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This is only available for schools who use Blackboard for their ID card, which is only one segment of the market. As Apple works with other vendors (such as CBORD), hopefully this will expand. I believe Auburn uses CBORD.
Yeah this so far is Blackboard Transact campuses. Though I totally am going to poke the CBORD powers that be when I'm at their annual user group conference next week. I'm with you on thinking that Auburn is a CBORD campus.
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My university already has these readers installed on every door. My iPhone and Apple watch make it beep... so why exactly is this roll out so slow? I feel like this is nothing more than adding a student ID to ApplePay.

The article would be a lot more useful (for me) if it provided details on what a campus IT team needed to activate this. You know, so I could bug them about it.
Well first of all your school needs to be using Blackboard Transact and second the backend stuff will be at least sorta like your bank with Apple Pay.
 
Nice idea though I wouldn't use it.

Fumbling with a $750-1500 device repeatedly to get into buildings or buy things is nowhere as convenient as slaping a plastic card against a reader. You use this a lot more than Apple pay (which also is annoying since they required that double press a button to activate).

Fumbling repeatedly? You might be surprised to learn that most university students aren’t 70 years of age with cataracts and carpal-tunnel. I use Apple Pay every day, even on the tube, and never fumbled once. I find it far more convenient than digging through my wallet to extract the appropriate card. And my cards don’t even support Express Mode - the mode you would have known about had you bothered to read the article before commenting.
 
Well first of all your school needs to be using Blackboard Transact and second the backend stuff will be at least sorta like your bank with Apple Pay.

That won’t happen. Our university abandoned Blackboards LMS a few years ago. What if a school just wants to use smart devices to control room access without giving another company access to said information?
 
is this possible due to Express Card capability?
It is express card.
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My university already has these readers installed on every door. My iPhone and Apple watch make it beep... so why exactly is this roll out so slow? I feel like this is nothing more than adding a student ID to ApplePay.

The article would be a lot more useful (for me) if it provided details on what a campus IT team needed to activate this. You know, so I could bug them about it.
I saw the following quote on article from a campus card trade pubilication: "Blackboard reports significant interest from campuses nationwide. “We announced the initial six campuses in the summer, but interest is already very high and we’re expecting strong adoption and implementation beyond this group in 2019,” Staples says."
So it's possible if your school is using Blackboard Transact they may have already gotten in line.
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That won’t happen. Our university abandoned Blackboards LMS a few years ago. What if a school just wants to use smart devices to control room access without giving another company access to said information?
Sorry I missed your reply, though remember this is Blackboard's card services not classroom services and I don't think Apple or Blackboard sees anything from the university.
 
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It is express card.
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I saw the following quote on article from a campus card trade pubilication: "Blackboard reports significant interest from campuses nationwide. “We announced the initial six campuses in the summer, but interest is already very high and we’re expecting strong adoption and implementation beyond this group in 2019,” Staples says."
So it's possible if your school is using Blackboard Transact they may have already gotten in line.
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Sorry I missed your reply, though remember this is Blackboard's card services not classroom services and I don't think Apple or Blackboard sees anything from the university.

Ok. So here is the $64k question: if you have NFC chips in IDs for room access, meal plans and “campus-branded cash”/Visa cards already why would a university pay money to add this? What does this platform do that any financially sensitive institution would even look at?
 
What do you do at a cash only restaurant?
None here that I know of. If there were I’d just go somewhere else.
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Ok. So here is the $64k question: if you have NFC chips in IDs for room access, meal plans and “campus-branded cash”/Visa cards already why would a university pay money to add this? What does this platform do that any financially sensitive institution would even look at?
If they use BlackBoard Transact already I’m sure the cost of this is nothing to nominal.
 
Won't be happening on my campus anytime soon as they require your student ID card to be on your desk when you write an exam or test.
 
Putting aside the other stuff for a moment: you don't need to double press to activate these.

That's because unlike credit cards in Apple Pay, these cards are stored value cards like Japanese Suica cards. This means they can be set as the Express Card in Wallet, which allows them to be activated simply by holding them against the reader - no double click required and no Face ID/Touch ID to authorise.

Express Card/Transit in Wallet has been available since the FeliCa standard (NFC-F) was introduced in Japanese specific iPhone 7 and Series 3, then last year all models globally were capable of it in iPhone 8 and iPhone X. This year the iPhone XS and XR take it a step further, with Express Cards using FeliCa being capable of continuing to work once the phone has entered reserve power mode.

Edit: It looks like these cards aren't FeliCa though, because iPhone 6 is supported... unless they're using FeliCa for newer models and some other form of middleware to support older models. Very interesting!
This sounds incredibly convenient, and I wonder how long it’ll be till we can get this kind of technology on our front door? I have always wanted a smart lock but would love the convenience of just being able to tap my watch to the door instead of fumbling with Siri/HomeKit/ separate app
 
Makes sense for Phoenix (if that's where you are)
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How many cards do you carry? You know you don't have to carry your life in your wallet right?
Yep, Phoenix. Our buses and trains also came out with a new app that allows you to buy a day pass inside of an app- that accepts Apple Pay. One less reason to need cash (though you never needed it prior to the app if you bought your pass at a train station/transit center/a store beforehand)

The new parking meters also take cards/Apple Pay.
 
Been using this around the OU campus today; got lunch with it about an hour ago and used it to get back into my building and room. It's great, especially with Express Mode on the Watch.
Any chance you could record yourself doing this? I'd love to see it in action but can only find still images of people's IDs :/
 
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Putting aside the other stuff for a moment: you don't need to double press to activate these.

That's because unlike credit cards in Apple Pay, these cards are stored value cards like Japanese Suica cards. This means they can be set as the Express Card in Wallet, which allows them to be activated simply by holding them against the reader - no double click required and no Face ID/Touch ID to authorise.

Express Card/Transit in Wallet has been available since the FeliCa standard (NFC-F) was introduced in Japanese specific iPhone 7 and Series 3, then last year all models globally were capable of it in iPhone 8 and iPhone X. This year the iPhone XS and XR take it a step further, with Express Cards using FeliCa being capable of continuing to work once the phone has entered reserve power mode.

Edit: It looks like these cards aren't FeliCa though, because iPhone 6 is supported... unless they're using FeliCa for newer models and some other form of middleware to support older models. Very interesting!

hi friednoodles.

great post. appreciate it.

i think you are right that the functionality for these cards is not based on Felica.

i wonder about the japanese suica card "stored value card" mention, though.
i think that felica has a much shorter time standard permitted for the transaction to be completed (so that it can be able to keep up with millisecond transportation turnstile requirements).
so i think that it is a not a stored value card in that sense. the transaction is in fact done in real time on the network server, not locally.
there is actually an issue now in Japan where many iPhone X users have where about 20% of their transit usage attempts is failing (but now fixed in iPhone Xs) due to time lag problems.

i have a question for you:
on the USA spec site for iPhone Xs, there is no explicit mention of felica in the specs.
you are right in yr post that earlier iPhone models, even if purchased in the USA, had felica capability.
on the Japan spec site for iPhone Xs it does mention mention felica in the spec specifically )along with NFC and Reader mode (Express Card).
i wonder why the USA site has stopped explicitly specifying felica in the specs of these new iPhone models.

thanks.
 
Any chance you could record yourself doing this? I'd love to see it in action but can only find still images of people's IDs :/
It's nothing terribly exciting to watch...you just hold the device up to a reader and it scans automatically with Express Mode enabled. I'll try to get a video later though.
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Any chance you could record yourself doing this? I'd love to see it in action but can only find still images of people's IDs :/
Update: Here you go. Apologies for the sketchy/vertical video.
 
hi friednoodles.

great post. appreciate it.

i think you are right that the functionality for these cards is not based on Felica.

i wonder about the japanese suica card "stored value card" mention, though.
i think that felica has a much shorter time standard permitted for the transaction to be completed (so that it can be able to keep up with millisecond transportation turnstile requirements).
so i think that it is a not a stored value card in that sense. the transaction is in fact done in real time on the network server, not locally.
there is actually an issue now in Japan where many iPhone X users have where about 20% of their transit usage attempts is failing (but now fixed in iPhone Xs) due to time lag problems.

i have a question for you:
on the USA spec site for iPhone Xs, there is no explicit mention of felica in the specs.
you are right in yr post that earlier iPhone models, even if purchased in the USA, had felica capability.
on the Japan spec site for iPhone Xs it does mention mention felica in the spec specifically )along with NFC and Reader mode (Express Card).
i wonder why the USA site has stopped explicitly specifying felica in the specs of these new iPhone models.

thanks.

Hi niji,

The "stored value" has several parts - some of it is in the card ("offline"), some of it is in the central network ("online"). The card does store its balance, including other data like the most recent 20 transactions. This can be read directly from the card offline, which facilitates instant transaction completion. The terminal then contacts the central network online to record the transaction, allowing a registered card's balance to be recovered if a card is lost. But this happens after the transaction has already been completed on the card offline. (Suica cards supporting auto top-up, like VIEW, is a special case - the top-up process occurs at the terminal in "online" mode when it detects the card balance is low)

You can read the stored value data directly off the card yourself, including the 20 most recent transactions, using special NFC readers or with Android apps like Suikakeibo.

All of this is different to credit card, where the card never knows its balance and the success or failure of the transaction can only be determined by contacting the card's issuing bank first.

Additionally, as you mention, FeliCa/NFC-F specifications are superior for transit: much faster communications completion with the card (50ms), a much lower maximum time for transaction completion (200ms, and usually it's lower), and much longer reading distance (85mm as a minimum). NFC-A/B is instead about 500ms for communications completion, transaction completion may be several seconds due to contacting the issuing bank, and the reading distance is much shorter (20mm as a minimum).

The problem you mention regarding the iPhone X with Suica is not necessarily because of the fast transaction speed, but because of a hardware fault with some iPhone X's manufactured before April 2018 that causes communication failure between the terminal and the iPhone X (it is more likely to happen in the frequent and fast environment of transit use in Japan, but also affects users of NFC-A/B outside Japan too). You can get your iPhone X replaced with an iPhone X manufactured after April 2018 to solve the problem. See https://atadistance.net/2018/08/26/iphone-x-suica-mondai-exchange-guide-jp/ on how to do this. (yes, it's annoying that Apple of course will not publicly acknowledge the faults in pre-April 2018 units)

Regarding Apple mentioning FeliCa on the Japan specs page but not on the USA specs page: it is just differences in advertising for the market. Outside Japan, Apple wants to promote payments on iPhone as the "Apple Pay" brand only, but in Japan people want to know if a phone supports FeliCa and will look for it in the specs, so they have to list it there. This is not something that was just changed for the iPhone XS, as in many countries (like Australia, where NFC payments are widespread) the iPhone 8 and iPhone X never mentioned anything except "Apple Pay" even though those models support FeliCa. It's just because Apple wants to promote the "Apple Pay" brand and name as a priority.
 
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Has no one thought about how bad of an idea it is to allow the IDs to be used without authentication? They should always require authentication.
 
I’m in the US, I never carried cash for ten years. Most people I know don’t either. I use Apple Pay and my Chip & PIN debit card daily.
That’s odd given Apple Pay didn’t launch until 2015, plus I believe chip and pin is relatively new in the U.S.

I don’t think you’ve had contactless cards long either as your banking systems didn’t support the EMV standards.
 
Hi niji,

The "stored value" has several parts - some of it is in the card ("offline"), some of it is in the central network ("online"). The card does store its balance, including other data like the most recent 20 transactions. This can be read directly from the card offline, which facilitates instant transaction completion. The terminal then contacts the central network online to record the transaction, allowing a registered card's balance to be recovered if a card is lost. But this happens after the transaction has already been completed on the card offline. (Suica cards supporting auto top-up, like VIEW, is a special case - the top-up process occurs at the terminal in "online" mode when it detects the card balance is low)

You can read the stored value data directly off the card yourself, including the 20 most recent transactions, using special NFC readers or with Android apps like Suikakeibo.

All of this is different to credit card, where the card never knows its balance and the success or failure of the transaction can only be determined by contacting the card's issuing bank first.

Additionally, as you mention, FeliCa/NFC-F specifications are superior for transit: much faster communications completion with the card (50ms), a much lower maximum time for transaction completion (200ms, and usually it's lower), and much longer reading distance (85mm as a minimum). NFC-A/B is instead about 500ms for communications completion, transaction completion may be several seconds due to contacting the issuing bank, and the reading distance is much shorter (20mm as a minimum).

The problem you mention regarding the iPhone X with Suica is not necessarily because of the fast transaction speed, but because of a hardware fault with some iPhone X's manufactured before April 2018 that causes communication failure between the terminal and the iPhone X (it is more likely to happen in the frequent and fast environment of transit use in Japan, but also affects users of NFC-A/B outside Japan too). You can get your iPhone X replaced with an iPhone X manufactured after April 2018 to solve the problem. See https://atadistance.net/2018/08/26/iphone-x-suica-mondai-exchange-guide-jp/ on how to do this. (yes, it's annoying that Apple of course will not publicly acknowledge the faults in pre-April 2018 units)

Regarding Apple mentioning FeliCa on the Japan specs page but not on the USA specs page: it is just differences in advertising for the market. Outside Japan, Apple wants to promote payments on iPhone as the "Apple Pay" brand only, but in Japan people want to know if a phone supports FeliCa and will look for it in the specs, so they have to list it there. This is not something that was just changed for the iPhone XS, as in many countries (like Australia, where NFC payments are widespread) the iPhone 8 and iPhone X never mentioned anything except "Apple Pay" even though those models support FeliCa. It's just because Apple wants to promote the "Apple Pay" brand and name as a priority.

thanks very much for this valuable and insightful info.
 
That’s odd given Apple Pay didn’t launch until 2015, plus I believe chip and pin is relatively new in the U.S.

I don’t think you’ve had contactless cards long either as your banking systems didn’t support the EMV standards.
We had Contactless cards way before EMV, it was called MSD Contactless. Before Chip & PIN, debit cards had Swipe & PIN, like Australia. My Wells Fargo debut since 2008 had Contactless and no chip.

Sure we have EMV now, and it’s all & mostly upgraded to EMV Contactless to facilitate Apple Pay & chip cards.
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Has no one thought about how bad of an idea it is to allow the IDs to be used without authentication? They should always require authentication.
Regular ID cards have no authentication either. The authentication is you having and carrying it. They can always deactivate the virtual card like they do the plastic ones on the back end.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn’t use his Apple Watch to pay for things? I’ve always found the ‘double press and hold your wrist here for a while, hoping it works’ motion to be awkward on my Series 3. Maybe when I upgrade my iPhone 7 Plus and no longer have Touch ID, it will change. I just find pulling out my phone with my finger on the sensor less awkward. *shrug*
 
We had Contactless cards way before EMV, it was called MSD Contactless. Before Chip & PIN, debit cards had Swipe & PIN, like Australia. My Wells Fargo debut since 2008 had Contactless and no chip.

Sure we have EMV now, and it’s all & mostly upgraded to EMV Contactless to facilitate Apple Pay & chip cards.
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Regular ID cards have no authentication either. The authentication is you having and carrying it. They can always deactivate the virtual card like they do the plastic ones on the back end.


True, but it's still a good question to ask, and one way in which they could make it more secure for university students. :)
 
You using HID for that? As it happens I'm in town this week and would like to see that in action. Should I swing by and say hi to you and MS?

Hey JL! No, home-grown. We asked HID at the time we were looking to invest and they said they had nothing planned, so we developed Presence. Then they came out with their solution a few months later, but we're honestly not too sad that we went our own path because HID's solution has a number of drawbacks compared to ours - both in features as well as manageability.
 
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