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thunderbolt slowly becoming the next fw800

oiuh151 said:
Hardly an entry level setup? No ****! If you're going to need the speed of something in RAID 0 then you're not going to want to be using USB 3.0.
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Missing the point mate, you are going to need at least SSD in there and that is only USB 3 speed anyway. SO the only devices that will take advantage of TB will be SSD in raid 0. TB is hardly a consumer offering, while USB 3 would have been great for the average punter. TB is a waste, lets hope for a USB adapter for TB
 
MH01 said:
Missing the point mate, you are going to need at least SSD in there and that is only USB 3 speed anyway. SO the only devices that will take advantage of TB will be SSD in raid 0. TB is hardly a consumer offering, while USB 3 would have been great for the average punter. TB is a waste, lets hope for a USB adapter for TB
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No, the only devices CURRENTLY that will take advantage of Thunderbolt. The majority of people still have 7200-RPM HDD's, therefore USB 3.0 is just as pointless currently. The future is when these devices are going to matter and that's when Thunderbolt will make USB 3.0 a technology that's only used for low-level peripherals.

Really, Thunderbolt is a waste? Thunderbolt is hardly a consumer product? Something that can be turned into eSata, USB 3.0, Firewire 1600, or any port imaginable that you want on your machine?

Funniest comment I've heard all week.
 
oiuh151 said:
No, the only devices CURRENTLY that will take advantage of Thunderbolt. The majority of people still have 7200-RPM HDD's, therefore USB 3.0 is just as pointless currently. The future is when these devices are going to matter and that's when Thunderbolt will make USB 3.0 a technology that's only used for low-level peripherals.

Really, Thunderbolt is a waste? Thunderbolt is hardly a consumer product? Something that can be turned into eSata, USB 3.0, Firewire 1600, or any port imaginable that you want on your machine?

Funniest comment I've head all week.
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Yeah its a waste..... casue it sitting here right infront of me and I'm stuck with USB 2!!!!!! By the time SSD are the norm in portable HDDs this MBP will have long been replaced. I live in the current world and not the future mate. Right now it freakin useless to me. And if I wanted to take advantage of all its speed and glory, I cannot afford SSD in Raid as storage!, I would put 2x500GB sdd into my MBP first.
 
MH01 said:
Yeah its a waste..... casue it sitting here right infront of me and I'm stuck with USB 2!!!!!! By the time SSD are the norm in portable HDDs this MBP will have long been replaced. I live in the current world and not the future mate. Right now it freakin useless to me. And if I wanted to take advantage of all its speed and glory, I cannot afford SSD in Raid as storage!, I would put 2x500GB sdd into my MBP first.
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Yeah, you live in the current world where your machine has a 7200-RPM HDD that FW800 can take full advantage of.

Maybe you missed the part of my post where there will very shortly be a ton of multiple adapters in which you can turn the port into anything you want? You should be happy your machine even has a Thunderbolt port considering I highly doubt Apple would've put USB 3.0 in their machines before Intel natively supported it. If you need USB 3.0 so badly then buy an adapter when they come out.
 
stefmesman said:
i dont know about you guys, but im slowly getting the feeling as if thunderbolt is becoming the next fw800.

even the adaption of usb3 was faster. thunderbolt release was 4 months ago.

and still there are no TB devices with a set release date.

how do you guys feel about this?
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agree with u.

fw400 is basically phased out...

so will fw800... i have a feeling that apple will never support usb3 and will just go with tbolt.
 
MH01 said:
Interesting comment there, the majority of cameras made these days use sd. It's only the middle tier dslr cameras that use compact flash only, I am referring to canon here. Canons top 1d cameras all have compact flash and sd. Compact flash is the exception here and not sd.
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Like I said .... even the high end units use CF cards.

Go look into why Canon included the SD support in that one camera.

Then ask Canon why they made the 60D an SD only camera.
 
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head honcho 123 said:
my point exactly. (to getz76)
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I do not care about consumer-level products. Do we need humping-dog Thunderbolt thumb-drives at 10Gbps?

What does USB 3 offer over USB 2 outside of storage speed? Does USB 3 offer significant improvements in non-storage USB peripheral, i.e. mice, keyboards, scanners, printers?

For niche professional markets, FireWire 400 is still preferable to USB 3.0. The throughput is not the be-all, end-all. Latency matters in the market FireWire still dominates, which is mobile audio-visual production.

So what besides hard drives gets everyone excited about USB 3.0?
 
Sticking with my 2010 Refurb 2.66 13" MBP with my quiet and quick FW800 drive for now and usb 2.0 because it works well and it will be a while before TB becomes a standard and it will take a while before there will be that many devices, so no I am not impressed, also I went with a 2010 refurb because Apple stopped support Vista and XP which I own, I am not going to buy Windows 7 for the 3 times a year I use Windows.

I think I will wait until the 2013 refresh before buying another Mac, however I am starting to see the light with Lion, that Apple's HW will be very slim and all software will be in the Apps store, I see the MBP's going the way of the MBA's in the future.
 
getz76 said:
I do not care about consumer-level products. Do we need humping-dog Thunderbolt thumb-drives at 10Gbps?

What does USB 3 offer over USB 2 outside of storage speed? Does USB 3 offer significant improvements in non-storage USB peripheral, i.e. mice, keyboards, scanners, printers?

For niche professional markets, FireWire 400 is still preferable to USB 3.0. The throughput is not the be-all, end-all. Latency matters in the market FireWire still dominates, which is mobile audio-visual production.

So what besides hard drives gets everyone excited about USB 3.0?
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Unfortunately the majority of us in the real world do however glad you are happy. :rolleyes:
 
Bluethree said:
Unfortunately the majority of us in the real world do however glad you are happy. :rolleyes:
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I did not realize the majority of users needed a MacBook Pro. If you are buying the machine as a fashion accessory, it is odd that you complain about the performance and features.
 
harcosparky said:
How about the Apple iPhone 4 and Apple Mac Pro ???



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iPhones do not have user-replaceable storage at all. That's also why I didn't include the latest Kindle - though the first gen did.

Never used a Mac Pro - never will, I think it's a ripoff and ugly to boot - but apparently Apple doesn't care to cater to external flash media sources at all, from my read of it. Simply reinforces what I said about consumer devices, which I don't consider the Mac Pro to be.
 
One thing that Apple doesn't understand with its selection of Firewire / Thunderbolt is that most consumers care more about how easy it is to find a peripheral that works with it. It seems almost very un-Apple actually, to care about specs so much you sacrifice usability.


Yes, Firewire has always been a bit faster than USB 2.0 since it came out almost a decade ago. They are so close in speeds however, that I always bought a USB 2.0 external hard drive because I knew I could plug it into my friend's computer, etc.


Now to Thunderbolt. Yes, it seems to perform better than USB 3.0, however, there still aren't any peripherals for it, and once you do get peripherals you run into the same problem Firewire had - not every device has a plug in for it.

As cool as it is to have 10Gbs, right now there is no way I could tell the difference between 5 and 10Gbs, they are both so overpowered for my uses. All that I am noticing with Thunderbolt is that less things plug into it. I could use the USB 3.0 however :D
 
FW800 is good. TB is bad. So TB can't become the "next FW800". In any case it could become the "next USB", if it becomes popular.
 
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