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'Thunderbolt 5' Would Enable Dual 8K Display Support and More on Macs
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Mockletoy
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Meanwhile, I just installed the Ventura RC and finished filing yet another bug report Apple will ignore regarding their decision to break DisplayPort stream compression support on Intel Macs back in Catalina and then never acknowledge or fix it. In order to use my external display at its full potential, I can either go back a few macOS versions or install Windows ... or, you know, toss out my perfectly capable machine and buy an Apple Silicon replacement that will Just Work. Until they decide to break it, too.
AppleTO
macrumors 68000
Super… and meanwhile the iPhone’s lightning port still runs at USB 2.0 speeds.
I can barely get USB 3.0 (the original) speed on most external devices. Lol
On the other hand, I don’t have any thunderbolt devices (besides the machines themselves) because they are so expensive.
I can barely get USB 3.0 (the original) speed on most external devices. Lol
On the other hand, I don’t have any thunderbolt devices (besides the machines themselves) because they are so expensive.
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Mockletoy
macrumors 6502a
It's also not exactly optimal to have a single connector and a bunch of outwardly identical cables that can each have wildly varying capabilities. I don't really know what the best solution is, but the USB ecosystem is a mess in general and seems to be getting worse.
Jumpthesnark
macrumors 68000
Because we could otherwise connect nonexistent 8K monitors to our current iPhones some day, yes.Thunderbolt is one of the standards supported by USB-C, but thanks to Tim Cook’s mediocrity, even the latest iPhone 14 Pro models are still stuck on Lightning, which delivers USB 2.0 speeds. See the thread in the link below for more details:
Will iPhone 14 be USB 2.0? Probably, since Cook is mediocre.
Apple computers have had USB 3.0 since mid-2012. That is 10 years ago. Despite that, Tim Cook, being the mediocre beancounter MBA suit that he is, has still not done anything to upgrade the connectivity on the latest iPhones. The latest iPhones use the same USB 2.0 connectivity that shipped with...forums.macrumors.com
Also, nice way to shill for your own thread 😉
If this were a USB spec, it'd be called Thunderbolt 3 SuperSpeed Monitor Only 8k dual-channel.
I run 3 5K monitors on an M1 max - you have to put one on each of the three ports, so I've had to use three element hubs to preserve connectivity. It'd be really nice to be able to daisy chain them instead.
I run 3 5K monitors on an M1 max - you have to put one on each of the three ports, so I've had to use three element hubs to preserve connectivity. It'd be really nice to be able to daisy chain them instead.
Thunderbolt 5 / USB4 80 Gbps will enable much faster external SSDs, and should also improve EGPU performance although Apple Silicon macs don’t currently support AMD Radeon cards (the driver is x86 only).
Unity451
macrumors 65816
I remember back when I had a 21" CRT monitor and thought life was good.
Thunderbolt requires 100% of features, while USB doesn't. Sort of like HDMI 2. Lets keep USB out of Thunderbolt 🙂
M1 macs don't support eGPU at all. Not a driver problem from what I understand - it's the hardware. Apple's really proud of the GPU in the Mx series, so I'll be surprised if we ever see support.
smithrh
macrumors 68030
Consider yourself lucky.
I've had both USB-C connectors and ports go bad. There are 3rd party cable doohickeys to hold the cables into the ports, that shouldn't be needed.
Oh well.
SenorWhyMe
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What you do is you divide anything they say it does by 20 and that’s what it actually does.
Not go bad just not FIT WELL, and it's less the cables, more the sockets on various devices.
WHY?
Why does a USB-C enclosure for an NVME drive cost under twenty dollars but a Thunderbolt enclosure is $120 plus?
Some people might really want to run a large array of 4K or 8K monitors of that size. It's not out of the question at all.
Macintosh Quadra 840av
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Depends on what I'm doing. For office work, I'd rather have the 8K—I look at a lot of PDFs, and have many windows open, so both pixel density and a lot of space is good for me. For gaming, I'd definitely go for 120Hz+.
We've hit that point for flat monitors—6K is about the limit of useful with a fixed head position—but for curved monitors it could definitely go higher. I use three 4k displays, and I would love to replace that with a single curved 10240×4320.
snak-atak
macrumors 6502
VampyricGentleman
macrumors 6502
snak-atak
macrumors 6502
But you’ll still need to figure out which are USB-C cables and which are TB3, 4, or 5. Plug the wrong one in and you limit your bandwidth no matter what hardware is in your Mac.