Three Becomes Latest UK Mobile Operator to Bring Back EU Roaming Charges

ashdelacroix said:
Silly. Of course it was disadvantageous to join the EU program. That caused a massive continental crisis and embarrassment for months after the UK and USA started their own programs.
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You choose to ignore the number of countries in the EU that are equal or have surpassed the UK in the vaccine update, as well as the infection rate in the UK being way worse than any country in Europe, or even a lot of countries in the rest of the world
 
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MLVC said:
You do know that the EU is more democratic than the UK right? I mean, the House of Lords? Come on. At least the European Commission, Europan Council and European Parliament are all (indirectly) elected.
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I used to think the House of Lords was a dreadful thing. After moving to Australia and seeing the lunatics elected to the senate I’m genuinely not convinced anymore.
 
scgf said:
Because of Brexit. Had we voted to stay in I have no doubt we would have joined the EU vaccine roll-out programme. Of course we had to obey EU law while we were members, but knowing we were leaving imparted a completely different mindset of UK officials. A YES vote would have been seen as a mandate to join in with EU initiatives like the EMA. It would have been very odd after a YES vote for our government to go it alone, contrary the the majority of EU member states. Which EU member states did go it alone?
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This is wrong and I provided a link why earlier. There is no EU law that any EU country had to accept the vaccine rollout
 
211 said:
This is wrong and I provided a link why earlier. There is no EU law that any EU country had to accept the vaccine rollout
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You’re correct but that’s not really the point he’s making. Countries in the EU don’t technically have to do a lot of things but there’s pressure applied to show a United front etc etc.
there’s no way to know if the Uk would have joined the EU rollout but it’s very likely they would have.
 
I don't think these fees have anything to do with Brexit. It is companies doing what they can get away with.

As far as the EU is concerned, it is going to break up anyway. Why? because there is no local representation at the top governing body. It's all global elite at the top. When the EU does break up, the UK is going to be glad they got out early.

Same here in the states. Our federal government is out of control for the same reasons. I wish my state could succeed.
 
danny842003 said:
You’re correct but that’s not really the point he’s making. Countries in the EU don’t technically have to do a lot of things but there’s pressure applied to show a United front etc etc.
there’s no way to know if the Uk would have joined the EU rollout but it’s very likely they would have.
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There is no way to know. Is there evidence that countries that did join the EU vaccine rollout were pressured into it? Or the UK would have been?
 
nt5672 said:
I don't think these fees have anything to do with Brexit. It is companies doing what they can get away with.

As far as the EU is concerned, it is going to break up anyway. Why? because there is no local representation at the top governing body. It's all global elite at the top. When the EU does break up, the UK is going to be glad they got out early.

Same here in the states. Our federal government is out of control for the same reasons. I wish my state could succeed.
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These fees are directly related to Brexit and would not have been possible while still in the EU. The EU is also not going anywhere, the EU will be here and continue to grow for a long time as it benefits all its members.
 
Lukomaldini said:
Maybe vaccine rollout? Without being in the EU the UK could approve the vaccine quicker (I think, not 100% sure) certainly not a benefit drew up when the country voted to leave in 2016 though
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Not true. Nothing stopped the UK as a sovereign country from doing whatever they wanted while within the EU. Remember, they were still following all EU rules until the start of 2021 as part of the withdrawal agreement. They just lied and said it was a Brexit benefit because they know most people don't read beyond a headline.
 
nt5672 said:
I don't think these fees have anything to do with Brexit. It is companies doing what they can get away with.

As far as the EU is concerned, it is going to break up anyway. Why? because there is no local representation at the top governing body. It's all global elite at the top. When the EU does break up, the UK is going to be glad they got out early.

Same here in the states. Our federal government is out of control for the same reasons. I wish my state could succeed.
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Of the 27 member states there's not a single one that wants to leave the EU, sentiment in skeptical countries turned around after witnessing the shambles that is Brexit and made the parties that wanted to leave (e.g. Le Pen in France) turn around and instead focus on reforms. The EU is a long way of breaking up.
 
iGeek2019 said:
Perhaps it’s just me but surely, if your phone is unlocked, it’ll be more beneficial to purchase a local SIM as more operators bring in fees for roaming?

Couple in the annual 4.5% increase and Three become less of an attractive option…
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I wonder if the dual sim versions apple sells in China are about to be popular in the UK
 
211 said:
You choose to ignore the number of countries in the EU that are equal or have surpassed the UK in the vaccine update, as well as the infection rate in the UK being way worse than any country in Europe, or even a lot of countries in the rest of the world
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pelowj said:
Can you let me know when your Minister of State for EU Relations (David Frost) was elected?
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211, the UK started its vaccine process months before the EU really got traction. Some EU countries have since surpassed the UK vaccine rates in more recent weeks, but many have not. As I posted earlier, this is mainly due to compulsion in France due to its tougher vaccine passport imposition, plus the decision to vaccinate the young, including children, which the UK is more hesitant about. As to the infection rate, part of the current issue is the delta variant, which is now fast getting a hold in the EU, and falling immunity because those who were vaccinated several months ago will have reduced immunity (vaccines fade over time). However, deaths and serious hospitalisations have fallen dramatically. Those who choose not to be vaccinated are idiots and some are now dead. Overall, things are now getting back to normal in the UK, thanks to its vaccination program, which has been an almighty success.

pelowj, Lord Frost is a civil servant chosen by elected ministers. The Civil Service in the UK implements laws and policies decided upon by the elected government of the day. In the EU, the Civil Service is the EU Commission, which itself decides on what laws to introduce. The EU therefore has lawmakers and key decision-makers who are unelected. In addition, even the Presidents are deduced by backroom horse-trading between Germany and France, rather than directly elected. Arch-Europhile and ex-President Juncker complained about the lack of democracy in the election of von der Leyen. It is widely acknowledged, even by those who want the EU to succeed, such as Varoufakis and even EU MEPs, that there is a democratic deficit at the heart of the EU. This isn't just a problem created by Euro-sceptics, it's far broader than that if you'd care to research it.
 
danny842003 said:
I mean I don’t think anyone who voted leave for genuine reasons didn’t expect the first few years to be difficult. The only way to judge this will be in 15 or 30 years and judge where the country is then.
it was always pretty clear that early on there were going to be more negatives than positives. Unless you were a dullard that believes any politician tells you the truth on either side of politics.
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That “15 or 30 years” line will be rolled out increasingly frequently over the coming decade having been well seeded by the chief brexiteers. It’s a convenient period of time as after 30 years the vast majority of leave voters will have died.
 
211 said:
There is no way to know. Is there evidence that countries that did join the EU vaccine rollout were pressured into it? Or the UK would have been?
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We don't need to enter the world of the theoretical. All EU countries pooled their resources, the EU Commission caused catastrophe because of its bureaucracy in procuring the vaccines, the UK stayed out because it was due to leave the EU and it did not wish to be a supplicant of the EU Commission, and subsequently started its program far earlier and with far better organisation through its centralised NHS. Even once vaccines started rolling out across the EU, many countries struggled to organise such a roll-out nationally. The UK benefitted from its own procurement, planning and logistics. Things are now normalising significantly in the UK and we're the fastest growing economy in the G7. This is not to say the EU is evil. It's to say the UK is pretty pleased with itself, for good reason. As one small example: the UK procured a French treatment and capacity even before the French government did. And we have an effective vaccine, which the latest research shows is one of the most beneficial, without US assistance or co-production: making it a truly European vaccine.
 
RemedyRabbit said:
That “15 or 30 years” line will be rolled out increasingly frequently over the coming decade having been well seeded by the chief brexiteers. It’s a convenient period of time as after 30 years the vast majority of leave voters will have died.
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The idea that 20 year olds will suddenly want to go back into the EU, or whatever has replaced it, when they reach 50 years old! Most people grow more conservative as they age. Most will absolutely not want the upheaval of re-joining the EU or its replacement. By then, the UK will have developed so many separate treaties with countries around the world, and various global frameworks, it would actually be extremely difficult to re-join the EU.
 
iGeek2019 said:
Perhaps it’s just me but surely, if your phone is unlocked, it’ll be more beneficial to purchase a local SIM as more operators bring in fees for roaming?

Couple in the annual 4.5% increase and Three become less of an attractive option…
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Probably be cheaper to as you suggest, but I imagine it's still a pain in the groin having to manage two different SIMs.

A Brit that often finds themselves in both the UK and Europe would no longer have a seemless transition when going back and forth.

A vacationing Brit is only slightly inconvenienced by this, I suppose. Sure, they would have to do a little planning ahead if they want to be reached via a phone call.
 
ashdelacroix said:
We don't need to enter the world of the theoretical. All EU countries pooled their resources, the EU Commission caused catastrophe because of its bureaucracy in procuring the vaccines, the UK stayed out because it was due to leave the EU and it did not wish to be a supplicant of the EU Commission, and subsequently started its program far earlier and with far better organisation through its centralised NHS. Even once vaccines started rolling out across the EU, many countries struggled to organise such a roll-out nationally. The UK benefitted from its own procurement, planning and logistics. Things are now normalising significantly in the UK and we're the fastest growing economy in the G7. This is not to say the EU is evil. It's to say the UK is pretty pleased with itself, for good reason. As one small example: the UK procured a French treatment and capacity even before the French government did. And we have an effective vaccine, which the latest research shows is one of the most beneficial, without US assistance or co-production: making it a truly European vaccine.
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There are a lot of assumptions in your post. Regarding the "effective vaccine", latest research is showing it might not be that effective against the Delta variant and the UK is actually considering a third shot of Pfizer/Moderna.

And despite all these huge successes you assume, the figures in the UK are by far the worst in Europe. It's not even close, they really are BY FAR the worst.
 
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