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Nothing positive was achieved in this incident. .

Err - a man with a damaged passport has been rightly turned away and thus given the opportunity to replace his passport with an un-damaged one.

Border control can not and must not be a judgement call. You arrive with documents in good order, or you do not pass. End of argument.
 
Britain ought to hold a referendum on whether it wants to be in europe or not. If the people decide they do then it should do away with the requirement for passports within the EU.

Simply saying "end of argument" is very dogmatic and counter to discussion. PS. Err means to be mistaken, in error and you are!:p:D
 
http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/apply-replacing-what.asp

"if your passport is damaged beyond reasonable wear and tear, carriers may refuse to let you travel. For this reason we recommend that you apply for a replacement as soon as possible."

There is no debate here. Your passport should be in good condition. If it isn't you can be refused travel. The onus is on the traveller to prove identity, not the border to assume it.

Doug
 
http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/apply-replacing-what.asp

"if your passport is damaged beyond reasonable wear and tear, carriers may refuse to let you travel. For this reason we recommend that you apply for a replacement as soon as possible."

There is no debate here. Your passport should be in good condition. If it isn't you can be refused travel. The onus is on the traveller to prove identity, not the border to assume it.

Doug

Please define "reasonable wear & tear" for a 9 year old document that could have been well used? Yes you should order a replacement, and he was probably due to order one soon anyway as most passports don't go beyond ten years.

Anyway, in some places these days all it is is a proof of id, you don't get many stamps saying you went here or there etc. Surely a secondary government id (drivers license) could be used to validate the identity, especially given they were travelling on a return trip and you had other family members with the same name etc etc.

Also, if the passport was really so bad, why wasn't he refused to travel on previous occasions? Oops i'm sorry sir, the laminate is delaminted 0.00007 inches too far, better luck next time.
 
I will say it's better this than what happened to me. Us in the military back in the day had ID cards that were laminated (this is way before the credit card style cards they have now) and my lamination got so 'thumbed' that I was able to slip a picture of Han Solo over my picture and run around the base with it, I used it at the BX and they checked them on the way in and when you purchased, at the gate, etc and each time no one noticed that I was NOT Han Solo.

During basic training in the military the drill instructors would gain access to the dorm (the doors are pre-locked from the outside) by holding up ID's to the window. We were required to check the name on the ID AND the picture. They would often time, hold up fake ID's wither with the picture correct and the name different OR the picture incorrect and the name correct to test us to see if we're doing our job by checking BOTH things. I got tested with a picture of Micky mouse on the badge. I had him yelling at me though the glass telling me to let him in and I refused until he held up the proper ID card.

So in a way I can see the how the airline rep did what they did.

Wow, now THAT's entertaining.
 
Anyway, in some places these days all it is is a proof of id, you don't get many stamps saying you went here or there etc. Surely a secondary government id (drivers license) could be used to validate the identity, especially given they were travelling on a return trip and you had other family members with the same name etc etc.

The passport, along with your birth certificate, is actually one of the most important pieces of identification you have. If your most important piece of ID, one which allows you to fly internationally, is compromised, then you shouldn't be allowed to fly to another country. If you're not rejected at your home airport, you can still be rejected once you get to your destination, as THEY may not like your passport. Better to get it taken care of early, no?

And besides, it's silly to believe you don't receive stamps anymore. My 4 year old passport has over 90. I actually ran out of clean pages.

Also, if the passport was really so bad, why wasn't he refused to travel on previous occasions? Oops i'm sorry sir, the laminate is delaminted 0.00007 inches too far, better luck next time.

What if it was de-laminated 0.5"? You're just trying to juse an obscenely low number to make a point.


Even as a 22 year old, I was responsible enough with my passport to have had it replaced once, because I felt it was a risk to get rejected at an airport. My passport got slightly "moist" in northern England because I was carrying it in the front pocket of my jeans (or maybe jacket?) and the jacket or jeans got a bit wet. My passport was fine. None of the pages inside were wet at all. They looked clean. However, the outer edge of the pages were a bit crinkly due to the water, and the front looked a bit messy due to being wet as well. I didn't want to be rejected at any airport, so I got a lawyer to verify that it was damaged as reported, and I got a new one.

It's his fault because he wasn't careful.
 
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