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Intel today previewed the next generation of Thunderbolt, which would enable ultra-fast data transfer speeds and improved external display support on future Macs that incorporate the standard when it launches in 2023 or later.

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The next generation of Thunderbolt will deliver up to 80 Gbps of bandwidth in each direction, allowing for up to 2× faster data transfer speeds between future Macs and external storage drives that support the standard compared to current speeds. The next generation of Thunderbolt will also have a mode that allows for up to 120 Gbps bandwidth for external displays, which would allow a Mac to support up to dual 8K displays at 60Hz.

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The latest 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models are equipped with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 ports with up to 40 Gbps of bandwidth in each direction.

Currently, no Macs support 8K displays on a plug-and-play basis. The latest 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models support up to two or three external displays at up to 6K@60Hz depending on whether the laptop is configured with the M1 Pro or M1 Max chip.

The next generation of Thunderbolt is based on the newly released USB4 version 2.0 and DisplayPort 2.1 specifications, and it is backwards compatible with previous versions of Thunderbolt, USB, and DisplayPort. Intel plans to share more details about the next generation of Thunderbolt's official name, features, and capabilities in 2023.

Article Link: 'Thunderbolt 5' Would Enable Dual 8K Display Support and More on Macs
I wonder will this standard make it to televisions.
 
WHY?

Why does a USB-C enclosure for an NVME drive cost under twenty dollars but a Thunderbolt enclosure is $120 plus?
USB-C is a connector only. It does not define speed or protocols. Thunderbolt 3/4 and Many flavors of USB use USB-C connector.

A $20 USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 enclosure will not allow the full speed of the SSD. You need USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) to get close to what a SSD can do and those enclosures are not $20.
 
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Can we please have MORE display support (as in more physical display out options) on laptops that cost less than $3000 FIRST?

I just want to be able to plug ONE more 1080p display into my M1 Pro 14" Macbook Pro along with my 2x 1440 displays so I can get work done (software engineer).

I can totally see Apple focusing on giving us 8k support but keeping the 2 display limit on all but their most expensive M1 Max computers. So frustrating.
 
USB-C is a connector only. It does not define speed or protocols. Thunderbolt 3/4 and Many flavors of USB use USB-C connector.

A $20 USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 enclosure will not allow the full speed of the SSD. You need USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) to get close to what a SSD can do and those enclosures are not $20.

I'm aware of everything you wrote.

Why does the cost of every technology except Thunderbolt go down? Thunderbolt has been this expensive from the beginning. The price does not go down. Does Intel control the price? Is this a monopoly technology?
 
"USB4 version 2.0"

That sounds so strange because the "4" is already a version number for USB. Why isn't it USB 5 or USB 4.1?
 
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Probably 2024 to get it in Macs, right?
Apple would have to incorporate Intel proprietary DRM hardware into their SoC to access the PCIe directly. Why? Since TB 4 Intel made it a requirement. Intel opensourced TB 3 and older, but not TB 4 and newer.

The following image shows why Apple has TB 3 and USB 4, not TB 4/USB 4.
 

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Hmm, not sure I understand. The image doesn't say much to me, sorry

Apple would have to incorporate Intel proprietary DRM hardware into their SoC to access the PCIe directly. Why? Since TB 4 Intel made it a requirement. Intel opensourced TB 3 and older, but not TB 4 and newer.

The following image shows why Apple has TB 3 and USB 4, not TB 4/USB 4.
 
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Thunderbolt is one of the standards supported by USB-C, but thanks to Tim Cook’s mediocrity, even the latest iPhone 14 Pro models are still stuck on Lightning, which delivers USB 2.0 speeds. See the thread in the link below for more details:

Didn’t take long for the "I hate Tim Cook Society” members to come on board. It took only 12 minutes since the story was posted.
 
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Display industry has lost its ambition of more than 4K display for a while now.
no I'm not paying $5K for 6K XDR Display.
I was hoping 8K TV would become popular just so it would bring down the costs and increase the availability on 8K monitors, or I could use an 8K TV as a monitor. There's not really much point in getting an 8K display for watching video, though.
 
If im in the Apple Store and I move the pointer on a Mac Studio with Pro Display XDR and compare it to moving the pointer on a M1 MacBook Pro, the XDR feels like the pointer is underwater- slow and sluggish. Same for all 4k screens I try and exacerbated if MacOS is performing scaling. Now we're cueing up 8k.

Wonder if that will ever be worked out? "Supporting" a screen is one thing, but I still have to pass if it feels sluggish. Is it just me?

Not only 60Hz vs 120Hz, but Bluetooth vs wired.
 
I can’t wait till they finally come out with TB20 so I can use 4 100K monitors because I can see all the pixels on a 4K monitor.
 
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I was hoping 8K TV would become popular just so it would bring down the costs and increase the availability on 8K monitors, or I could use an 8K TV as a monitor. There's not really much point in getting an 8K display for watching video, though.
I hear you but let’s put it into perspective, a 65inch tv 8K is 135PPI, that’s sad since the phone you’re holding has 400+ PPI.

We won’t see 8K content anytime soon but technology isn’t progressing that fast ether.
 
I can’t wait till they finally come out with TB20 so I can use 4 100K monitors because I can see all the pixels on a 4K monitor.
Totally. People are always looking at the next thing and never being happy with what is offered.
 
I hear you but let’s put it into perspective, a 65inch tv 8K is 135PPI, that’s sad since the phone you’re holding has 400+ PPI.

We won’t see 8K content anytime soon but technology isn’t progressing that fast ether.
Not really. Anyone who sits (at best) an arms length away from a TV monitor has more problems than being able to see pixel density.
 
If im in the Apple Store and I move the pointer on a Mac Studio with Pro Display XDR and compare it to moving the pointer on a M1 MacBook Pro, the XDR feels like the pointer is underwater- slow and sluggish. Same for all 4k screens I try and exacerbated if MacOS is performing scaling. Now we're cueing up 8k.

Wonder if that will ever be worked out? "Supporting" a screen is one thing, but I still have to pass if it feels sluggish. Is it just me?
Slow and sluggish are settings you can change in settings. Mouse sensitivity
 
The numbers for naming is boring and hard to remember the differences from generation to generation, just like it is for cars. How about Thunderbolt Ross as the name?
 
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