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Thoughts on a 14" MBP? [merged]

Hazmat401 said:
It makes sense... but it also make sense to raise the price of the 14 to help Air stand out better
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What? Have you any idea how expensive the 13" MacBook Pro is here in the UK & Europe? An even higher cost would put them out of reach for many. A few upgrades with RAM, storage & Apple Care puts the current 13" around £2200 which is approx $2900. Crazy.
 
I photoshopped the 13 inch to follow the design cues of the display of the new 16" and compared it to the lineup. See image - this is about what it will look like (looks great - I will be upgrading)

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Nice work, I was hoping someone would do this! Really looking forward to a possible 14-inch, four/six cores and some low end GPU option would be a real dream machine.
 
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I bought a 2019 13" a few months ago and absolutely love the size - 15 inch was always too big to me for a laptop. I am beyond excited for the 14" version of this! With just a bit more screen realestate and a slightly bigger footprint I'm game.
 
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Looks good, but instead of increasing the physical size of the device they should just retain the current 13” screen size but make the laptop smaller IMO.
 
BootLoxes said:
There were rumors of the 14” together with the 16” but they faded away with time as the 16” became more frequent.

i would like a 14” for programming since I do not need the gpu inside the larger models. A size increase with the price being around the same would be the best deal for me
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There are no credible rumors of 14".

Unless it comes from Kuo, Gurman, Nikkei, etc., most rumors are junk. Anybody can Photoshop or spread a rumor, but where did the 14" rumor come from?
 
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JPack said:
There are no credible rumors of 14".

Unless it comes from Kuo, Gurman, Nikkei, etc., most rumors are junk. Anybody can Photoshop or spread a rumor, but where did the 14" rumor come from?
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I dont remember. I read it on this site. It was literally among the first rumors with the 16"
 
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there will be the 14" MBP (but for June-July release, now its too early for real rumors since there are no production for it to be a hint for the important insiders from the mass production)....they will keep the macbook air for the 13" smaller footprint
Nowadays the macbook air is not that thin or light or more compact than the MBP...so this will makes sense
13" Macbook Air 15W 10th gen Intel with wifi6
14" Macbook pro 28W 10th gen Intel with wifi6
16" Macbook pro 45W 9th gen wifi5 (2021 wifi 6)

So for real rumours about the 14" MBP expect them to start around February-march if they want to release it at WWDC
 
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It makes sense they'd give the 28W model the same treatment the 15" got (to help justify the pretty significant price jump that gives you very little currently) so presumably we could have 14 and 16" Pros, both with 4,6 or 8 core CPUs and dedicated graphics, a 13" MacBook Pro with quad core and Iris graphics, and a MacBook Air with dual core and HD graphics.
 
My guess is there will be a 14" MBP. However, it will depend on the reception of the 16". Like 16", the 14" would be heavier and bigger than it's predecessor. The 15" was already bigger so that the change is not as noticeable. But for the smaller unit it might be quite noticeable since the size would closing in on the old 15".
 
fokmik said:
there will be the 14" MBP (but for June-July release, now its too early for real rumors since there are no production for it to be a hint for the important insiders from the mass production)....they will keep the macbook air for the 13" smaller footprint
Nowadays the macbook air is not that thin or light or more compact than the MBP...so this will makes sense
13" Macbook Air 10th gen Intel with wifi6
14" Macbook pro 10th gen Intel with wifi6
16" Macbook pro

So for real rumours about the 14" MBP expect them to start around February-march if they want to release it at WWDC
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We knew about 16-inch back in February.

If there are major changes to the 13-inch form factor, we would be hearing about them now.

Suppliers like LG Display need about a year to spin up new panels and pass qualifications.
 
jerryk said:
My guess is there will be a 14" MBP. However, it will depend on the reception of the 16". Like 16", the 14" would be heavier and bigger than it's predecessor. The 15" was already bigger so that the change is not as noticeable. But for the smaller unit it might be quite noticeable since the size would closing in on the old 15".
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A lot of 13" class (still larger than the MBP) Windows machines now incorporate dedicated graphics, so growing the higher end (28W) machine slightly to facilitate that might be a good thing. The 15W (2x TB3) Model would remain as is (updated slightly with the new keyboard) and continue to use iris graphics.
 
JPack said:
We knew about 16-inch back in February.

If there are major changes to the 13-inch form factor, we would be hearing about them now.

Suppliers like LG Display need about a year to spin up new panels and pass qualifications.
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Its ok, we already know the new keyboard will be shipped to the entire line up next year
About the panels...there is time...nobody needs or have to tell us now nothing...Apple like in 2012 will make the same treatment...they will not let the smaller one with bigger bezels and not treat it the same as the 16"
Poor management...they need to diff from the 13" Mba more...and i would not be surprised if they make it also the 14" a bit thicker for more battery, and slightly bigger fans
 
Falhófnir said:
A lot of 13" class (still larger than the MBP) Windows machines now incorporate dedicated graphics, so growing the higher end (28W) machine slightly to facilitate that might be a good thing. The 15W (2x TB3) Model would remain as is (updated slightly with the new keyboard) and continue to use iris graphics.
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I agree from a performance standard it would be better with a dGPU, but that leads to more heat to dissipate and more critically for the entry level MBP a potential increase in price. Perhaps Apple can work some magic and hold the price the same and include a dGPU. I am not sure Apple wants to go back to the days of 2 separate entry level machines to support like in 2016.
 
Falhófnir said:
A lot of 13" class (still larger than the MBP) Windows machines now incorporate dedicated graphics, so growing the higher end (28W) machine slightly to facilitate that might be a good thing. The 15W (2x TB3) Model would remain as is (updated slightly with the new keyboard) and continue to use iris graphics.
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Now with 7nm, if they make also the 14" thicker i guess they can place an 5000M/5200M 35W TGP
 
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JPack said:
There are no credible rumors of 14".

Unless it comes from Kuo, Gurman, Nikkei, etc., most rumors are junk. Anybody can Photoshop or spread a rumor, but where did the 14" rumor come from?
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There were definitely some credible rumours about a 14" MBP earlier in the year. I think it was even before the micro LED ones, but as the year went on it was all about the 16".

The 14" is a logical next step, presumably in the first half of next year with the same keyboard etc.
 
ascender said:
There were definitely some credible rumours about a 14" MBP earlier in the year. I think it was even before the micro LED ones, but as the year went on it was all about the 16".

The 14" is a logical next step, presumably in the first half of next year with the same keyboard etc.
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I haven't seen any credible rumors on 14". At least none credible enough to be mentioned by MacRumors. This is why I was asking where this rumor came from.

5G rumors? Yes. Mini-LED rumors? Yes.

Why is 14" the next logical step instead of refreshed 13"? The 16" chassis makes sense to house a power-hungry i9, discrete graphics, and good speakers. I don't see the same argument for 14".
 
JPack said:
I haven't seen any credible rumors on 14". At least none credible enough to be mentioned by MacRumors. This is why I was asking where this rumor came from.

5G rumors? Yes. Mini-LED rumors? Yes.

Why is 14" the next logical step instead of refreshed 13"? The 16" chassis makes sense to house a power-hungry i9, discrete graphics, and good speakers. I don't see the same argument for 14".
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A 14” MacBook Pro makes room for a 13” iPad Pro instead of calling it a 12.9”
 
Nismo73 said:
A 14” MacBook Pro makes room for a 13” iPad Pro instead of calling it a 12.9”
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If we go with what Kuo is telling us,

"We forecast that Apple will respectively launch an all-new design 31.6-inch monitor, a 10–12 inch ‌iPad‌ and a 15–17 inch MacBook equipped with a mini LED backlight unit (BLU) in 2–3Q19, 4Q20–1Q21 and 1–2Q21."​
 
jerryk said:
I agree from a performance standard it would be better with a dGPU, but that leads to more heat to dissipate and more critically for the entry level MBP a potential increase in price. Perhaps Apple can work some magic and hold the price the same and include a dGPU. I am not sure Apple wants to go back to the days of 2 separate entry level machines to support like in 2016.
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I think more of a gap between the two 13" pro models is desirable - what extra are you really getting for your money going for the 28W model currently? Two ports and a bit more thermal headroom? For $300? Make the $1,799 model closer to the 16", even if the price goes up to $1,999 to cover adding a GPU and 512GB.
 
Falhófnir said:
I think more of a gap between the two 13" pro models is desirable - what extra are you really getting for your money going for the 28W model currently? Two ports and a bit more thermal headroom? For $300? Make the $1,799 model closer to the 16", even if the price goes up to $1,999 to cover adding a GPU and 512GB.
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I definitely agree with this. The 13" MBP looks ridiculously overpriced right now. To spec it up to the baseline 16" puts it at 2200 at which point for an extra 200 you get three extra inches of screen, a dedicated graphics card and two extra cores in the CPU.
 
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