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Three Foxconn Employees Charged With Leaking iPad 2 Design
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True, it's a competitive advantage, but it doesn't have much effect on Apple as they don't manufacture cases etc., and can just release the design to those companies that they want to work with in advance anyway.
They don't work for Apple they work for Foxconn. Please get your facts straight before you chastise someone. The article states Foxconn investigated and called the cops.
Its obvious you have never worked as a contractor or else you would know these things. The last thing a contractor wants to do is lose their client and will deal with employees who do something that negatively impacts the client.
"Several online shopping retailers in China were able to sell iPad 2's protective case products before the iPad 2 was even launched, leading Foxconn to suspect that there might have been some employees leaking the design of iPad 2 which it reported to the local police.
The local police on December 26, 2010, arrested three employees that were suspected of leaking the design, and officially charged the three employees for violating the company's trade secrets on March 23, 2011, the reported added."
People here have no concept of right and wrong.
One thing should be obvious to everybody here that is that the people selling these secrets knew that what they where doing was wrong. Thus they need to suffer the punishment whatever it is.
This crap about poverty as a justification is just that bull crap. Besides you can't benchmark ones position in a foreign economy against your own. Low wages, relative to your own, don't imply substandard living.
As to punishment that is up to the Chinese but I doubt it is as bad as some think here. Even if they get death it isn't really that excessive and can be proactive in getting others to follow the honorable path. Think about this country, if we simply loped off the heads of every thief and drug dealer, America would be a far nicer place to live. It is easy to criticize but we have a very high tolerance for crime in the USA and frankly that is something that is relatively new.
One thing should be obvious to everybody here that is that the people selling these secrets knew that what they where doing was wrong. Thus they need to suffer the punishment whatever it is.
This crap about poverty as a justification is just that bull crap. Besides you can't benchmark ones position in a foreign economy against your own. Low wages, relative to your own, don't imply substandard living.
As to punishment that is up to the Chinese but I doubt it is as bad as some think here. Even if they get death it isn't really that excessive and can be proactive in getting others to follow the honorable path. Think about this country, if we simply loped off the heads of every thief and drug dealer, America would be a far nicer place to live. It is easy to criticize but we have a very high tolerance for crime in the USA and frankly that is something that is relatively new.
Yes you can. A direct currency exchange means nothing, but to put it in perspective, the purchasing power in the US of someone who works a full day in a factory in the US is considerably higher than the purchasing power in China of a factory worker who works a (much longer) full day in China. In the US the employee will probably have a car, a home, a phone etc. In China they will have sub-standard accommodation and food. Just.
The rest of the post was drivel, so I didn't quote it.
So are these guys getting a fair trial? Are they exempt from cruel and unusual punishment? Oh, that's right, that little lack of human rights thing...
I really think Apple should step up and make sure these guys aren't treated unfairly or overly harshly, even *if* they leaked the design. Frankly, that would be the *only* course of action for a civilized company like Apple to do.
I really think Apple should step up and make sure these guys aren't treated unfairly or overly harshly, even *if* they leaked the design. Frankly, that would be the *only* course of action for a civilized company like Apple to do.
Remind me when you break any corporate laws and we'll hold you to the same standard. Download any copyrighted material lately? Maybe you should just get the death penalty and it would be better for everyone. Jerk.
Wow, someone who can read.
Looking at this thread i was beginning to think it was impossible.
Because normally a western company dictating a foreign countries legal system is the *only* course of action.
Apple (and many, many other large companies) deserve chastisement for their failure to properly scrutinise the actions of outsourced partners with questionable standards. They should step in.
Yes, this basically sounds like a civil matter to me (as I'm fairly certain in the US it would be) ... but this is China we're talking about.
No, you don't arrest people and put them in jail because of a dispute with their employer. You fire them and sue them.
when people say "it's China we're talking about", I wanna know how much do you really know about China and its system... from your news and tv/movie?
No, they will not get death penalty for this, and they will go to jail.
As of death penalty, don't you know there are death penalty in some states in the US? Anyways, these people are not gonna be put to sleep whether in China or the USA, don't worry.
If you can read Chinese, the source news NEVER said that those 3 people were "arrested" by police. The authority started investigating the case last year, and those 3 people were charged with Offence against Commercial Secrets. They deserve it because they probably made a lot of money of this.
Some laws are still there in a different country because they works there, or they are needed there. so don't put your western values on everything you see, just saying.
No, they will not get death penalty for this, and they will go to jail.
As of death penalty, don't you know there are death penalty in some states in the US? Anyways, these people are not gonna be put to sleep whether in China or the USA, don't worry.
If you can read Chinese, the source news NEVER said that those 3 people were "arrested" by police. The authority started investigating the case last year, and those 3 people were charged with Offence against Commercial Secrets. They deserve it because they probably made a lot of money of this.
Some laws are still there in a different country because they works there, or they are needed there. so don't put your western values on everything you see, just saying.
Geez it must be fun being an Apple employee. Everytime I go to the Apple store it really does seem like such a fun place to work.
Foxconn is a contractor for Apple. They are not Apple employees. Foxconn makes a ton of parts for a number of manufacturers, including Apple. They also make their own name-branded parts as well.
Foxconn, not Apple, are the ones who went after the leak and pursued them to be arrested. Apple is a very large client of Foxconn's, so that's why they want to make sure they keep Apple happy by keeping leaks to a minimum. So if anyone thinks this too "harsh" of punishment, they need to blame Foxconn, not Apple.
Don't tell me where to put my western values. It is not government's job to uphold the corporatocracy by putting employees in jail whenever their employer doesn't like what they did. Even worse in a communist country where the "employer" and the government might be one and the same. I have every right to know how governments treat their citizens if I might be buying their products.
In general, trade secrets are a civil matter in the US, not a criminal matter - there is no arrest, there is no go to jail, it is a financial matter.
If this article is wrong and these people were not "arrested" as the article says, then the article absolutely needs to be corrected.
The larger and more popular Apple becomes as a company, the harder it will become for them to keep such a tight lid on what we're not supposed to see. From the first iPhone to the last, look at their ability to keep their unreleased projects away from the tech blogs. It will only get worst.
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I would've agreed with you if everything you said are ture, however, even in the Us where the law is so perfect, theft of trade secert is still a feredal crime.
Anyways, dispite the fact they did commit the crime, you can't assume everything has everything to do with the government. Saying a Taiwanese owned company, foxconn, might be the same as Chinese government is simply false. And what make you so sure about the arrest did happened? Because you think this is how things are in china? Lol
I know what your point is, but you just like so many chinese people, blame their very own failur on the goverment. Yea those manufactur workers should have more pay, better benefits and better life, if you can tell apple and many western international corperations pay the poor chinese people more, than again, you might not afford your iphone ipad and your computers, and cars and many many other things.
I might be wrong about this, but you sure you dont have anything made in a country where worker paid 0.20 per day?
But no one in china only earn only 0.20/day, so this is also not true....I dont know how you guys came up with this.....