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Thoughts on AMD Radeon R9 M370X over the Nvidia 750m?
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Thats not fair towards Apple and AMD both. I would suggest wait for the reviews and then decide.
Realize that the forums are a place for people to ask for help, so a lot have issues on HERE. But a majority of the population does not. That doesn't mean you won't but I wouldn't let it stop you from purchasing
I wouldn't say that. I have a late 2013 rmbp with no issues. I have a 2010 mbp with 330m and kept the 330m on always, using it a lot every day. No issues.
Yeah my 330m actually did die. I thought if you do buy the dual graphics, u take some load off of the iris and that extends the life of it. But my question is why the computer doesn't boot if the Dgpu dies, can't it use the iris as if there isn't any dgpu?
The way you used it is the best way to get the most life from it. What would kill it would be to use it heavily in gaming and then turn it off, let it get cold, and then game with it again. The rapid heating/cooling would fracture the solder pads over time.
I would like to upgrade my 2012 rMBP for 4K on-the-road editing, but I'm sitting on the CPU fence for now as the cpu is using the same process node as my ivy bridge. Stinkin' Intel is milking the cow for all it's worth due to lack of competition.
I think I'll just get a Thunderbolt/512gb SSD to upgrade the 2012 while on the road as it's the 512gb SSD that's limiting me at this point. 4K 100 Mbps recording eats storage like crazy.
I think the way Apple does the wiring of the dgpu/igpu requires both to be active during bootup...
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OS X sees the dGPU, tries to initialise it on boot and fails due to the faulty hardware. There's no disable switch since Thunderbolt is routed via the dGPU.
The dGPU is great for games and apps that can utilise the extra power via OpenCL but won't significantly extend the MTBF (assuming no manufacturing/design issues) or software lifespan of the MBP with only the Iris Pro.
Unless you have had the computer repaired multiple times for the same problems, Apple won't replace it. With my last rMBP, it took 3-4 logic board replacements and 3-4 other misc repairs before the store finally replaced it with a new machine. It had, like all my other 15" MBPs, dGPU problems. It was the late-2013 model with the 750m.
Idk if Apple just can't cool these things right or what but I will never buy another dGPU MBP again unless I am 100% sure that it won't fail. I'm tried of making 10-15 trips per laptop because of GPU problems just to be turned away half the time because it cannot be reproduced.
(Note that of those three MBPs I had, the 2 older ones are covered under the Repair Program).
Realize that the forums are a place for people to ask for help, so a lot have issues on HERE. But a majority of the population does not. That doesn't mean you won't but I wouldn't let it stop you from purchasing
Suit yourself. I'm not gonna stop you from buying what you want but from my experience Apple's dGPUs suck. I'm assuming it's the cooling (or lack thereof) that is killing them, because the MBPs I have with only the integrated or single GPUs are still running to this day. Take it from someone who owned a Radeongate MBP, a 650m based Retina and a 750m based Retina, get one without the dGPU or invest your money elsewhere. Luckily I was able to get a refund for my late 2013 which I put towards my nMP.
Between those three machines I had almost two dozen logic board repairs just for dGPU problems. That doesn't include problems with screens ghosting, keyboard problems, I/O problems, etc. Make of that what you will.
Oh, and BTW, Apple charged to 'upgrade' me from the 2011 Radeon machine to the 2012 Retina, both of which are on that Repair program. The 2011 was a CTO direct from Apple with: 2.3GHz Sandy Bridge Quad i7, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM, and the Hi-Res glossy option. Technically, I paid more for that machine then the Retina was worth.
I reached out for a refund on the money I paid out to 'upgrade' when the repair program was launched I was told 'No' by Executive Customer Relations. Actually, not just a 'No' but a snarky one at that. They said that it looked like I was already 'fulfilled' because I had 4 machine replacements (I returned the fourth for credit towards the nMP) and got a full refund on AppleCare (mind you, all those repairs on all those machines were done under the included 1 year warranty).
God apple doesn't make anything easy. While I really don't need the extra dpgu, it only costs me 40$ to add it and it's good to have extra power. But I don't want to pay 2500$ and have to buy a new one in 2 years. My 2010 MBP started having problems with the intel first, the display would keep blinking and forcing it to use dgpu fixed the problem.
27th - 29th May, ordered the night it came out. Didn't go for the very top CPU or 1TB but aside from that its maxed.
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I was planning on it, was hoping to just jump from W7 to W10 with a fresh install, now this early refresh has messed with my plans! I'll find a solution though. Might just install W8 for the few months I have to wait until W10 arrives. So looks like it will be a W7 GT 750M vs a W8.1 M370X comparison guys.
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Basically what I've done with mine, we're talking 5-10 hour sessions every single day almost. Never had a single issue, but having this under a 3 year warranty really does offer peace of mind.
Hey guys, I have a question
I don't want to make new thread, so... I'm planning to buy new rMBP 15 but I really can't decide if I need the dGPU.
Are there any other benefits in having dGPU option instead of the normal one besides slightly faster CPU and 256GB's more SSD storage?
Maybe the SSD is faster in the dGPU model?
I'm asking beacuse I really can't care less about having the dGPU option as I'm not gamer on the computers except Football Manager sometimes and some indie games. I guess Football Manager will run just fine on Iris Pro?
Also sorry for my possible english mistakes - it isn't my native language!
I don't want to make new thread, so... I'm planning to buy new rMBP 15 but I really can't decide if I need the dGPU.
Are there any other benefits in having dGPU option instead of the normal one besides slightly faster CPU and 256GB's more SSD storage?
Maybe the SSD is faster in the dGPU model?
I'm asking beacuse I really can't care less about having the dGPU option as I'm not gamer on the computers except Football Manager sometimes and some indie games. I guess Football Manager will run just fine on Iris Pro?
Also sorry for my possible english mistakes - it isn't my native language!
Latest Macbook Pro Refresh Bores Me... *sigh*
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
The reps are telling me that they definitely won't have the usual maxed out version in stores (upgraded CPU, GPU, and 1TB HD) anymore. They aren't sure they'll even carry the upgraded GPU models at all.
I guess they don't think that the MBP is an impulse purchase
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
Why would anyone have thought this update was going to be a redesign or major change? The Broadwell procs aren't even available yet. Why would Apple waste resources doing a completely new redesign a couple months before the Broadwell procs come out? It just doesn't make sense to redesign w/ Crystal Well, then have to make changes for Broadwell, then more for Skylake.
IMO, the best chance we have for a redesign is with Skylake in late 2015/early 2016 since Skylake is supposed to be paired with a variety of wireless connectivity options, including wireless charging. Wouldn't it be much more likely that Apple would redesign their cases in concert with ditching wired charging and freeing up the real estate on the side of the case where the charger connects?
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
Why would Apple go through the trouble of redesigning the entire chassis and logic board when they are going to need to change things around when Broadwell or Skylake comes out? And on the new processor side, the only 'upgrade' they could have put in would have been the dual core Broadwell chips because Quad Core mobile Broadwell chipsets aren't out yet. This isn't Apple's fault it's Intel's fault. At this point, I'm surprised the 15" even got an upgrade.
Also, I think the different colored bodies will remain exclusive to the MacBook for now as that is more of a consumer facing machine and the MacBook Pro is more of a Professional facing notebook.
Basically, don't expect a redesigned MacBook Pro until next year. It's certainly due for it. Maybe Apple will finally make use of that liquid metal material they keep paying to keep exclusive but don't do anything with. If I have the money, I might buy a 13" if its made out of liquid metal. I've fallen back in love with the 13" form factor.
I think it is, in fact more so then the Air. The current rMBPs are basically slimed down versions of the aluminum MacBook from 7 years ago. The Airs got a redesign in 2010. If anything, the current unibody look is out of date across all of Apple's portables.
Plus, I don't see the Air sticking around for much longer. It's no longer the thinest or lightest Mac ever, that title goes to the new MacBook. I see Apple possibly discontinuing the Air in a year or two when the prices of the MacBooks start coming down.
Guys, pretty please - answer meHey guys, I have a question
I don't want to make new thread, so... I'm planning to buy new rMBP 15 but I really can't decide if I need the dGPU.
Are there any other benefits in having dGPU option instead of the normal one besides slightly faster CPU and 256GB's more SSD storage?
Maybe the SSD is faster in the dGPU model?
I'm asking beacuse I really can't care less about having the dGPU option as I'm not gamer on the computers except Football Manager sometimes and some indie games. I guess Football Manager will run just fine on Iris Pro?
Also sorry for my possible english mistakes - it isn't my native language!
I want to make order!
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
Tell me what makes a new chassis "better" than the existing one?
There are no newer CPUs at this time, Broadwell/Skylake are not available. The keyboard is one of the best in a laptop. The logic board is new as they changed the GPU to AMD.
If someone's product range "bores" you then look elsewhere.
So what should Apple have done? Painted it green and swapped some of the keys randomly into new positions while using a new CPU they knocked up in three weeks?
Which would put it above the 960m which is about 49% faster than the 750m. Nice!
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Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
It may be to you, but the much needed GPU upgrade is a godsend. Intel CPU's aren't ready, so blame intel. Also, the Pro doesn't need to be thinner, it needs to be more powerful. That 750m was seriously underpowered.
Anyone here wanting to complain why the MacBook Pro didn't get a better upgrade? Maybe a new chassis, new chassis colours, newer CPUs, new keyboard and maybe a newer logic board design?
Obviously due to heat issues, you can't minimize the logic board too much because a fan is still needed for these heat-producing CPUs and GPU but I feel this is super lack-lustre after the latest Macbook refresh. I'm pretty disappointed. When are we going to see a complete overhaul??
I'm guessing Apple missed some internal deadlines and forced this lame-ass upgrade on us instead of a really cool new machine. Their new "Force Touch" trackpad will receive a lot of attention at WWDC this year but that's not really anything to write home about. *yawn*
To me, this is a boring upgrade. I need a new laptop but I might put up with working at workstation (Mac Pro 5,1) a lil' wee longer.
1. No quad-core Broadwell parts (Broadwell H)have been released yet. That means there is no logic board redesign, no fan/cooling redesign, no significant change to the internals at this time.
2. Most people have looked to Skylake as the big update, with a spec bump and inclusion of the new force trackpad part of the refresh (which we got) and the new keyboard (which we apparently didn't get). The faster SSD and battery improvements are actually a bonus in this case.
3. Apple didn't miss any deadline. The delays are on Intel's side, and at this point, Apple might just skip Broadwell completely in the 15" rMBP in favor of waiting for Skylake.
4. Because of the items addressed in #1, there is no need to design a new chassis for the rMBP, therefore no push to expand the colors to what the 12" retina got. That machine is also targeted at a different type of user than the rMBP.
Alright, alright. Well, I didn't know that no newer quad-core processors are available yet. I simply assumed that if the new MacBook got an update to processors, the lower-power chips would follow suit in the next revision. I haven't been keeping a close eye on their release dates.
A new chassis would be better if and when they try to make their components as advanced in engineering as the new MacBook. Maybe it is a good thing that they haven't changed the keyboard to use their new "butterfly" mechanism. When I tried the Pro's keyboard in-store, it seemed like the keys were rather loose but perhaps that's just because anyone and everyone is taking them for a "spin".
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