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Can we just go back to CDs and Vinyls!? Sick of these exclusive streaming BS deals & feuds..

Agreed. I understand their appeal though. If your in high school and/or college and are living with a pretty restrictive budget why not just pay $9.99 a month to have access to just about any music you want? It makes sense if you don't already have a large collection of music that you own.

I already had quite a large music collection when streaming became a thing so I've continued to buy just the track I like. It's not like there's so much great new music coming out that I have to spend a ton to keep up. It's actually cheaper for me not to stream. I maybe add 1 or 2 songs a month, if that and I'm not interested in being beholden to Apple to the tune of $9.99 a month to retain new music that I like but I get why people would.
 
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One of the reasons I use Apple Music is its ability to easily integrate both my iTunes and Apple Music libraries. Spotify has a good system too, it's just not as seamless of an experience. If an artist, say Jay-Z, pulls his music from Apple Music.....I can still choose to download the content on the iTunes store (or any non-drm store) to purchase individual songs / albums. I can seamlessly add outside content to my iTunes collection, which is married to my Apple Music collection.

Content being pulled is a non-issue, as long as you realize that streaming services cannot offer "everything", all the time. For $15 a month, my entire family has a HUGE collection of content to access. 99% of what we need is in that $15 service. If I have to buy The Blueprint separately, so be it. It's still a great value. To see people complain on here that streaming services are "bad" need to go back to 1998 when you paid $15 for a crap CD with one or two good songs on it. The value we're getting with streaming services is pretty insane. People could have only have dreamed about a services like Apple Music or Spotify twenty years ago.
 
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I want to support black owned businesses but this move doesn't help his cause. He needs to stop complaining and start competing on the merits of Tidal. I do think there is a market for HiFi music. He just needs to streamline his business to become profitable. Nothing wrong with catering to the higher end of the market. Apple does that. There is nothing saying that Jay-Z can't either.

Jay-Z is actually a really nice guy in person and he looks better than when on TV. I used to work in the same building where he has his office. I left with a really good impression of him.

What does this even remotely have to do with a business being black owned or any race? Last time I checked the Dr Dre album Compton was only available on Apple Music. Is that complaining or no cause it's Apple?

Before Prince died his catalog was only available on Tidal. Each service has some type of exclusive deal with artists.

The whole premise of Apple is pretty much to lock down their devices and such so they only fully work with other Apple products so I just find it laughable that you complain about someone keeping their work in house.
 
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What does this even remotely have to do with a business being black owned or any race? Last time I checked the Dr Dre album Compton was only available on Apple Music. Is that complaining or no cause it's Apple?

Before Prince died his catalog was only available on Tidal. Each service has some type of exclusive deal with artists.

The whole premise of Apple is pretty much to lock down their devices and such so they only fully work with other Apple products so I just find it laughable that you complain about someone keeping their work in house.
I'm not complaining. I'm just stating a fact. I want to support a black owned business but limiting your appeal is not the way to go about gaining support.

Secondly, why is there an Apple Music App for Android (which my roommate uses religiously) if all of Apple Music is locked down to the Apple Ecosystem? Could it be that many Android users also use other Apple products? :confused:
 
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He's a **** rapper anyway. He's decent at business and marketing but his songs are whack.
 
I'm not complaining. I'm just stating a fact. I want to support a black owned business but limiting your appeal is not the way to go about gaining support.

Secondly, why is there an Apple Music App for Android (which my roommate uses religiously) if all of Apple Music is locked down to the Apple Ecosystem? Could it be that many Android users also use other Apple products? :confused:

Who said Apple Music? Apple in general. Let me see you use an Apple Watch with an android. Let me see you use an Android watch, Fitbit, etc with an iOS device and be able to properly interact with the OS.

iPhones use lightening cables, not a standard cable used by every other device. Was the same with 30 pin, FireWire, etc.

Again though what does this have to do with a black owned business? Last time I checked Madonna, Jason Aldean, Chris Martin, etc.. were not black. Do you even google?
 
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Agreed. I also already own his albums and subscribe to Apple Music. Lately I have indeed noticed some random songs that I've downloaded no longer being available. Big flaw in streaming services.

Happened to me recently with Netflix TV shows. I generally keep everything stored locally @ home on my server. Started watching Bob's burgers on Netflix. was on season 3, went last night to watch an episode. It was now showing only seasons 1 & 2. the other 5 are now gone.

That's user hostile yet most people really don't seem to care.."oh well I'll just watch something else"
 



Shawn Carter, known professionally as rapper Jay Z, appears to have removed his entire solo album collection from Apple Music overnight. Now, when searching for "Jay Z" on Apple Music, only songs in which he collaborated with other artists are available to stream on the service in the United States and elsewhere.

Jay-Z.jpg

Jay Z has removed select albums from Apple Music in the past, including Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint series, but this is the first time he has pulled his entire catalog of albums from the service. Only some of his collaborations with Kanye West, Linkin Park, R. Kelly, and Rihanna remain streamable.

Jay Z co-owns Tidal, a rival streaming music service, so his decision to remove his discography from Apple Music could be for competitive reasons. Kanye West, another stakeholder in Tidal, also implied that there might be some animosity between Apple and Jay Z in a series of tweets last year.

Jay Z's albums appear to have been removed from Spotify recently as well, so his decision might be unrelated to any potential feud with Apple. Spotify on Twitter today said it can "confirm that some of Jay Z's catalogue has been removed at the request of the artist," but it did not provide a specific reason.

Jay Z's albums are still available for purchase on iTunes, and to stream on smaller services such as Google Play Music, at least for the time being. By contrast, Jay Z's wife Beyoncé still offers a large number of her songs and albums on Apple Music, including her recently added single "Die With You."

Tidal's other stakeholders, including Kanye West, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Daft Punk, Jack White, Madonna, Arcade Fire, Alicia Keys, Usher, and Calvin Harris, also continue to offer many of their songs and albums on Apple Music.

Tidal costs $9.99 per month, the same price as Apple Music, while a premium tier with high-fidelity sound is available for $19.99 per month. Tidal said it had over 3 million subscribers in March 2016, but recent reports have claimed it may have been falsely inflating the number of paying customers it had.

Apple Music had over 20 million subscribers as of last December, while Spotify recently announced it surpassed 50 million paying customers.

Sprint acquired a 33 percent stake in Tidal in January, and at the time it said it would give its customers "unlimited access to exclusive artist content not available anywhere else." Under the deal, artists partnering with Tidal will create music that will only be available to the carrier's customers.

It's unclear at this point if Sprint's stake in Tidal has anything to do with Jay Z's music being removed from Apple Music or Spotify.

Apple and Jay Z's label Roc Nation did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Universal Music Group deferred comment to Roc Nation.

Update: Jay Z's albums have reappeared on Apple Music over the weekend, although the previously absent albums Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint series remain unavailable. It is unclear what prompted the reversal.

Article Link: Tidal Owner Jay Z Has Removed All of His Albums From Apple Music [Updated]
 
I want to support black owned businesses but this move doesn't help his cause. He needs to stop complaining and start competing on the merits of Tidal. I do think there is a market for HiFi music. He just needs to streamline his business to become profitable. Nothing wrong with catering to the higher end of the market. Apple does that. There is nothing saying that Jay-Z can't either.

Jay-Z is actually a really nice guy in person and he looks better than when on TV. I used to work in the same building where he has his office. I left with a really good impression of him.
What about just supporting good businesses? Let people benefit on their own merits as humans and not on the basis of color.
 
Tidal was like Microsoft getting involved in mobile phones after Apple and Android.
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What about just supporting good businesses? Let people benefit on their own merits as humans and not on the basis of color.
Unless it's the Oscars.
 
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And they lived happily ever after. :D

So the moral of this story is if it means Apple will lose money: then complain or remove your wares. They will listen because of that now, but what they do beyond listening is key.

I'd probably give more of a fig about :apple: services if they truly do start to put that love & care back into the tech that sells said services. Hardware and software that meets the needs of the audiences they so desperately want and the audience they already have and should do just as much to keep.
 



Shawn Carter, known professionally as rapper Jay Z, appears to have removed his entire solo album collection from Apple Music overnight. Now, when searching for "Jay Z" on Apple Music, only songs in which he collaborated with other artists are available to stream on the service in the United States and elsewhere.

Jay-Z.jpg

Jay Z has removed select albums from Apple Music in the past, including Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint series, but this is the first time he has pulled his entire catalog of albums from the service. Only some of his collaborations with Kanye West, Linkin Park, R. Kelly, and Rihanna remain streamable.

Jay Z co-owns Tidal, a rival streaming music service, so his decision to remove his discography from Apple Music could be for competitive reasons. Kanye West, another stakeholder in Tidal, also implied that there might be some animosity between Apple and Jay Z in a series of tweets last year.

Jay Z's albums appear to have been removed from Spotify recently as well, so his decision might be unrelated to any potential feud with Apple. Spotify on Twitter today said it can "confirm that some of Jay Z's catalogue has been removed at the request of the artist," but it did not provide a specific reason.

Jay Z's albums are still available for purchase on iTunes, and to stream on smaller services such as Google Play Music, at least for the time being. By contrast, Jay Z's wife Beyoncé still offers a large number of her songs and albums on Apple Music, including her recently added single "Die With You."

Tidal's other stakeholders, including Kanye West, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Daft Punk, Jack White, Madonna, Arcade Fire, Alicia Keys, Usher, and Calvin Harris, also continue to offer many of their songs and albums on Apple Music.

Tidal costs $9.99 per month, the same price as Apple Music, while a premium tier with high-fidelity sound is available for $19.99 per month. Tidal said it had over 3 million subscribers in March 2016, but recent reports have claimed it may have been falsely inflating the number of paying customers it had.

Apple Music had over 20 million subscribers as of last December, while Spotify recently announced it surpassed 50 million paying customers.

Sprint acquired a 33 percent stake in Tidal in January, and at the time it said it would give its customers "unlimited access to exclusive artist content not available anywhere else." Under the deal, artists partnering with Tidal will create music that will only be available to the carrier's customers.

It's unclear at this point if Sprint's stake in Tidal has anything to do with Jay Z's music being removed from Apple Music or Spotify.

Apple and Jay Z's label Roc Nation did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Universal Music Group deferred comment to Roc Nation.

Update: Jay Z's albums have reappeared on Apple Music over the weekend, although the previously absent albums Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint series remain unavailable. It is unclear what prompted the reversal.

Article Link: Tidal Owner Jay Z Has Removed All of His Albums From Apple Music [Updated]
 
What caused the reversal was that Beyonce found out what happened and said "You did what?!?" And ten minutes later he was back.
 
What? They arn't.

People use the words as synonyms, but that doesn't mean the words are identical.
Entrepreneurs: people who take on greater than normal risks associated with operating a business.
Mogules: entrepreneurs with a lot of influence.

Jay Z is both.

as we can see from the elections and tidal failure
 
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