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I look forward to the day we rejoin the EU and things can get back to normality with no roaming charges.
Sorry, this story isn't anything to do with new Apple hardware or software (or apple at all) why aren't you complaining?
 
Can anybody tell me what's the big deal here? Thanks to eSIM, there are so many international plans for travelers. And what's so hard putting a local SIM in to avoid roaming charges? With services like whatsapp and other messaging services, I don't see issues of missing contacts while roaming.

Also, if there's a healthy competition between the carriers, they will compete to offer roaming deals with their own partner carriers from various countries. Eg. prepaid plans in Singapore can roam in some countries using the same local data plans.
 
The EU is a failed socialist club, with Holland, Italy & Greece (both bankrupt economies), Denmark, Poland and Hungary thinking about leaving as well. UK taxpayers paid £14 billion pa, a loss of £14 billion pa, for this club with zero benefits (apart from straight cucumbers). You really don't need the Internet for anything whilst on holiday, you can still get it with free wifi. It was an idea I originally thought would be good to compete with the USA, until I found out how it is funded, and how flawed it is. You do know EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax? VAT rates vary in every country, laws varies in every country, incomes vary in every country, China & Japan weren't superpowers back then. The EU has failed in everything. Poverty still exists and is growing in most EU countries. So what is the point of the EU? Leaving was the best decision and will be proven, as the EU can't carry on with Diane Abbotts maths or economic policies. Don't forget the UK nearly went bust in 1976, just 2 years after joining the nirvana the EU was promised to be. One disaster after another.
The straight cucumbers/bendy bananas/spherical tomatoes thing has been rubbished everywhere, except in the minds of those that want to believe it's an actual rule the Uk has to follow.
YOU might not need the internet whilst you are on holiday and that's great for you but don't think for a second that your thoughts apply to anything even remotely approaching the term 'everybody'.


Please pop forward a citation for;
  • EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax.

So what if VAT/laws/incomes vary in every country, what's your point?

Leaving is only a good decision for Little Englanders and they'll feel how hard it is economically to be the little guy. The days of empire building are over, this is where Britain made its name and as soon as real civiliation took effect they realised that was no longer acceptable.
Three are right to impose these charges, we knew what was coming and decided to ignore it and call it project fear which has now become conclusion fear.

Please don't tell me you really believe that there are no benefits from EU membership.
 
Can anybody tell me what's the big deal here? Thanks to eSIM, there are so many international plans for travelers. And what's so hard putting a local SIM in to avoid roaming charges? With services like whatsapp and other messaging services, I don't see issues of missing contacts while roaming.

Also, if there's a healthy competition between the carriers, they will compete to offer roaming deals with their own partner carriers from various countries. Eg. prepaid plans in Singapore can roam in some countries using the same local data plans.
Put in new sim, lose phone number. Someone calls me, call goes nowhere.
Someone sends me SMS, I never see it.
 
Maybe vaccine rollout? Without being in the EU the UK could approve the vaccine quicker (I think, not 100% sure) certainly not a benefit drew up when the country voted to leave in 2016 though
Maybe vaccine rollout, but maybe there's actually more to it than that?
 
The right wing press has for decades blamed all of the UKs problems on the EU. It was drip fed to us. The EU was a convenient 'over there' enemy because most people didn't understand how the EU worked.

And people had no idea what Brexit would look like when they voted for it because it wasn't defined. Brexit could mean a thousand different things to a thousand different people. It was conveniently vague.

And now it will come home to roost. And unfortunately the old farts that pushed this through because they see too many foreigners in Sainsbury's will soon be dead leaving it to us youngsters to sort it out.
 
The right wing press has for decades blamed all of the UKs problems on the EU. It was drip fed to us. The EU was a convenient 'over there' enemy because most people didn't understand how the EU worked.

And people had no idea what Brexit would look like when they voted for it because it wasn't defined. Brexit could mean a thousand different things to a thousand different people. It was conveniently vague.

And now it will come home to roost. And unfortunately the old farts that pushed this through because they see too many foreigners in Sainsbury's will soon be dead leaving it to us youngsters to sort it out.
When said old farts die we can vote back into the EU, perhaps even saving the 'precious union' in the process.
 
Maybe vaccine rollout? Without being in the EU the UK could approve the vaccine quicker (I think, not 100% sure) certainly not a benefit drew up when the country voted to leave in 2016 though
Nope, utterly incorrect. Under European law a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA, but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market.

Britain was still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which ran until the end of 2020.

The UK's own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statement. And its chief executive, Dr June Raine, said that "we have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law, which exist until 1 January 2021".
 
The right wing press has for decades blamed all of the UKs problems on the EU. It was drip fed to us. The EU was a convenient 'over there' enemy because most people didn't understand how the EU worked.

And people had no idea what Brexit would look like when they voted for it because it wasn't defined. Brexit could mean a thousand different things to a thousand different people. It was conveniently vague.

And now it will come home to roost. And unfortunately the old farts that pushed this through because they see too many foreigners in Sainsbury's will soon be dead leaving it to us youngsters to sort it out.
Are there any stats on it being voted for because of 'foreigners' or is that just an easy target/reason to give?
 
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Are there any stats on it being voted for because of 'foreigners' or is that just an easy target/reason to give?
It is logical. The people that voted for Brexit also voted for the BNP, EDL, Conservatives, and other rather nasty affiliations. So foreigners will have been high on the list. No one will have voted to leave the EU on financial grounds. Apparently money only matters when it is Scotland leaving, not when it is breaking away from the most important market on our side of the world.
 
Are there any stats on it being voted for because of 'foreigners' or is that just an easy target/reason to give?
In polling...

The two main reasons people gave for voting leave was 'immigration' and 'sovereignty';
The main reason people gave for voting remain was 'protecting the economy'.

One of the biggest newspapers to back Brexit was the Daily Mail. Whilst not scientific you only have to go and read the comments section on pretty much any story to get a flavour of their mindset.
 
No one will regret Brexit, a once in a generation, indeed once in a lifetime decision, because of the existence or otherwise of roaming charges. It does go to show, however, that companies are pretty greedy and that networks that have had to pay billions for licensing 5G bandwidth are doing everything to claw back their investments, not least due to falling revenues from SMS and competition from over-the-top services offered by Google, Apple et al.

I'm in the mobile industry so I've got some insight here. Remember that a lot of UK networks are actually corporately tied in various ways to networks on the continent and there is no real extra cost on them from roaming that they couldn't easily absorb. Brexit doesn't actually impose any big cost on the networks: they are just using this as an excuse to boost revenues. I suspect legislation will come in at some point to impose restrictions on roaming charges.

And you can tell hardcore Remainers, or Remoaners as they are commonly called, when they start arguing in favour of Remain in very one-sided terms, despite the democratically held decision being made by the British people, under no duress whatsoever, back in 2016! Time to move on.

It certainly amuses me how the Remainers aren't apoplectic about, say, Switzerland or Norway not being part of the EU. They also forget that we are still tied to the EU, through the Withdrawal Agreement and other frameworks. We did not cut ourselves adrift from the rest of Europe! This is a myth. Have a look, for example, at the closeness of Franco-British cooperation, which is very extensive. Let us calm down.
 
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And unfortunately the old farts that pushed this through because they see too many foreigners in Sainsbury's will soon be dead leaving it to us youngsters to sort it out.
If we can get rid of successive rightwing governments in this country we can decide whether or not we want to rejoin the EU - yes, with all its problems and idiosyncrasies. When we were in the EU we enacted a lot of change and improvement. We helped to design and create the Single Market.

For a helpful reminder this page shows just how much the Vote Leave group (who are now in government) misrepresented the facts. We voted for EU laws most of the time: "The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999". We were hardly being held back by the EU. All the EU ever did was make everything easier. All Brexit will ever do is make everything harder, especially trade. The UK is the only country in history to ever make it harder to trade.
 
In polling...

The two main reasons people gave for voting leave was 'immigration' and 'sovereignty';
The main reason people gave for voting remain was 'protecting the economy'.
The immigration one is a bit daft. The ones these people don't want in their country are still coming over by the boat and plane load while the ones that are really needed like dentists and tatty pickers are stuck unable to get in.
 
No one will regret Brexit, a once in a generation, indeed once in a lifetime decision, because of the existence or otherwise of roaming charges. It does go to show, however, that companies are pretty greedy and that networks that have had to pay billions for licensing 5G bandwidth are doing everything to claw back their investments, not least due to falling revenues from SMS and competition from over-the-top services offered by Google, Apple et al. I'm in the mobile industry so I've got some insight here. Remember that a lot of UK networks are actually corporately tied in various ways to networks on the continent and there is no real extra cost on them from roaming that they couldn't easily absorb. Brexit doesn't actually impose any big cost on the networks: they are just using this as an excuse to boost revenues. I suspect legislation will come in at some point to impose restrictions on roaming charges.

Yeah, Brexit talk is a huge distraction to this issue, and I think these companies will love that so many people will be sidetracked into arguing about that again, whichever ‘side’ people are on, or why they voted the way they did.
 
Can you tell us what benefits we had over 50 years? We managed before joining, and struggled ever since. We did get straight cucumbers. Remember the wine mountain, milk mountain, butter mountain, olive oil mountain? Mass production of produce no one wanted, until the Germans told France to stop their nonsense as it was bankrupting the EU. Lived through 7 secession since joining the EU. Can't the EU run anything properly? They are a glorified council. And look how all councils perform. Glad we left, the future is bright and not tied down, with dictators, unelected overpaid civil servants, wokie snowflakes who lack any skills, who lack any competency, they really couldn't run a bath. Just look how they handled the COVID crisis. This is how they have run the EU for 50 years.

Ohh, so the bad only happened to the UK since joining the EU? Let's talk in 10 years again then.

One cannot just look at the money the UK paid to the EU. What about all the other benefits? How do you think 80% of chinese products got into the EU tax-free? Through the UK (banggood, gearbest etc.). All that will be gone. Business is moving to the Netherlands or other EU "warehouses".
 
The immigration one is a bit daft. The ones these people don't want in their country are still coming over by the boat and plane load while the ones that are really needed like dentists and tatty pickers are stuck unable to get in.
The immigration one is even more daft when the mentality of most leave voters was that they want to leave the EU so we can stop muslims entering the UK..... obviouly being oblivious that muslim is a religion and not actually a country in the EU we can now block immigration from.
 
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