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Thunderbolt Display vs Dell U2713H/U2713HM?

Kobayagi said:
Huh? Just a few post above this one, you defended the Dell and bashed the thunderbolt one, what happened? xD:confused:
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Both are true. The only advantages of the Apple displays are perfect gradients and blacks. You simply don't get that in any other monitor unless you pay $3k+. The colour range is far more limited at sRGB and movies look really dull on it.

For any other multi purpose home usage the Dell Ultrasharps are far more useful. How useful is a monitor that can only be connected to a Thunderbolt port?! The Apple display will not even work on a regular GPU's DisplayPort.
 
KurianOfBorg said:
Both are true. The only advantages of the Apple displays are perfect gradients and blacks. You simply don't get that in any other monitor unless you pay k+. The colour range is far more limited at sRGB and movies look really dull on it.

For any other multi purpose home usage the Dell Ultrasharps are far more useful. How useful is a monitor that can only be connected to a Thunderbolt port?! The Apple display will not even work on a regular GPU's DisplayPort.
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Ah well, I'm really interested, but I find it too expensive, especially when I look at the Dell ones, which are as you say better for all round use. It's just, I find the thunderbolt one extremely good looking :p and that matters to me a lot. :mad:

Since I would watch a lot of movies on it and use it for video editing/college work, I'm not sure it's the right one for me.

Atm, I got a Asus MX239H, which is also very nice and doesn't reflect sun light much.
 
Kobayagi said:
Ah well, I'm really interested, but I find it too expensive, especially when I look at the Dell ones, which are as you say better for all round use. It's just, I find the thunderbolt one extremely good looking :p and that matters to me a lot. :mad:

Since I would watch a lot of movies on it and use it for video editing/college work, I'm not sure it's the right one for me.

Atm, I got a Asus MX239H, which is also very nice and doesn't reflect sun light much.
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I'd suggest the Dell UP2414Q. It's a $699 PremierColour 4K IPS 24" monitor. I can't suggest a 27" monitor since ALL of them suck right now. The U2713H has severe ghosting and overdrive problems.
 
KurianOfBorg said:
I'd suggest the Dell UP2414Q. It's a PremierColour 4K IPS 24" monitor. I can't suggest a 27" monitor since ALL of them suck right now. The U2713H has severe ghosting and overdrive problems.
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Thanks, I'll look into that, but I'm not sure how my MacBook Air will cope with a 4K screen. ^^
 
KurianOfBorg said:
I'd suggest the Dell UP2414Q. It's a $699 PremierColour 4K IPS 24" monitor. I can't suggest a 27" monitor since ALL of them suck right now. The U2713H has severe ghosting and overdrive problems.
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Actually the price of that dell is $1399. I must say that I have seen no reports of these issues with the 2713h in detailed reviews, like tftcentral.
 
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Hello All,

I know I am late to the party but how about connecting the 27 inch MAC to a 27 inch Planar Helium Touch Screen monitor. I have a 27 inch 2013 iMac that I would like to use with a second monitor at times. I also have a Toshiba laptop running Window8 hence the touchscreen suggestion. I have poor vision and need a large screen to be comfortable. Eventually I would like to get a Macbook to use with a second monitor so this Planar Helium would give me the best of both worlds I think.

Just a suggestion.

I will create my own thread regarding this matter. I do not want to intrude. This has been a very informative thread. Thank you all for the good information.
 
2560x1440 at 27" is very hard to read and I have flawless vision. I'd only recommend Dell S series monitors for Windows 8 touchscreens. The touch is pretty useless IMO. Just get a regular monitor and a quality gaming mouse like the Logitech G500S or Razer DeathAdder.
 
I have a 23 inch Android tablet and a Windows 8.1 Toshiba laptop. Both are far easier to navigate using the touch of a finger than a keyboard or the magic mouse. I am able to re size pages with two finger.

For a person with my vision touch is a godsend. I just want to be able to setup a 2nd monitor for my Mac and use that monitor for my touch enabled laptop.

Different strokes.
 
CochlearArch said:
I have a 23 inch Android tablet and a Windows 8.1 Toshiba laptop. Both are far easier to navigate using the touch of a finger than a keyboard or the magic mouse. I am able to re size pages with two finger.

For a person with my vision touch is a godsend. I just want to be able to setup a 2nd monitor for my Mac and use that monitor for my touch enabled laptop.

Different strokes.
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Not if it's perpendicular on a table 2 feet in front of you. The only usable ones are the iMac clones where the screen is up in your face. If you have the laptop inbetween you and the monitor it's too far back to touch.
 
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I find it beneficial to expand the text of an article so it fills the screen from edge to edge. 27 inch screen are great.

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KurianOfBorg said:
Not if it's perpendicular on a table 2 feet in front of you. The only usable ones are the iMac clones where the screen is up in your face. If you have the laptop inbetween you and the monitor it's too far back to touch.
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I would not use that set up. Simply close the laptop stand the screen up and I am good.
 
I've just bought Dell U2713H and I regret it, deeply.

I'm using rMBP (mid 2013), connected via DP in 1.2 mode.

The first thing I've noticed is fuzziness of the image. So it happens that the monitor ships with "Sharpness" setting set to 50, which runs some vanila sharpening algorithm (on digital input picture!!!). After fixing that, I've noticed weird looking colours. There's bunch of useless modes like "cinema" or "game" (which didn't reduce input lag too much), and then there are "Standard" and "Color space" (or something along the lines).

I was expecting a well-calibrated colours with the last one, but then there are separate gamma settings (one of MAC or PC, wut?), brightness/contrast, and then there are separate colour settings (including a "calibrated" semi-option).

I know I can ditch the factory calibration, buy a colorimeter and do everything myself, but I was expecting at least "decent" colour matching after plugging the monitor, esp. that MacOSx detects the monitor and downloads color profile for the monitor, not mentioning the monitor is factory-calibrated (you get this calibration report in the box).

So after much time wasted trying to make it "look good" at least, I was struggling between "Standard" mode which gave me saturated colours and decent grays (but ugly, oversaturated reds, almost going into pink, and oversaturated blues, which had cyan tint) , and "Color profile" which gave me "calibrated" but washed out colours, quirky gamma (grays cut off) and fuzzy dark-gray (my IDE software uses a dark-gray as a background, and the text was hard to read in this setting).


But that wasn't my biggest problem... I had a full working day with the monitor, and during the day I noticed weird artifacting when I moved browser windows or black outlines on white background. You can clearly see the problem using something like Adobe Illustrator or Corel Draw, when moving a wireframe rectangle or just a thin window across a white background --- there was butt-ugly and very visible green ghosting/trailing. Even slow movement of a dark line over light background produced very visible greenish trail spanning 10-50 pixels!!!

What's more, windows in MacOSx have those small round bubble in top-left corner, where is where I first noticed white ghosting on those. So basically moving a "Messages" window (a combination of frame, text, user avatars and buttons) produces a combination of green-white-gray ghosting across the whole thing!

I've spent another 20 minutes trying to fight it, changing dp modes, resolutions, different "preset" settings, color profiles, brightness, contrast, gamma.... NOTHING helps!

The revision on this thing is A07.

I'll be returning the monitor ASAP as I highly doubt it can get any better with replacement items... unless you have any other ideas how to proceed.
 
The U2713H is broken out of the box on the 2013 MBP specifically. It detects as a HDTV and the MBP outputs severely broken colours and fuzziness. Set the sharpness back to 50 and run this patch to fix it: http://embdev.net/topic/284710#3027030

The green ghosting and black trails while srcolling are because it uses very different overdrive timing from other other monitors which your eyes are not used to. Once you use it for a few days the ghosting and black tails will completely disappear.

This monitor HAS to be calibrated in order to use Standard mode. The built in profiles on Mac are only for sRGB mode. Setting the monitor to sRGB mode will severely limit its colour range and makes it look dull compared to Standard.
 
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KurianOfBorg said:
The U2713H is broken out of the box on the 2013 MBP specifically. It detects as a HDTV and the MBP outputs severely broken colours and fuzziness. Set the sharpness back to 50 and run this patch to fix it: http://embdev.net/topic/284710#3027030

The green ghosting and black trails while srcolling are because it uses very different overdrive timing from other other monitors which your eyes are not used to. Once you use it for a few days the ghosting and black tails will completely disappear.

This monitor HAS to be calibrated in order to use Standard mode. The built in profiles on Mac are only for sRGB mode. Setting the monitor to sRGB mode will severely limit its colour range and makes it look dull compared to Standard.
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After doing all those things will the display look good or should I better buy an iMac?

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KurianOfBorg said:
The U2713H is broken out of the box on the 2013 MBP specifically. It detects as a HDTV and the MBP outputs severely broken colours and fuzziness. Set the sharpness back to 50 and run this patch to fix it: http://embdev.net/topic/284710#3027030

The green ghosting and black trails while srcolling are because it uses very different overdrive timing from other other monitors which your eyes are not used to. Once you use it for a few days the ghosting and black tails will completely disappear.

This monitor HAS to be calibrated in order to use Standard mode. The built in profiles on Mac are only for sRGB mode. Setting the monitor to sRGB mode will severely limit its colour range and makes it look dull compared to Standard.
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Did you get it solved?
 
the dells look very nice though, plus you can rotate, swivel, tilt.

has hdmi inputs as well.
 
grandM said:
After doing all those things will the display look good or should I better buy an iMac?

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Did you get it solved?
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It works fine for me. I use a U2713H with a MacBook Pro Thunderbolt port (as DisplayPort). The colours are way better than the Thunderbolt display, but the Thuderbolt display is definitely of a higher quality (but restricted to sRGB and has zero additional capabilities).
 
KurianOfBorg said:
It works fine for me. I use a U2713H with a MacBook Pro Thunderbolt port (as DisplayPort). The colours are way better than the Thunderbolt display, but the Thuderbolt display is definitely of a higher quality (but restricted to sRGB and has zero additional capabilities).
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So I can buy a mini, run the patch & the screen will look in 2560*1440 as it would look on a pc?
 
KurianOfBorg said:
There is no point in buying a colour accurate monitor then.
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I already have the monitor. I'm about to buy a mac. If the dell u2713h works perfect with the mini, I'll go mini. If not I'm buying iMac.

Your dell is connected to the mini now? Do you also have a Microsoft pc?
 
grandM said:
I already have the monitor. I'm about to buy a mac. If the dell u2713h works perfect with the mini, I'll go mini. If not I'm buying iMac.

Your dell is connected to the mini now? Do you also have a Microsoft pc?
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There is no problem with Mac except it being detected as YPbPr instead of RGB. The EDID override patch forces it to RBG. That's all that is required.
 
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