth in frequency and power dramatically. Its probably due to these swings that it ended performing the worse out of the 3. Limiting the processor to 45W proved to be the best before the patch was applied. It reduced temperatures dramatically compared to the other limits, and thus, it was able to maintain a 2.9 GHz speed during the entire testing. It is probably why it could maintain those high 900 values through 15 rounds of back to back testing.

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With those tests out of the way, I then downloaded and installed the patch. The whole process took about 20 minutes.

I then waited for the laptop to cool once again and finish indexing before conducting the next rounds.

Rounds 4-6 Testing
Temperatures spiked up very quickly, but it was no longer ping ponging around from high to low in frequency. Patch was wonderful in what it did for the laptop performance.

There were a few interesting results. On average of 15 runs, limiting power to 45W still returned best result since it maintain very equal scores. Unfortunately, it seems to be doing worse than it was before the patch. For initial spikes in performance, 50W seems to be the sweet spot for performance.

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On The Go Testing
Now that I’ve determined, at least for my laptop when plugged in, that the most optimal performance occurs when it is thermally limited to 45W, I then sought out to determine what performance of the laptop would look like if I thermally limited even further. This scenario would most likely play out when I am on the go using battery power and want to conserve energy. I wanted to compare these values from my previous laptop as well. Optimally, I would want it to be at least 1.5X faster to make the purchase seem worth it and keep it fully usable.

For reference, my previous laptop was:
2017 13-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray
Hardware:

3.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650
16GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 on board memory
512GB SSD storage

It averaged about 330 on Cinebench and for geekbench, would get 4741 single core and 9680 on multicore.

All of these tests were run 3 times consecutively. I don’t imagine I would be doing very heavy work on the go anyway, so 3 tests, I felt, was sufficient to prove my point.

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Looking at these values and comparing how fast my old MacBook was, setting the thermal limit to 25W is optimal for battery life while still retaining the performance I’m used too. I’ve tested the MacBook at this voltage and I easily see 14 hours battery life remaining with medium usage and 75% brightness! Fantastic!
Overall very satisfied with the product.

Could you comment a bit on the corresponding temperatures and CPU frequencies (what frequency do you achieve? can it keep that frequency?) under the load and not just the benchmark results?
Thanks.
 
Hello all, I know we’re all sort of over the throttling issue with the new MacBook, but I thought I’d contribute my own test results considering I don’t see too many people with my configuration.

My MacBook Model:
15-inch MacBook Pro - Space Gray
Hardware:

2.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.1GHz
Radeon Pro 560X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory
16GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
512GB SSD storage

Hi there...

I just wanted to say a big thank you to the OP for starting this thread. I’ve spent the past number of weeks trying to figure out what laptop I wanted to buy and it was driving me crazy. I typically buy laptops so that they last me as long as possible (My current Mid 2012 MBP has lasted me 7-8 years) and I just couldn’t stomach pulling the trigger on a $4,000 best of the best laptop when it’s in a thin case that can’t get the heat out of it and throttles like crazy. I even had multiple i9 Vega 20 laptops in my cart multiple times and I just couldn’t bring myself to pull the trigger and buy it. Something just didn’t feel right and I literally had high anxiety about it which told me something was wrong. Then I went through the whole process again with a 2.6 i7 best of the best and that was still way up there in price. Then I started trimming and trimming to get the price down so that it wouldn’t make myself sick from the anxiety of spending that much on a laptop. This thread and the OP topped the scale for me and I placed my order this morning. I came to the conclusion that if a better one comes out in the next year and a half, I’ll sell this one and upgrade at that point. I just couldn’t wait any longer with a big unknown on when the next good MBP would be released so this is my interim solution.

I ordered a 2018 MBP 15” 2.2 i7 16GB 512GB w/560X this morning. Should have it ready for pickup on Tuesday. I’m pretty excited about it and will be posting some results to add to the knowledge of what these machines can do. I do game a bit when I have time so I think if I was able to game on my mid-2012, I should be able to game on this thing no problem. Thanks again to all who contributed to this thread - it was a great read.

-Allistah
 
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This is what the 8750H CPU is capable of with adequate power/cooling...
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When Apple gets this so will I...

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Nice! Have you done anything special to help get that score? I know some people repaste the heat sinks, some under volt and/or limit power to get better results so I’m curious if you’ve done anything or is that bone stock?
 
Nice! Have you done anything special to help get that score? I know some people repaste the heat sinks, some under volt and/or limit power to get better results so I’m curious if you’ve done anything or is that bone stock?

It's an ASUS ROG GL703GS, under volt is -140mV full W10 1809, rest is stock. Best notebook I've ever owned, it's all about performance and it delivers 100/100. I rerolled it from a gamer to a portable workstation, it fly's CPU can pull and hold up to 70W, bursting up to 90W...

This is the performance level we should expect of the MBP, sadly the MBP has become little more than an expensive Ultrabook hence why so many professional's have dropped the platform...

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I’m also curious if anyone has re-pasted their heat sinks on their MBP 2.2 i7 and if so how much of a difference it has made?
 
I’m also curious if anyone has re-pasted their heat sinks on their MBP 2.2 i7 and if so how much of a difference it has made?
Not worth it, Apple is not as forgiving as Windows gaming laptops manufacturers and will void your warranty. If your MBP is not in line with what other users are posting take it back and get another one.

Initially there were quite a few reports of MBPs overheating / showing reduced performance (like 800,900 Cinebench scores etc after the throttling patch), it was not unusual to see i9 slower than 2.2 i7, but I don't recall anybody complaining about it (I mean cooling, and having an actual, genuine problem with it outside of normal chassis limitations) in the last couple of months. Looks like Apple improved quality control. Or, which is also a possibility, that all the die hard early adopters who tested the crap out of those machines are happy campers right now (either staying with Apple or moving to greener pastures) and more regular users do not notice that they have their cooling system compromised. Anyway, if you'll get suspicious just replace it.
 
Not worth it, Apple is not as forgiving as Windows gaming laptops manufacturers and will void your warranty. If your MBP is not in line with what other users are posting take it back and get another one.

Yeah, I've read most of the threads about the throttling situation and watched all of the videos about it. It was really bad.

I also want to thank you for the good advice. I think you're spot on in regards to recommending to not touch the laptop and if I'm not getting similar results to others to just return it. Thanks for bringing me back into what I should do. I'm completely capable of repasting it, but yeah, I really just don't want to have any issues with Apple if I have to return it.

-Allistah
 
Got my 2.2/16/256/560X Refurb last night. Great experience so far from the unboxing to my first day of use. Been great so far!

I waited until all of the indexing and such has completed to put it under a full load. It appears that this machine settles somewhere around 3.05 GHz. Here is a screenshot of a sustained run.

Thinking about using Volta to undervolt to see what I can get it to do but haven't decided. That program looks like it hasn't been updated in quite a long time. Maybe there is some other, more current method to make some tweaks and improve performance and/or battery life.

Thanks again for the thread, it was my deciding factor to choosing this machine. I'll run all of the benchmarks later and post those in case anyone is interested in current refurb machines.

-Allistah

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