The issue was not with the GPU, it was with the terrible cooling and assembly (thermal paste)
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Thoughts on AMD Radeon R9 M370X over the Nvidia 750m?
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The issue was not with the GPU, it was with the terrible cooling and assembly (thermal paste)
So, best guess as to the actual performance of this M370X? Is this based on the new GCN arch that is coming in the R9 390X? It doesn't have HBM memory or anything and is still 28 nm (not sure whether the R9 390X will be 20nm or 28nm or what).
I just ordered a Razer Blade 14 to replace my old rMBP and was wondering if I should return it and get this instead. I value GPU horsepower quite a bit though since I play a lot of games...
The 2012 rMBP and 650m was "good enough" for a while but it's getting slow now. Having a 970M in the Razer would be great, but the new rMBP has much faster PCIe storage and 128MB DRAM on the CPU die because of Iris Pro as well... Hard to decide for me.
Incidentally I just learned of the recall through this thread so maybe getting my logic board replaced will make it better, lol.
I just ordered a Razer Blade 14 to replace my old rMBP and was wondering if I should return it and get this instead. I value GPU horsepower quite a bit though since I play a lot of games...
The 2012 rMBP and 650m was "good enough" for a while but it's getting slow now. Having a 970M in the Razer would be great, but the new rMBP has much faster PCIe storage and 128MB DRAM on the CPU die because of Iris Pro as well... Hard to decide for me.
Incidentally I just learned of the recall through this thread so maybe getting my logic board replaced will make it better, lol.
I'd be shocked if the new GPU wasn't significantly better than the 750M for a simple reason: Apple doesn't have a good reason NOT to put in a much better GPU.
1) They don't need the backlash over the lack of GPU update (even though it isn't their fault, Apple might take some of the blame anyways for the Broadwell issue).
2) They don't need the extra cash from putting in an outdated GPU— Macbook Pros just aren't a huge factor in their profit-making anymore.
3) They don't need to increase battery life for the consumers who buy this model over the 13" and MBA.
4) Finally, there is no technical reason why they couldn't upgrade the GPU to a much better one. This is the only reason they didn't upgrade the hell out of the CPU.
I have a feeling that the AMD GPU is going to turn out quite well.
1) They don't need the backlash over the lack of GPU update (even though it isn't their fault, Apple might take some of the blame anyways for the Broadwell issue).
2) They don't need the extra cash from putting in an outdated GPU— Macbook Pros just aren't a huge factor in their profit-making anymore.
3) They don't need to increase battery life for the consumers who buy this model over the 13" and MBA.
4) Finally, there is no technical reason why they couldn't upgrade the GPU to a much better one. This is the only reason they didn't upgrade the hell out of the CPU.
I have a feeling that the AMD GPU is going to turn out quite well.
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All GPU's can over heat, but the mbp dosn't help
So, All GPU's can over heat for several reason, sure the 750m has had some issue, but my 2011 MBP recently had have the logic board swapped due to a known issue with over heating and that is an AMD. Luckily Apple covered it. Since the MBP is so thin and all metal, even with the two fans inside it gets crazy hot. Having said that I want to buy the new one regardless lol. I will probably buy one tonight. I don't know why I even waiting, even if the GPU isn't crazy fast I still want it. Maybe its a money thing lol idk...
So, All GPU's can over heat for several reason, sure the 750m has had some issue, but my 2011 MBP recently had have the logic board swapped due to a known issue with over heating and that is an AMD. Luckily Apple covered it. Since the MBP is so thin and all metal, even with the two fans inside it gets crazy hot. Having said that I want to buy the new one regardless lol. I will probably buy one tonight. I don't know why I even waiting, even if the GPU isn't crazy fast I still want it. Maybe its a money thing lol idk...
I decided to pull the trigger as well. Ordered a 2.5 with the M370X and will probably just upgrade it once Skylake comes out. Given that I just sold my 2010 MBP, and I have a 09 MP, I think it will be a good upgrade and Skylake will seem like another big upgrade.
Unfortunately, I have a June 1st in store pickup date, right as I will be out of town and won't get it till the 6th
Unfortunately, I have a June 1st in store pickup date, right as I will be out of town and won't get it till the 6th
People also need to realize that the "950M" beating the "R9 M370X" never takes into account the battery life hit and heat dissipation needed to reach propertied numbers. A 980M beats all other mobile GPUs, it also puts off so much heat that it's impractical in all but this thickest of laptops.
Rated TDP of the 950M/960M is 75W. I always found it hard to believe Apple would be able to stick such a chip into a chassis that currently cools a 50W GPU without some down clocking. Blame 28nm GPUs for the 3rd straight year as the source of that problem.
Rated TDP of the 950M/960M is 75W. I always found it hard to believe Apple would be able to stick such a chip into a chassis that currently cools a 50W GPU without some down clocking. Blame 28nm GPUs for the 3rd straight year as the source of that problem.
i doubt it'll beat the 970m. i have the RB14 also (FHD version), and it looks like it can handle The Witcher 3 on ultra. Apple considers both battery life and heat more, so that's why i think this. tho the RB14 has good battery life for having the 970m (i usually get 6 hours), the heat can still be an issue at times. if you do a lot of gaming, then the Blade would be the better fit for you.
75W? Source?
From what I've seen here... http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...eforce-gtx-960mgtx-950m-and-geforce-940m.html
OpenCL
Moving to AMD is probably beneficial for OpenCL performance, such as in Final Cut Pro. Apple's own apps use OpenCL instead of CUDA, and plus Apple has never cared too much about Mac gaming. Adobe users and gamers would just have to bear with them or Switch.
Moving to AMD is probably beneficial for OpenCL performance, such as in Final Cut Pro. Apple's own apps use OpenCL instead of CUDA, and plus Apple has never cared too much about Mac gaming. Adobe users and gamers would just have to bear with them or Switch.
I don't think they are available in store until June 1st. I placed an order in store and that's what they gave me.
The irony is that the Adobe Apps can't take advantage of CUDA like they're supposed to. In fact, all the After Effects and Premiere users are having to UN-install CUDA to get their systems working again. And we end up switching the renderer to... that's right, OpenCL.
So maybe this AMD chip will be just what Adobe users like me are waiting for!
They're available online today. The Apple Store rep I talked to today said they won't get them in until next week, so before June 1.
It sure isn't, because there were no citations next to the TDP values in the table.
Even on the GPU itself (citation no. 61 in the table), some of the data came from TechPowerup, which itself is also laden with inaccuracies due to speculated data.
Again, the store rep I talked to today said next week, and I've learned over the years that the store in question usually gets stuff in sooner than they tell you.
That is nonsense. The 950M has a TDP at <30W. The 960M 30-35W.
Nvidia & Co don't release TDP numbers for mobile chips but you can infer them from the kind of notebooks they show up in. How thick are the notebooks, how is their power consumption under load.
The 750M is also below 30W (25W probably because Turbo mode is disabled). It is nowhere close to 50W.
For mobile GPUs it is
15W for the 940M/940M type class
25-30W for the 950M
30-35W for the 960M
50W-70W for 970M
75-100W for 980M.
Yeah I know the 970M will be much faster than anything Apple would put in the rMBP. The new rMBP has a lot of advantages too though as a regular productivity machine :/
An rMBP with a 970M or 980M (with correspondingly better cooling) would be my ideal machine. No doubt that it could be done engineering wise because Razer could squeeze it into an even smaller laptop… though the battery life would be much worse.
Still can't figure out why Apple went with AMD when Maxwell is so much better in perf/W.
From what I have seen, the TDP of 650M/750M...950M is in the ballpark of 40W. The TDP of 950M is certainly NOT under 30W.
Where do you take your numbers from
I love AMD. They have sucked at battery life and power consumption in the past few years, but that may be slowly changing now.
They are releasing 20nm GPU's (390/390x) with HBM Stacked Memory in a few weeks. The nvidia 970/980 still use a 28nm GPU with GDDR5. AMD will have the crown of best GPU's once again when these new desktop cards are released.
I'm not sure how much of this new tech. is making it to the macbook pro, we may have to wait for the 2016 refresh for something sweet.
Why does the 15 inch rmbp still have 1600mhz ram compared to the 13 inch's 1866mhz ram?
They are releasing 20nm GPU's (390/390x) with HBM Stacked Memory in a few weeks. The nvidia 970/980 still use a 28nm GPU with GDDR5. AMD will have the crown of best GPU's once again when these new desktop cards are released.
I'm not sure how much of this new tech. is making it to the macbook pro, we may have to wait for the 2016 refresh for something sweet.
Why does the 15 inch rmbp still have 1600mhz ram compared to the 13 inch's 1866mhz ram?
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