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Thoughts on my logo?

kevinfulton.ca said:
Myself and other did offer extensive constructive criticism actually. And here it is
Mine VVVVVV


Others VVVV




And so far, the OP's only response has been VVVV




And that was it!! We started off trying to help and then he didn't like it and left!!!

You are correct that I wasn't actually quoting him. It's called sarcasm. Yes it's a little immature, but you know what? Like the other DESIGNERS here I was offended! He wants to design a logo for his "Web DESIGN business", but when he gets honest criticism then he says "I'm only 15 and not a designer yet." So my question to him (if he's still monitoring this) is a) Why would you post something for public criticism if you're not prepared to be criticized (even if that criticism is constructive) and b) If you can't take criticism then why would you even consider launching a Web Design site?

And to chrono1081 (if you're still monitoring this thread). Did you even read this thread before attacking? This thread is full of designers who started off trying to help a young start up and he didn't want to accept the advice we gave willingly. But, he obviously didn't care enough to at least TRY to listen and that is insulting. If you don't want to hear peoples opinions about your work DON'T POST IT!!
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I read the entire thread before posting this response. Look at how you are typing. You are getting angry for no reason.

The OP is 15, I'm sure at 15 you did some things deemed silly by adults but its part of the learning process. Also he never said a graphic design business, he simply said a graphic design website.

There is also no indication that he didn't take the constructive criticism well, he said in an earlier thread after looking at it again he realized it wasn't good. Who's to say he's not working on a redesign at this very moment, taking into account the advice given to him? The type of harshness towards him displayed on this thread is sickening. A few people offered good advice, the rest simply spent time bashing him.
 
I realize I may be getting a little carried away. His quotation marks and :p in his first response is probably what started to get me going. It wreeked of attitude........teenager attitude.........so yeah you're right he is definitely only 15 and is still learning lol! I would love to be proven wrong though. I can't speak for the others, but I hope that my sarcastic comments (which qualify as teenager style attitude) don't get put in the "disguting" category. I don't wanna be "one of THOSE guys" ;) Thanks for helping me simmer down bud :D ( not sarcasim)

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I realize I may be getting a little carried away. His quotation marks and :p in his first response is probably what started to get me going. It wreeked of attitude........teenager attitude.........so yeah you're right he is definitely only 15 and is still learning lol! I would love to be proven wrong though. I can't speak for the others, but I hope that my sarcastic comments (which qualify as teenager style attitude) don't get put in the "disguting" category. I don't wanna be "one of THOSE guys" ;) Thanks for helping me simmer down bud :D ( not sarcasim)
 
kevinfulton.ca said:
I realize I may be getting a little carried away. His quotation marks and :p in his first response is probably what started to get me going. It wreeked of attitude........teenager attitude.........so yeah you're right he is definitely only 15 and is still learning lol! I would love to be proven wrong though. I can't speak for the others, but I hope that my sarcastic comments (which qualify as teenager style attitude) don't get put in the "disguting" category. I don't wanna be "one of THOSE guys" ;) Thanks for helping me simmer down bud :D ( not sarcasim)
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No worries it happens to everyone. (My posting history is far from stellar ;) )

Also this forum is tame compared to a wedding photography forum where a beginner with a digital SLR comes in :eek:

I just hope the OP takes everyones advice, reads up on typography and improves (and develops thick skin since it is essential in a creative field).

All of that aside, I've actually learned a lot from this thread myself with regards to the links others posted. Although I do not do graphic design for logos and such, I do make a lot of graphics and the information posted in this thread was quite useful.
 
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kevinfulton.ca said:
Myself and other did offer extensive constructive criticism actually. And here it is
Mine VVVVVV


Others VVVV




And so far, the OP's only response has been VVVV




And that was it!! We started off trying to help and then he didn't like it and left!!!

You are correct that I wasn't actually quoting him. It's called sarcasm. Yes it's a little immature, but you know what? Like the other DESIGNERS here I was offended! He wants to design a logo for his "Web DESIGN business", but when he gets honest criticism then he says "I'm only 15 and not a designer yet." So my question to him (if he's still monitoring this) is a) Why would you post something for public criticism if you're not prepared to be criticized (even if that criticism is constructive) and b) If you can't take criticism then why would you even consider launching a Web Design site?

And to chrono1081 (if you're still monitoring this thread). Did you even read this thread before attacking? This thread is full of designers who started off trying to help a young start up and he didn't want to accept the advice we gave willingly. But, he obviously didn't care enough to at least TRY to listen and that is insulting. If you don't want to hear peoples opinions about your work DON'T POST IT!!
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I'm convinced you read another thread and responded to this one by accident :p I think if you were to bookmark this thread and come back and reread it next week you'd realise how far off the mark some of your comments are.

Oh, and I'm not sure you get sarcasm, because what you called sarcasm most definitely was not.

Designers can be so precious sometimes. It's funny. The kid is 15. If the worst he's doing is showing a designer supposed disrespect by starting a design business with no formal training, he's doing alright.
 
#Protip: Never ask people if they like the design. Instead ask "does this fit the business purpose?".

Takes the opinion out of the mix, and the result being you'll get feedback to improve the design. True story works every time.
 
I'm convinced you read another thread and responded to this one by accident I think if you were to bookmark this thread and come back and reread it next week you'd realise how far off the mark some of your comments are.

Oh, and I'm not sure you get sarcasm, because what you called sarcasm most definitely was not.

Designers can be so precious sometimes. It's funny. The kid is 15. If the worst he's doing is showing a designer supposed disrespect by starting a design business with no formal training, he's doing alright.
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Sigh.........already admitted that I over reacted and my gripe had nothing to do with formal training. I could care less about that since I don't have any formal training either (but sometimes wish I did). But, you know what? I'll be the whipping boy since I did over react and I had the biggest rant lol! I get it. Lesson learned lol! :D
 
allmIne said:
Designers can be so precious sometimes. It's funny. The kid is 15. If the worst he's doing is showing a designer supposed disrespect by starting a design business with no formal training, he's doing alright.
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15 year old kids should be out chasing girls, playing with Xbox, or maybe just doing there homework. Not starting a web design business.

A lot of you are extremely apologetic for someone who seems to be heading down the wrong track. And I suppose most of you are not designers... just people who happened by this thread and decided to jump in with your 2 cent opinions.

"Designers can be so precious sometimes." What does that mean? Are you saying that thoughtful design is not important to you? That design is something that shouldn't be taken serious? Well, I suggest you open your eyes and look around. The world is full of precious things that came into being due to the hard work of designers. Like that precious computer you are making your post with.
 
THX1139 said:
15 year old kids should be out chasing girls, playing with Xbox, or maybe just doing there homework. Not starting a web design business.
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I disagree, if he's serious about a career within the design industry it might be worth contacting a design agency or two for an internship. It would give him a taste of what the industry has to offer not to mention he'd pick up some awesome skills he could add to a portfolio site.

It also might lead into a part time job with experienced peoples which would be an awesome step up in the industry and give him some great knowledge.

THX1139 said:
A lot of you are extremely apologetic for someone who seems to be heading down the wrong track. And I suppose most of you are not designers... just people who happened by this thread and decided to jump in with your 2 cent opinions.

"Designers can be so precious sometimes." What does that mean? Are you saying that thoughtful design is not important to you? That design is something that shouldn't be taken serious? Well, I suggest you open your eyes and look around. The world is full of precious things that came into being due to the hard work of designers. Like that precious computer you are making your post with.
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One of the best people I've worked with gave me some great advice "if it looks easy people tend to believe it's easy". He was not in creative rather a very good energy load trader. I've always had the impression from many people that design is a very soft industry and designer are precious.

To an extent yes, though I've come to the conclusion good designers are defensive about their work and industry while there's also the generalised perception about cargo culting. "I have the software, I have the hardware, I can be creative so therefore I can be a designer", petitio principii. Try telling a chef because I cooked my dinner last night I therefore am a chef as well, they don't take too kindly to that.

In my experience neither acquired knowledge, schooling, techie skills or pure creative is greater than each other, I best people who I would consider designers have an balance between all of these aspects.

So in a wrap up I'd recommend the OP to learn the craft before jumping head first into a business, not saying this to put you off rather save yourself the time, money and guaranteed frustration.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
I disagree, if he's serious about a career within the design industry it might be worth contacting a design agency or two for an internship. It would give him a taste of what the industry has to offer not to mention he'd pick up some awesome skills he could add to a portfolio site.

It also might lead into a part time job with experienced peoples which would be an awesome step up in the industry and give him some great knowledge.
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Geez, the kid is only 15! Normally I agree with your posts... but not this one. I do agree that experience and internships are extremely valuable, but not for 15 year olds. Surely he can wait until he is out of high school? 3 years is an eternity when you're a kid and those years shouldn't be wasted on developing a business. There is plenty of time for that once school gets out, or even during college if he chooses to go that route. In the meantime, he should be having fun and doing well in high school (before he has to hit that career treadmill). That's not to say that he can't be learning or taking classes in school. But the rest of the time he should be out having fun and creating memories that he can take into adulthood. Don't be in such a hurry to have him grow up!
 
THX1139 said:
15 year old kids should be out chasing girls, playing with Xbox, or maybe just doing there homework. Not starting a web design business.

A lot of you are extremely apologetic for someone who seems to be heading down the wrong track. And I suppose most of you are not designers... just people who happened by this thread and decided to jump in with your 2 cent opinions.

"Designers can be so precious sometimes." What does that mean? Are you saying that thoughtful design is not important to you? That design is something that shouldn't be taken serious? Well, I suggest you open your eyes and look around. The world is full of precious things that came into being due to the hard work of designers. Like that precious computer you are making your post with.
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No. In this instance I'm using 'precious' to mean, essentially, 'easily offended'.
 
Wow so many opinions on what his life should be, how about going out and live your own life and leave people up to do whatever they want. If there are lessons to be learned, people will learn them. All this rubbish about how things are suppose to be, look around you. You an be a famous painter or musician at 8.

The only thing you can say to the OP is: Don't post your first time rubbish online until, wait until you know what you think about it or it is not rubbish but really good.And for closers: "Designers" are idiots :)
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Reminds me of this and this

I've really been getting the impression lately (not talking about the forums) but how to become a graphic designer goes likes this:
1) Buy a mac
2) Pirate Photoshop and Illustrator
3) ???
4) Set up a web site
5) You're a designer.
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That's a bit more accurate.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Reminds me of this and this

I've really been getting the impression lately (not talking about the forums) but how to become a graphic designer goes likes this:
1) Buy a mac
2) Buy Photoshop and Illustrator
3) ???
4) Set up a web site
5) You're a designer.

Seriously it's been like this for the last few years with applicants sending through portfolios to my department, the quality has been terrible not to mention hardly any formalised training... It's funny more than anything.
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6) Profit
 
Off-topic, but I remember, when I was 12, I worked for 8+ hours painting a deer in a forest. I loved it very very much. I showed it to my grandma and received hugs and kisses. Same thing with grandpa, mom and sister.

Then my dad (a civil engineer) came home and I showed it to him. He stared at it for a while, grabbed a pencil and started correcting the curves. After about 10 minutes he was done. The painting was immensely beautified.

I don't know what happened to me at that point, but I just took it and shredded it to pieces :eek:
 
Dazmatze said:
Hey,

I was just wondering about your thoughts on a logo I made. It would be used for my upcoming graphic design website. Any tips on the colour, size etc.. is greatly appreciated,

Thanks.


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I think its pretty damn good for a 15 year old. Keep working on your skills and you'll do fine.

Never stop learning!!
 
Dazmatze said:
Hey,

I was just wondering about your thoughts on a logo I made. It would be used for my upcoming graphic design website. Any tips on the colour, size etc.. is greatly appreciated,

Thanks.


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It looks neat but a little boring. And the white spaces between names distracts my attention from the name.

I do like the blue color on white background.
 
Why does this thread continue? The OP is long gone and I think it's rather amusing that people keep giving him advice.
 
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