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Wow. What a total misrepresentation of what happened. The mention of Article 16 made its way into a Commission document as part of after hours edits to a draft document. It was never actioned; it was never implemented.

And just to get another thing clear: the British erected that border in Ireland. It is the legacy of a 400 year old ethnic cleansing project still being resolutely implemented and supported by the British government.

Ethnic cleansing? I find it amusing that you play the voice of reason and come up with such dramatic lies! Are you, perchance, an Anglophobe? You forget, for one thing, that what we today would call "the British" have been in Ireland one way or another for hundreds and hundreds of years and vice versa. And it was the native Irish, called the Scotii (Scotia denoted Ireland), who populated what we know think of as Scotland. Should be ask the Irish to stop occupying northern Britain? The UK signed the Good Friday Agreement, which more or less handed the fate of Northern Ireland over to the island of Ireland, with a provision for a future referendum on Irish unity, effective pardons for Irish terrorists and no equivalence for British soldiers who fought during the Troubles. The UK, unlike most other former colonial powers, has handed over its dominions with relative grace. The idea of ethnic cleansing is so utterly abhorrent an accusation it could only come from the naive, foolish and spiteful (and very likely that common Internet troll: the Anglophobe).
 
I can't believe that there are some people that would make political decisions which have the potential to impact multiple areas of their life on the basis of a £2 per day (TWO!!!) roaming charge for a holiday which - even though you can't actually take one freely any more - would probably have cost you hundreds if not thousands of pounds for a week or ten days! You are seriously concerned about an extra £15 or £20 cost on a multiple hundreds or thousands of pounds holiday???
And all the workers coming here or going there for weeks or months at a time? It isn't uncommon to visit the main land for a business trip... it is more common to head off to France or Germany than it is to go to Edinburgh or London for a business meeting. And all the workers on both sides that are picking fields or doing a internship, £2 a day is a lot when it isn't a holiday. All it does it further cut people off from family, friends, and colleagues.
 
That’s why I’ll never set foot in the UK anymore. Every other EU national do the same and they’ll be begging to rejoin.

That would work except for the fact we have 3.5 million EU nationals living and working in the UK and up to another 3 million who want the right to travel and live here. That is equivalent to 9% of the UK population. So don't hold your breath for that!
 
Can anybody tell me what's the big deal here? Thanks to eSIM, there are so many international plans for travelers. And what's so hard putting a local SIM in to avoid roaming charges? With services like whatsapp and other messaging services, I don't see issues of missing contacts while roaming.

Also, if there's a healthy competition between the carriers, they will compete to offer roaming deals with their own partner carriers from various countries. Eg. prepaid plans in Singapore can roam in some countries using the same local data plans.
The big deal is that we didn't have to do this before, now we do. As for healthy competition, this hasn't happened since roaming started, why would they do it now? If companies can make more money, they will and reintroducing roaming charges is evidence of that. EE (or whoever started it) decided to reintroduce, now the rest are doing it. Competition would have been for a network not to reintroduce it.
 
The big deal is that we didn't have to do this before, now we do. As for healthy competition, this hasn't happened since roaming started, why would they do it now? If companies can make more money, they will and reintroducing roaming charges is evidence of that. EE (or whoever started it) decided to reintroduce, now the rest are doing it. Competition would have been for a network not to reintroduce it.
It's not the end of the world.
 
The EU is a failed socialist club
Opinion.
with Holland, Italy & Greece (both bankrupt economies), Denmark, Poland and Hungary thinking about leaving as well.
Neither Italy or Greece actually 'went bankrupt.' What's your source for the other countries? Taking Denmark as an example, in the latest opinion poll, only 23% of those asked expressed a will to leave the EU. (Link)

UK taxpayers paid £14 billion pa, a loss of £14 billion pa, for this club with zero benefits (apart from straight cucumbers).
It's too simplistic to state that the UK sent £14B pa. In fact, even groups on the same sides of the arguments have struggled to agree on a figure. Whatever that figure is, it's ridiculous to say there were zero benefits. The freedom to live and work in any EU country. There's one.

As for straight cucumbers - there were never any rules that stated cucumbers had to straight. It was mentioned as part of guidelines on classification which were then picked up and misused by people like you. (Link)
You really don't need the Internet for anything whilst on holiday, you can still get it with free wifi.
You might not. Plenty of others do.
You do know EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax?
They don't pay income tax. They do pay another form of tax with average deductions totalling between 12%-25%. This is done to prevent them avoiding paying tax since they may not be resident in any particular country for a long enough period to qualify. They also pay VAT and all other forms of indirect taxation. Your statement is just wrong. (Link)
Poverty still exists and is growing in most EU countries. So what is the point of the EU?
Source? I don't see a relative growth in poverty levels? (Link) (Source)
Don't forget the UK nearly went bust in 1976, just 2 years after joining the nirvana the EU was promised to be. One disaster after another.
The seeds of the 1976 bailout had been sown years before, including the 1974 recession. Your statement implies that the crisis was something that the EEC either caused or failed to address which is again wrong. (Source)

See, I am neither 'remain' or 'leave.' I just can't stand misinformation being slung around as presented as fact.
 
That’s 1 view.
I prefer to look at the new opportunities we have with the rest of the world including the former and current commonwealth nations who have struggled since we joined the EU.

nothing stopping future agreements restoring these things without us being governed by the EU.
How is that going? Are these opportunities better than when we were in the EU?
 
You mean approving quicker a less effective vaccine that had more side effects. Yeah great. And despite that in many major European countries there is now a higher vaccination rate than in the U.K., so thanks to the European vaccination programme they managed to vaccinate more people than the U.K. and with better vaccines. To name a few: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Denmark… but the list goes on.
Less effective vaccine? You mean AZ? I don’t think it’s less effective. The main goal of the vaccine is to reduce death. Plus trials of AZ were done at different times with different variants so there isn’t a blanket efficacy you can take. I’m not saying the uk have done amazingly in this pandemic, probably one of the worst reactions. But they were one of the first to approve a vaccine (Pfizer was the first I believe).
 
Perhaps it’s just me but surely, if your phone is unlocked, it’ll be more beneficial to purchase a local SIM as more operators bring in fees for roaming?

Couple in the annual 4.5% increase and Three become less of an attractive option…

It is a good plan, however might be tricky, depending on the country you visit. The telecoms in France, for example, require your ID and bank account details when you sign up, even for a rolling plan. The prepaid plans, as such, barely exist here nowadays, I can only think of some outsiders, like Lebara. Not ideal, but might work for some.
 
Are there any good EU virtual sims you can buy when travelling abroad?
Another option is to use an e-sim as your main phone line, and add a local sim for data when you travel. Works out cheaper and you can still call local numbers
 
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It is a good plan, however might be tricky, depending on the country you visit. The telecoms in France, for example, require your ID and bank account details when you sign up, even for a rolling plan. The prepaid plans, as such, barely exist here nowadays, I can only think of some outsiders, like Lebara. Not ideal, but might work for some.
Aye, it used to be you could just pick up a sim anywhere. Or even a dozen. Now there are a lot of checks on them no matter where you travel. Supposedly this cuts down on fraud, but it seems it increases profits.
 
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Taking full control of the borders (as in the video below)


The irony of your post is that the Border teams are in fact taking control of the borders. You think control means, what, putting up barbed wire around the White Cliffs of Dover? Illegal migrants travelled to UK shores before Brexit and will continue to do so after Brexit. The problem here is that France is doing such a poor job at stopping them leaving France, the boats are getting bigger, decoy boats are being let out with increasing frequency, and the evil smuggler gangs are making an absolute fortune from poor migrants who are desperate to leave camps in France, risking their lives in the process.

Migration is a huge global problem, and one that will get far, far worse, especially in light of disasters such as Afghanistan and projections for African migration to Europe set to run into the millions in future years.

And, for the record, controlling the borders actually meant being able to have our own travel and immigration laws, where instead of free movement and right of settlement of any EU citizen, we would have a more Australian points-based system. In short, why have an uneducated EU citizen living here when we could allow an Indian software developer to settle here instead (to use a very simple example)? Illegal and dangerous migration over the English Channel doesn't take away the UK's right to change its border and immigration policies and stop free movement in a post-Brexit world. So those on this forum laughing at the UK not controlling its borders are setting up a straw man. This is not about illegal immigration, it's about freedom to set policy on legal immigration.

As to illegal immigration, expect the UK government to become increasingly uncompromising with this level of invasion.
 
The EU is a failed socialist club, with Holland, Italy & Greece (both bankrupt economies), Denmark, Poland and Hungary thinking about leaving as well. UK taxpayers paid £14 billion pa, a loss of £14 billion pa, for this club with zero benefits (apart from straight cucumbers). You really don't need the Internet for anything whilst on holiday, you can still get it with free wifi. It was an idea I originally thought would be good to compete with the USA, until I found out how it is funded, and how flawed it is. You do know EU bureaucrats don't pay a penny in tax? VAT rates vary in every country, laws varies in every country, incomes vary in every country, China & Japan weren't superpowers back then. The EU has failed in everything. Poverty still exists and is growing in most EU countries. So what is the point of the EU? Leaving was the best decision and will be proven, as the EU can't carry on with Diane Abbotts maths or economic policies. Don't forget the UK nearly went bust in 1976, just 2 years after joining the nirvana the EU was promised to be. One disaster after another.

Can you tell us what benefits we had over 50 years? We managed before joining, and struggled ever since. We did get straight cucumbers. Remember the wine mountain, milk mountain, butter mountain, olive oil mountain? Mass production of produce no one wanted, until the Germans told France to stop their nonsense as it was bankrupting the EU. Lived through 7 secession since joining the EU. Can't the EU run anything properly? They are a glorified council. And look how all councils perform. Glad we left, the future is bright and not tied down, with dictators, unelected overpaid civil servants, wokie snowflakes who lack any skills, who lack any competency, they really couldn't run a bath. Just look how they handled the COVID crisis. This is how they have run the EU for 50 years.
Nigel?
 
I love how this is supposedly a Brexit thing, yet three are changing their entire stance on roaming, including free data use in the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Vietnam and many other entities outside the EU. In other words, they're jumping on the "People think we're going to cancel our free roaming because of Brexit, let's cancel it now and make some extra money!" bandwagon.

Nothing to do with Brexit I'm afraid. Pure greed.
 
How is that going? Are these opportunities better than when we were in the EU?

Silly question really. For one thing, it's early days since the Withdrawal Agreement, which in many ways is still be worked on, and, for another, a certain tiny little virus has decided to cause a global catastrophe.
 
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Can you tell us what benefits we had over 50 years?
No roaming costs whenever I cross the border is one of those.

Especially since I live 5KM from one.

Not having to pay for shipments from Amazon Germany or France is another good one.

Just being able to pay in the same currency when I go across to Germany or Belgium. And not having to bother with dumb border shenanigans when I go there, that's very nice.

Then of course there's the actual major advantages to industries like, to name but one of many examples, the transport industry to be able to conduct business across borders without any financial or regulatory restrictions to make that as hard as possible.

You know, the common sense stuff the populists will conveniently leave out to have you rally behind them and make sure they keep in power. That's why Nigel's a German now, because he loves the UK and hates the EU sooo much.
 
So the UK left Europe because 37% of the adult population voted to leave? Not exactly a consensus.

Regardless if the decision was right or wrong, the bar should have been 60%, not 37%.

Everyone campaigned and voted according to known parameters. You talk as if the lack of requirement for a qualified majority was a surprise. If people don't vote, then they don't count, because they can't be counted! 52% of voters wanted out. Parliament agreed with the vote. Subsequent elections put a Brexit-supporting party back in power, most recently with a historic landslide. The democratic mandate for Brexit is unquestionable (except where Remoaners are concerned).
 
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And that, regrettably, sums up the whole shambles.
  • Roaming fees re-introduced
  • Border down the Irish Sea
  • Able to catch more fish but unable to sell them
  • Labour shortages throughout the economy thanks to the loss of thousands of EU workers (Truck Drivers, Nurses, Food Production workers to name but a few)
  • Less ability to prevent illegal immigration (look up what Dublin III mean't of which we are no longer part)
  • Loss of security (believe me, we do not have anwhere near the access to shared intelligence databases that we once did
  • Vast red tape for logsitics where there was none before
  • Damage to the City of London (Billions of £ of business lost to EU that won't be back). Thousands of high-tax-paying jobs lost as a result
And that barely scratches the suface of what people claimed was 'Project Fear' and wouldn't happen.
Meanwhile trade deals with the rest of the world, would be worse for us (lower standards, more local competition) that the one we had with the EU

And of course, if we want to sell our good to the EU (biggest export market by far) we have to follow their standards anyway, just without any say on what those standards were.
Exactly this. It's the biggest facepalm in modern history.

Every UK company that lost money due to the EU's interference in their business will re-introduce what was taken away from them by the EU. Mobile phone companies re-introducing roaming charges is only the start of it.
Telecoms companies weren't exactly struggling to make ends meet before Brexit. You're applauding unnecessary costs being enforced on consumers due to corporate greed. I'm sure billionaire CEO's the world over are grateful for your ongoing support.
 
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