Thunderbolt Display Stock Limited at Apple Stores Ahead of WWDC

[toke lahti]

This its a capture from a pfd from https://thunderbolttechnology.net/sites/default/files/Thunderbolt3_TechBrief_FINAL.pdf Thunderbolttechnolgy.net

So everibody argumenting against a 5K TB3 displays, this rebuts your saddest theories, TB3 Cinema Display is Coming.

Note the remaining 18 Gbps badwidth, enoug for 1 Thunderbolt 1 10Gbps data channel plus 1 USB3 5Gbps channel

Sure Apple can make a single 5k to be connected to a mac. But when the rest of industry is going to dp1.3 or 1.4, the question is can you hook a 5k from any other maker to a mac or use Apple's display with any other computer. I'd assume that others are not interested in MST workarounds when there's easier way to do it...
Maybe Apple is using MST to keep mac users buying apple's displays or selling MPs if you want dual screens...

 

[Mago]

Sure Apple can make a single 5k to be connected to a mac. But when the rest of industry is going to dp1.3 or 1.4, the question is can you hook a 5k from any other maker to a mac or use Apple's display with any other computer. I'd assume that others are not interested in MST workarounds when there's easier way to do it...
Maybe Apple is using MST to keep mac users buying apple's displays or selling MPs if you want dual screens...

The truth is until now, there in no single 5K Display W/O MST dual DP1.2, given the mainstream is looking for 4K displays (d.1,2 is very good for 4K) I doubt D.P. 1.3 to become an unavoidable feature soon, its more a selling point for video cards than an actual technical need,

Anyway, at least the Mac Pro 7,1 should include HDMI 2.0 same capabilities than D.P. 1.4, maybe the next rMBP16 to include one as differentiator the smaller 14" model just leaked wich has only TB3 or TB3/USB-C.

 

[diipii]

"because there are certain customers who want to buy everything from one "manufacturer".

Don't they know they are all made by different foreign manufacturers chosen by the best price, no questions asked about human rights, health, safety or any other minor considerations. Fat cats like Apple only really care about anything other than themselves when you grab them by the bank balance and force them to.

 

[toke lahti]

The truth is until now, there in no single 5K Display W/O MST dual DP1.2, given the mainstream is looking for 4K displays (d.1,2 is very good for 4K) I doubt D.P. 1.3 to become an unavoidable feature soon, its more a selling point for video cards than an actual technical need,

Anyway, at least the Mac Pro 7,1 should include HDMI 2.0 same capabilities than D.P. 1.4, maybe the next rMBP16 to include one as differentiator the smaller 14" model just leaked wich has only TB3 or TB3/USB-C.

Recommending someone to buy 5k monitor for the next 5-10 years with MST only is pretty much the same thing than recommending to buy 4k tv without HDR last year.

Btw, where do we need TB anymore? Usb-c can handle DP and PCIe and you can add more Alternative modes as they emerge...

Dp1.3/1.4 support on monitors is a bit like chicken-egg problem. Once the cards have it, monitors will follow...

Or, just maybe, Apple is so big muscle in the industry, that others are waiting what Apple does? There is possibility that Apple adopts dp1.4 in new macs and TB will get the legacy support like fw few years ago. This time it's a lot easier, when end user doesn't have to even notice this. All signals go through type-c connector and no tb-2-dp1.4SST adapters needed...

 

[Mago]

Recommending someone to buy 5k monitor for the next 5-10 years with MST only is pretty much the same thing than recommending to buy 4k tv without HDR last year.

Btw, where do we need TB anymore? Usb-c can handle DP and PCIe and you can add more Alternative modes as they emerge...

Dp1.3/1.4 support on monitors is a bit like chicken-egg problem. Once the cards have it, monitors will follow...

Or, just maybe, Apple is so big muscle in the industry, that others are waiting what Apple does? There is possibility that Apple adopts dp1.4 in new macs and TB will get the legacy support like fw few years ago. This time it's a lot easier, when end user doesn't have to even notice this. All signals go through type-c connector and no tb-2-dp1.4SST adapters needed...

There is absolutely no restriction on using MST over SST, SST however is cheaper and dont require special provisions on the GPU, both are capable to deliver 10bit content, HDR, Sync, there are lots of misconceptions on MST and SST.

 

[toke lahti]

There is absolutely no restriction on using MST over SST, SST however is cheaper and dont require special provisions on the GPU, both are capable to deliver 10bit content, HDR, Sync, there are lots of misconceptions on MST and SST.

Mst over sst? Care to elaborate?

This is a nice writing on how easy it is with hires displays and macs:
http://www.macvidcards.com/blog/can-it-do-4k

 

[Mago]

Mst over sst? Care to elaborate?

This is a nice writing on how easy it is with hires displays and macs:
http://www.macvidcards.com/blog/can-it-do-4k

Not a good source. sorry, as Advice I suggest you go to ArsTechnica forums for deep technical help, at least there the moderators have a commitment on forum quality.

I dont mean to say use MST on SST, but use MST or SST as options, both manage the same results, however SST is the way every monitor has worked for years, MST not new but certainly implies more cost and a GPU capable (among right drivers etc)

 

[toke lahti]

Not a good source. sorry, as Advice I suggest you go to ArsTechnica forums for deep technical help, at least there the moderators have a commitment on forum quality.

I dont mean to say use MST on SST, but use MST or SST as options, both manage the same results, however SST is the way every monitor has worked for years, MST not new but certainly implies more cost and a GPU capable (among right drivers etc)

So you are saying that there aren't any mst problems with macs anymore?
Looks like all manufacturers been on hold for 2015. Compare.eu lists 3 5k displays, 5 real4k displays and 88 uhd models. Most of >uhd are from 2014...

 

[Mago]

So you are not going to explain what you mean by "mst over sst" or give any links to reddit?
Looks like all manufacturers been on hold for 2015. Compare.eu lists 3 5k displays, 5 real4k displays and 88 uhd models. Most of >uhd are from 2014...

There is no MST over SST, that just bad writing.

To do MST (multi-stream transport) you need to link 2 video signals on a display, usually displays divide their screens on zones and attach half to a particular interface when working on MST.

You can have another MST, when yoy use a single cable to feed two different monitors, of course you need enough spare bandwidth.

 

[JDHiro]

I know some people are calling MST a half-assed solution that Apple would never use, but as a first-party hardware solution, Apple could tune the hell out of it so that it didn't feel half-assed at all.

The more I think about it, the more reasonable I think MST is as a solution.

 

[toke lahti]

I know some people are calling MST a half-assed solution that Apple would never use, but as a first-party hardware solution, Apple could tune the hell out of it so that it didn't feel half-assed at all.

The more I think about it, the more reasonable I think MST is as a solution.

Mst is a solution to link macs and apple's displays together. Don't look outside the distortion field...

 

[macduke]

i got the 34" dell ultra wide instead, gives me extra workspace/multi passing

I've really thought about it. But I like to buy once and keep it as long as possible. Especially for monitors. For me, those ultra wides are cool and at a decent price but it's just a stop gap. My decent iMac display at work tides me over enough—I often work on personal stuff over lunch or after work. My current display at home is from 2008, lol. An $800 27" H-IPS display that started color shifting beyond calibration fixes a couple years ago and now I don't use it much except for gaming on my Xbox One (it has decent 8ms response times for an IPS). I'm really all about wanting to have a retina display moving forward. My rMBP and iOS devices have spoiled me. And yes, I'm a designer and yes, I need to design for retina. I'm also a photographer so having the extra sharpness at all times would be nice, especially at such a large display size. Most likely I'm going to pick up a new 5k iMac next year on the 10nm Cannonlake chips. Although I said the same thing last year about Skylake, lol. At least by then 5K should never lag, even slightly. I hope!

 

[jterp7]

^i can one up you and say I'm waiting for iMac to get 1080 which is probably never. I do miss some of the old convenience aspects of the tb display, but functionally its been great and the screen quality is as best for a matte that you can get.